We'll_live_and_die
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I have no interest in the article but surely it should be a Prism not prison?
'The fans and the city must decide if they can stomach an Otium/Sisu triumphant return to the Ricoh. Of course, Sisu always wanted to acquire the Ricoh for as cheap a price as possible. I said as much in my column a year ago. Acquiring distressed businesses and seeking to turn them round for a profit is what they do. They are less than ideal, their practices do not suggest sustainability. But in the word of international property investment and crazy football finances, neither do any alternatives.
This is what confuses me ...... he suggest Michael should resign from KCIC/NOPM because he doesn't consider the return to the taxpayer, yet then clearly states that they want the Ricoh on the cheap. If we use the argument of the taxpayer the best thing to do now is knock the Ricoh down and sell the land to a property developer or a like. JS wont pay as much for the Ricoh as a property developer would for the land.
Obviously this doesn't help with the whole KCIC campaign, but you cannot use the taxpayer as an argument where there are completely viable alternatives to get money back for the taxpayer.
Because some comments weren't published and personal attacks were made against Les Reid. The first paragraph goes into the whole 'Less Read' idiocy and ends with allusion to the idea that he is supporting JS's points of view. There's a good case for defamation &/or libel and bloggers in general really need to wise up to the reality of publishing laws in the UK.
This is what confuses me ...... he suggest Michael should resign from KCIC/NOPM because he doesn't consider the return to the taxpayer, yet then clearly states that they want the Ricoh on the cheap.
Mr Preston Haskell IV?
I'm not really sure how KCIC or NOPM have any impact on the local taxpayer given that we're playing in Northampton. Surely the only taxpayer that could be potentially losing out are those in Northampton?
I don't think he is saying that they have any impact he is suggesting that they do not consider the taxpayer. Yet he isn't fully considering the taxpayer himself so I don't see how he can use that argument.
That's a very strange argument for him to make and would seem to be against free speach. Implies if you don't agree with a certain side you have no right to voice your opinion. surely some of those who are supporting NOPM / KCIC live locally and are taxpayers and have a right to air their views no matter if you agree with them or not.
This is what confuses me ...... he suggest Michael should resign from KCIC/NOPM because he doesn't consider the return to the taxpayer, yet then clearly states that they want the Ricoh on the cheap. If we use the argument of the taxpayer the best thing to do now is knock the Ricoh down and sell the land to a property developer or a like. JS wont pay as much for the Ricoh as a property developer would for the land.
Obviously this doesn't help with the whole KCIC campaign, but you cannot use the taxpayer as an argument where there are completely viable alternatives to get money back for the taxpayer.
People didn't have a problem with Les reporting on the bumbling of the FL or Fisher's latest gaffs (e.g. Seppala statue) but seem to have got their knickers in a twist because he *gasp* interviewed one of the main protagonists and *bigger gasp* confirmed their suspicions about her opinions and *complete swoon* didn't force her to agree with every single thing her detractors have ever said about her.
spot on.I don't think people have an issue with him interviewing Sepalla or even what she said. Its more the questions that as far as we know weren't asked. People want to know if they were asked and an answer refused and if they weren't asked then why.
Currently getting a lot of criticism from Les Reid for "not printing some comments" and for making "personal attacks" against Les Reid.
I don't think people have an issue with him interviewing Sepalla or even what she said. Its more the questions that as far as we know weren't asked. People want to know if they were asked and an answer refused and if they weren't asked then why.
Again this comes down to how journalism works. From what I can tell, they met for about two hours. How much was on or off the record we don't know. Bear in mind that this was the first interview she's done since 2005 and I'm guessing that Les has spent a fair while trying to get it and would like to get more so there will be a certain element of gamesmanship when it comes to going full bore for the ultimate story.
They covered the new stadium financing, player registrations, selling the club, buying the Ricoh, administration and more. There's only so much you can cover in one interview and in the space allowed and, as I said before, it does seem that some people are pissed off because JS gave answers that they didn't like which is hardly Les's fault.
Some people don't listen though. That kind of explanation has been put up plenty times before, so i guess if you're him, you get tired after a while of people just SHOUTING regardless and hearing what they want to hear!
It would be more cost-effective to sell the land without knocking anything down. Les's piece is about getting CCFC back in the Ricoh and although some stubbornly want to read it as a SISU support piece (because apparently we're all to stupid to deal with differing opinions in a rational manner) it lays out the situation both historically and currently and asks what is the best way forward for the club and the fan base as a whole. There's a big problem for some as it is written by the person who knows more than anyone about this saga than anyone else but poses questions and provides facts that don't fit in with their firmly held opinions.
if that's the case then that's the response Les should give rather than flying off the handle. As I said if he hasn't asked the questions people wanted asked explain why if there's a valid reason such as the one you lay out. Flying off the handle and not responding to anyone that asks him about the questions he hasn't asked makes it look a lot worse than the real situation may be.
I'm not Les so I can't really speak for him. What I am saying is that he's been getting pretty nasty abuse and some unfair criticism for doing his job. As a CCFC fan and sometime KCIC/NOPM protestor I want to know as much as possible and am not going to stick my head in the sand when it comes to opposing or alternative views and, from what I can see, Les is objecting to the 'shoot the messenger' approach of people who don't like to hear alternatives.
The problem with football politics is that certain people approach it with the same mentality as they do supporting their team; this is my side and this is where I will stay for life no matter what. Works well for being a supporter but horrible for having a debate about what's going on behind the scenes.
He is paid to be impartial.
He's not, certainly not!
The media is never 'impartial', the media imparts a viewpoint for people to agree or disagree with. When conducting an interview it's arguably to filter the information given in a readable form...
But then he's done that, and see the abuse he gets for that!
he may as well come out with full-blown opinions!
I'm not missing the point, you're all demanding something which is ludicrous, and shooting the messenger for no reason!
Please tell me how it is ludicrous for a Journalist to ask questions which we want answers to in an interview?
Some people don't listen though. That kind of explanation has been put up plenty times before, so i guess if you're him, you get tired after a while of people just SHOUTING regardless and hearing what they want to hear!
Again doesn't excuse, but does explain.
You're refusing to listen, so I'm out. It's been put up often enough how it works, but it doesn;t seem to suit your agenda to accept not everybody is out to get you.
Some people are just doing their jobs ffs.
The AEHC had signed an HoT with Sisu Capital in June 2012. This was not taken forward by Sisu Capital and no agreement to sell could therefore be reached. There was no request by the AEHC to the Council to sell to Sisu Capital and there was therefore no veto exercised by the Council. What may or may not have been said informally to Seppala by somebody from the Council has not been shared with the AEHC by either the Council or Sisu Capital. It requires a decision by the full Council to agree or veto a sale of the AEHC shares in ACL, and for that matter the sale of the Council's shares similarly requires a decision of the Trustees of the AEHC.
Cheshire:
The post that you quoted contains nothing new. I was merely repeating what I have said on a number of occasions. You ask whether Les knew it: I don't know. It depends on how thoroughly he has researched the history of this saga, I suppose. It also depends, I assume, on what he feels is important for people to know as his piece is inevitably limited by space as well as his knowledge and understanding. So, he could have known it because I have said and Fisher has said it. Whether he thought it of any importance is for him to say: presumably not. Presumably it was for this reason that he did not include the statement from ACL that he had requested before his "opinion piece" the previous Friday.
Any time a journalist writes an "opinion piece" it has to be read as just that. This does not devalue the piece it just informs the reader in an open and honest way the stance that the writer has taken. Just as probably everyone would know where Farage is coming from when he talks about Europe, so we know where Les is coming from when he writes about the CCFC/Sisu/Ricoh saga. He would deserve criticism if he tried to pretend that he did not hold such strong views. There is no pretence, he says openly and honestly where he stands.
He's not, certainly not!
The media is never 'impartial', the media imparts a viewpoint for people to agree or disagree with. When conducting an interview it's arguably to filter the information given in a readable form...
But then he's done that, and see the abuse he gets for that!
he may as well come out with full-blown opinions!
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