Precisely the opposite in fact.
If the club remains in admin there is no chance of Holdings / ACL agreeing a deal because ACL will not negotiate directly with Holdings. At the moment CCFC LTD / the administrator is the only party ACL will tak to. LTD has no players, manager etc. It is not a club and would not be granted the golden share in its current state.
If the club is united and taken out of admin by SISU a deal could be struck with ACL as they would then have to recognise SISU as owners again.
At the moment Holdings / SISU is running the club and hold all the cards as they are in the best position to field a team. Despite ACL's PR spin to the contrary.
Uniting the club as quickly as possible provides the best opportunity to negotiate a new Ricoh deal.
I agree there, so long as it isn't under SISU control, because they're the party that have consistently refused to agree deals.
A very clever PR stunt and not much else. If we'd been in admin at the start of the season we were buggered as a ground share couldn't be sanctioned. ACL now say "no problem, you can always play here", but it won't happen cos we'll be out of admin with SISU blundering on with their master plan.
If ACL have bid for CCFC Ltd then they have to show that they are willing to have CCFC Ltd play there. What they have done is put pressure on PA & Football League and at same time take a little wind out of TF's sails. Yes there is PR to it but there is more than that
Can't submit accounts until they come out of administration.
CCFC Ltd is insolvent and auditors cant sign off because of that
The Football League will not award the share until the club (CCFC Ltd) is out of administration. Without the right to play in the FL the "club" is not a going concern and CCFC H has no right to the share as yet (if ever). So the auditors can not sign off those accounts either.
If the auditors cant sign off CCFC Ltd or CCFC H then they can not sign off Otium or SBS&L either because it is a group situation
This company that are conspiring with the council to get rid of SISU. Offer them the chance to play at the Ricoh rent free after offering them 400k rent.
Not to sure Tim's idea of SISU bashing people around court rooms will hold up
It's calling TF's bluff but like you say, also trying to demonstrate that ACL is acting in the best interests of the club.
I sorry mate but where do you get your information from ? Paul Appleton the administrator is running the football club, Fisher is ceo of Holdings, that is not the football club. You will find as i suspect if we kick-off August the 3rd still in administration it will be Appleton and Appleton alone who the football league deal with.
The Judicial Review is about State Aid. As far as I see it, nothing that has happened now would be heard in Court. It blows nothing out of the water.
There's a flip side to that coin, shame SISU/CCFC apparently never asked if the rent could be negotiated until after we got relegated.Shame they hadn't have done something a little fairer back in 2005. Things may not be so desperate now.
Les Reid @Lesreidpolitics 1h #ACL tells me Ricoh rent free offer doesn't exclude Holdings as "would be for administrator to decide."They confirm it's only if co in admin
Lets hope this clears things up!....ACL are NOT making this offer only for Ltd.
It has been said numerous times, including from Fisher that the FL will only deal with Appleton whilst the club is in administration that's it, nothing more to look into. I think it is the law.I get my information the same place as everyone else. The difference is that I take it all in, assess it objectively and present a balanced view based on the facts.
I don't just read everything and go straight to SISU / ACL are
Evil mode.
The problem is 90% of football fans and the public (like you) would have difficulty following this situation. If you can't fully understand and objectively process information, maybe you should not say anything rather than posting pointless replies.
There's a flip side to that coin, shame SISU/CCFC apparently never asked if the rent could be negotiated until after we got relegated.
No but they ARE only making it while the club remains in administration!
This is where it gets confusing, who is the offer made to, i think it is Appleton he is who is running ccfc ltd as he did at the back end of last season when he drew up an agreement to play the last three home games at the Ricoh, sisu can only get involved if/when they get control of ltd and they might, but to do that apart from anything else they have to satisfy the FL they have a ground which at the moment they haven't and ths is where things get interesting. The only realistic ground they can have is the Ricoh but the wording from acl is whilst ltd is in admin. So if sisu get control back they are back into a rent agreement saga.So we can play at the Ricoh for free? Sounds good and looking at all my mates who have E-Mailed, text and called me to let me know about it while I was busy with work when the story was released you have to say that this DOES NOT really put CCFC in better circumstances to which we were last season.. On this basis I think SISU would reject the idea, but it must come down to the decision via PA, if SISU do reject this offer then there will be eyebrows raised. There are pros and cons on both sides of this story..
OSB ,will the audit take an eternity given that the company has undergone a Yin/Yan transformation? Also would there be a cogent reason that Otium flashed up briefly in the companies house horror list .
This is where it gets confusing, who is the offer made to, i think it is Appleton he is who is running ccfc ltd as he did at the back end of last season when he drew up an agreement to play the last three home games at the Ricoh, sisu can only get involved if/when they get control of ltd and they might, but to do that apart from anything else they have to satisfy the FL they have a ground which at the moment they haven't and ths is where things get interesting. The only realistic ground they can have is the Ricoh but the wording from acl is whilst ltd is in admin. So if sisu get control back they are back into a rent agreement saga.
The millstone gets heavier and heavier.
I agree, which is why I blame both parties much to the annoyance of some on here.
As I said the decision must come down to PA (Paul Appleton) or Michael Appleton as he is known by Stuart LinnelAs the administrator of Ltd he is the only one who can make this decision. If SISU get the hands on Ltd after the first game has kicked off do they move the whole club after the fixtures have been agreed and confirmed? Probably not. What then if this agreement is only for while CCFC is Ltd is Admin? If it is an agreement that is only in place for while they are in Admin ACL have SISU by the balls frankly.
It's all a tactical game of Chess each player with a daunting move, putting pressure on the other party to make the slip, at this moment in time ACL are winning, but I have said before SISU won't crawl under a rock and let this go..
they could have owned the Stadium in 2005 when they first took over but Onye ripped up the contract and said sisu didnt need to buy it until were in the premier league!!Shame they hadn't have done something a little fairer back in 2005. Things may not be so desperate now.
If it brings them a position of strength who knows ,but we have to recognise this is a solution to SISU's problem, they currently have no prospect of moving forward on any level at least as far football goes .their business plans are absolutely precarious ,on the verge of hanging themselves .I seriously doubt there is one option of their own that will produce a ground and therefore satisfaction for the league to permit CCFC's continuance in the FL. However you wish to dress it this is a benign gesture to the team and the fans.
Just a thought nothing more ......
what if TF was planning to have used the feed back from the forums to say
"I have listened to the fans, I have approached ACL to discuss playing at the Ricoh" .......... kind of puts the pressure on ACL to talk to CCFC H even while CCFC Ltd in admin. Fans reaction would certainly support TF doing that wouldnt it? ACL would practically have to give it away on TF's terms.
Instead ACL have got in first ....... said yes you can use it but it has to be arranged through the administrator (who currently controls the rights to use the pitch)............ makes ACL look like the ones trying to keep the team in Coventry, puts TF in a weaker position. If he turns down talks he loses more fans faith. If whilst in office PA refuses to be involved it is him stopping the club playing at the Ricoh not ACL
It also says to the FL that the club are not being forced out by ACL
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