Albany Meeting ? (38 Viewers)

ceetee said:

The Ricoh is too big for a L1 club on all but a few games each season.
A reformed club is likely to have to start at non-league level so why would they want to play at the Ricoh?

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Firstly, it's not really just about if we have to reform, we also need to consider the impact it could have whether the club does or doesn't fold. That could be under Sisu or under new owners. The fact is, Wasps own the stadium whether we like it or not so pissing them off isn't really constructive for the future. Going nuclear on any party, be it Sisu, Wasps or the council, really doesn't work. Constructive conversation outlining just how much it could impact them as well as us is likely to be far more productive. You can be critical without screaming about them not being welcome. When has that approach ever solved anything?

Nick said:

Why's that then? Is it because there are a fair few dozen constructive comments and pointing out what the Trust could do better?

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Because it's too late to have any influence on our present situation

mark82 said:

No, they can pressure them on the deal (or lack thereof), all I'm saying is it would be short sighted and counterproductive for them to completely renounce Wasps presence. Like it or not, whatever form the club is in going forward, we need their co-operation. As Liquid Gold says, you have to start off with the gentler approach.

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Well wasps and the trust could of course want the club to fold so they can start again - why would anyone watch a team at a ground owned by the very people who helped cause the real club to cease to exist?

mark82 said:

Firstly, it's not really just about if we have to reform, we also need to consider the impact it could have whether the club doesn't fold. That could be under Sisu or under new owners. The fact is, Wasps own the stadium whether we like it or not so pissing them off isn't really constructive for the future. Going nuclear on any party, be it Sisu, Wasps or the council, really doesn't work. Constructive conversation outlining just how much it could impact them as well as us is likely to be far more productive. You can be critical without screaming about them not being welcome. When has that approach ever solved anything?

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So how does it look when they go nuclear on SISU (and fair enough!) but completely ignore the others, have secret meetings and hint that a new club could play there?

It's just a tiny bit suspicious, especially when there is previous of the same thing.

Staying quiet in terms Coventry City and letting Wasps get away with things to benefit a potential new club and themselves would backfire for them massively. If that happened it would be a massive mistake for them, I am sure a fair few people would make sure they knew it was a mistake as well.

SkyBlueZack said:

Reformed club playing at the Ricoh in a league lower than the conference? What on earth goes through people’s heads? If we didn’t think CCFC should have moved to Northampton, we should also think the same of wasps? They need to be aware having been through our club moving, we don’t agree with theirs moving.

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Frankly, we don't know what the repercussions would be if we were liquidated. It hasn't happened in a long time and there are no hard & fast rules. Usual drop when this happens in non-league seems to be 2 divisions, but each case is judged on its own merit.

My comment wasn't really about only if we were liquidated anyway (and I appreciate I used that example), so kind of besides the point.

sky blue john said:

Hello!
Can anyone join in?

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The old guard is out

Nick said:

So how does it look when they go nuclear on SISU (and fair enough!) but completely ignore the others, have secret meetings and hint that a new club could play there?

It's just a tiny bit suspicious, especially when there is previous of the same thing.

Staying quiet in terms Coventry City and letting Wasps get away with things to benefit a potential new club and themselves would backfire for them massively. If that happened it would be a massive mistake for them, I am sure a fair few people would make sure they knew it was a mistake as well.

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It doesn't work against Sisu, so why would it work against anyone else. I don't really care about what has or hasn't happened already, I care about us existing next year and having a ground to play in. I'd rather they did something that was more likely to get results than do something just to even things up.

Nick said:

Why's that then? Is it because there are a fair few dozen constructive comments and pointing out what the Trust could do better?

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Well that's bollocks for a start. That would suggest there's more than one each page.... :emoji_smiley:

Now, if you were talking insulting and condescending comments... then there'd be well over that, and that's just from you..!!

mark82 said:

It doesn't work against Sisu, so why would it work against anyone else. I don't really care about what has or hasn't happened already, I care about us existing next year and having a ground to play in. I'd rather they did something that was more likely to get results than do something just to even things up.

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Saying nothing at all to Wasps in case they upset a plan about a new club the Trust want to start isn't something that would be getting results.

olderskyblue said:

Well that's bollocks for a start. That would suggest there's more than one each page.... :emoji_smiley:

Now, if you were talking insulting and condescending comments... then there'd be well over that, and that's just from you..!!

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Oh there are a lot of constructive posts throughout the thread.

The insults and condescending comments are mainly aimed at people who have no interest in posting about the topic but just try to talk shite because people are getting a bit close to the bone. Surely you see how obvious that is? It really isn't my fault people seem to have an issue with reading and understanding things before posting.

Nick said:

Oh there are a lot of constructive posts throughout the thread.

The insults and condescending comments are mainly aimed at people who have no interest in posting about the topic but just try to talk shite because people are getting a bit close to the bone. Surely you see how obvious that is? It really isn't my fault people seem to have an issue with reading and understanding things before posting.

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And I also see how, as usual, you cant let them go without insults or trying to belittle people. You were all over the Johnson article, when in reality, most of it was factual. You kept going on and on about him not going to the games, and that his reasoning doesn't exist, f*** all to do with the article. You start throwing in all the stuff about multiple accounts, f*** all to do with the article. I only read about him on here, so couldn't care less about other social media. You made the issue much bigger than it was, don't you see that?

You've become a grendel "mini me"

olderskyblue said:

And I also see how, as usual, you cant let them go without insults or trying to belittle people. You were all over the Johnson article, when in reality, most of it was factual. You kept going on and on about him not going to the games, and that his reasoning doesn't exist, f*** all to do with the article. You start throwing in all the stuff about multiple accounts, f*** all to do with the article. I only read about him on here, so couldn't care less about other social media. You made the issue much bigger than it was, don't you see that?

You've become a grendel "mini me"

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It not much bigger than losing the club and my opinion is Johnson and his merry chums see a dewy eyed future of a Pheonix Club at the Ricoh.

This was obvious when Haskell was lumbering around - it was blindingly obvious he wasn’t interested and that even if he was the club was ringfenced by the current owners.

The article was long and tiresome so I only read a couple of sections and I’ve pointed out inaccuracies and deliberate misdirection

olderskyblue said:

And I also see how, as usual, you cant let them go without insults or trying to belittle people. You were all over the Johnson article, when in reality, most of it was factual. You kept going on and on about him not going to the games, and that his reasoning doesn't exist, f*** all to do with the article. You start throwing in all the stuff about multiple accounts, f*** all to do with the article. I only read about him on here, so couldn't care less about other social media. You made the issue much bigger than it was, don't you see that?

You've become a grendel "mini me"

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Or I am just pointing out what they are trying to do? You wouldn't be trying to do the same would you? It seems as if you haven't really read the thread, if you had you would probably see some of the actual insults

Yes, I pointed out Johnson's agenda as well. I didn't say things weren't factual, I said things were missing.

What's your point exactly? Unless it is to just try and get the attention away from the topic?

Grendel said:

Well wasps and the trust could of course want the club to fold so they can start again - why would anyone watch a team at a ground owned by the very people who helped cause the real club to cease to exist?

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I'm not sure anyone really wants that.

mark82 said:

I'm not sure anyone really wants that.

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I’m pretty sure some do

Surefire sign this conversation has jumped the shark is when it gets into petty personality war shite about who’s mate met with whose mate. Red string conspiracy bollocks made to make people feel special. Fucking yawn.

For too many it stopped being about CCFC a while ago and is just about which people they like or making out they’re in the know. Boring schoolyard bollocks.

As it's always been, it’s down to the inside of two hedge fund owners brains and not one of us has a clue as to what’s in there or an influence over it. No ones going to secretly start a club FFS, Sisu won’t sell unless they want to, the council can’t do shit and NOONE GIVES A FUCK ABOUT OUR OPINION.

Off for a lie down.

mark82 said:

I'm not sure anyone really wants that.

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The longer it goes that certain parties say nothing to Wasps the more it will look that way. Even more so when Johnson slips up about the new club being able to play at the Ricoh and then they try and hide it away

Again, look what happened with Haskell.

Sky Blues Trust: Haskell plans 'sound and realistic'

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It turned out he couldn't afford it anyway

The Coventry Telegraph can confirm that the American, who has a fortune estimated at $250million (£157m), is being lined up by Ricoh Arena owners ACL to take over the football club.

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However, although ACL have seized the initiative to force a change of ownership

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Potential American investors have been to the Ricoh Arena on two occasions, one being last week’s Colchester game, and understood to have been given a tour by ACL interim chief executive Jacky Isaac.

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His plans include the return of suspended life president Joe Elliott as chairman and bringing The Sky Blue Trust onto a restructured board by offering the supporters’ body a 20% stake in their club.

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Let's not fuck about, it's pretty much the same thing playing out but with Wasps instead of ACL.

There we have both the Trust and ACL complicit in it. They just hadn't predicted what the outcome was.

mark82 said:

Firstly, it's not really just about if we have to reform, we also need to consider the impact it could have whether the club doesn't fold. That could be under Sisu or under new owners. The fact is, Wasps own the stadium whether we like it or not so pissing them off isn't really constructive for the future. Going nuclear on any party, be it Sisu, Wasps or the council, really doesn't work. Constructive conversation outlining just how much it could impact them as well as us is likely to be far more productive. You can be critical without screaming about them not being welcome. When has that approach ever solved anything?

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Someone suggested an outline - start like they did.

Thing is we’ve effectively trying to be pally with wasps. They’re kicking us out at the end of the season

Let’s make them think twice. If the trust renounces their present - it could turn a large part of the city’s sporting fan base against them.

The trust’s silence is deafening, why won’t they renounce a franchise. Something they criticise MK Dons for and our move to Northampton

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:

Someone suggested an outline - start like they did.

Thing is we’ve effectively trying to be pally with wasps. They’re kicking us out at the end of the season

Let’s make them think twice. If the trust renounces their present - it could turn a large part of the city’s sporting fan base against them.

The trust’s silence is deafening, why won’t they renounce a franchise. Something they criticise MK Dons for and our move to Northampton

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It's not even so much that, it's the fact they went to the National Press to do a positive PR piece for Wasps when they moved here.

It's the secret meetings with Wasps and the Council as well. It's the way things like "a new club could play at the Ricoh" slips out when people aren't thinking.

Sky blues trust, representatives of Sisu out, Coventry city council and the wasps.

Anyone but the football club.

sky blue john said:

Hello!
Can anyone join in?

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Conversation must be getting too critical towards CCC and Wasps. Deflection is the name of the game.

Also stop the conversation about a reformed club... I couldn’t give a shit if another club could play at the Ricoh.

If CCFC fold, that’s it done no more football team. The trust won’t have a purpose, so what do they lose for renouncing a franchise

sounds like a couple of members of the trust - including one on here who last season said he wasnt going back to the Ricoh as we were in League 2 = Want to decide what the 6000 who stuck by the club actually want

Coventry city playing in Coventry
not AFC or anything else

Do the they trust not think if we can see something like that as strangely obvious if thats the case that sisu wouldn't?

Maybe that's why the talks with ccc and wasps are strictly confidential so they can't be dragged up in court. Makes perfect sense after it was last time.

Will anybody disprove any of it or just hope that particular people can cover it up? People aren't thick, it can be seen and predicted a mile off.

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:

Also stop the conversation about a reformed club... I couldn’t give a shit if another club could play at the Ricoh.

If CCFC fold, that’s it done no more football team. The trust won’t have a purpose, so what do they lose for renouncing a franchise

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Because, funnily, it's not just about what you would or wouldn't do. There are others that would still follow CCFC. No-one wants it to happen but the whole point of a trust is to plan for every eventuality to make sure the club is kept alive. Yes they should be pressuring Wasps but it needs to be done in the right way.

It's about doing the right thing to get a new deal at the Ricoh for next season, nothing more and nothing less at the moment. How do you think renouncing Wasps will help exactly? If people already go it won't stop them. It might make them think we are going to be more trouble than its worth. You don't get anything done by going straight for the extreme option. You are far more likely to get the result you want by working with them rather than against them.

mark82 said:

Because, funnily, it's not just about what you would or wouldn't do. There are others that would still follow CCFC. No-one wants it to happen but the whole point of a trust is to plan for every eventuality to make sure the club is kept alive. Yes they should be pressuring Wasps but it needs to be done in the right way.

It's about doing the right thing to get a new deal at the Ricoh for next season, nothing more and nothing less at the moment. How do you think renouncing Wasps will help exactly? If people already go it won't stop them. It might make them think we are going to be more trouble than its worth. You don't get anything done by going straight for the extreme option. You are far more likely to get the result you want by working with them rather than against them.

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Without it ending up in the same discussion about a new club, the Trust shouldn't behave differently towards Wasps based on a promise or a conversation about where a new team would play, that's not putting CCFC first is it?

Wasps need to be pressured, as do CCC and of course SISU. The first 2 won't be, we are hearing they are under pressure but it's in a secret meeting that nobody knows about to be able to see. Wasps have a weak spot for negative PR, they need to be able to build a base in Coventry so need the people of Coventry on their side.

How do you suggest CCFC fans work with Wasps rather than against them? Is a press release in a national paper bigging up their move not enough? Is being shit scared to say anything against them not enough? There isn't going to be an "extreme option" as there isn't even going to be a "soft option" from the start.

Let's not forget this is about CCFC first and foremost, it isn't about a new club that people are thinking about already by the looks of it.

mark82 said:

Because, funnily, it's not just about what you would or wouldn't do. There are others that would still follow CCFC. No-one wants it to happen but the whole point of a trust is to plan for every eventuality to make sure the club is kept alive. Yes they should be pressuring Wasps but it needs to be done in the right way.

It's about doing the right thing to get a new deal at the Ricoh for next season, nothing more and nothing less at the moment. How do you think renouncing Wasps will help exactly? If people already go it won't stop them. It might make them think we are going to be more trouble than its worth. You don't get anything done by going straight for the extreme option. You are far more likely to get the result you want by working with them rather than against them.

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I don't think we have to work with them...just treat them with a casual indifference.

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wasps need to know the city will never forgive them and their shit rugby club will never blossom here if they dont help ccfc

Thank you for all your kind wishes.
I've already come to terms with the CCFC issues we have no control over. I'm happy to leave all that boring shit upto Sisu, Council and Wasps.

I just wanted to find out if we are keeping Stockdale?

sky blue john said:

Thank you for all your kind wishes.
I've already come to terms with the CCFC issues we have no control over. I'm happy to leave all that boring shit upto Sisu, Council and Wasps.

I just wanted to find out if we are keeping Stockdale?

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Post it in the Stockdale thread then.

Another fine example of what I have been pointing out.

Nick said:

Post it in the Stockdale thread then.

Another fine example of what I have been pointing out.

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Hi friend,
Has so much changed whilst I've been away that all threads religiously stay on topic now.

sky blue john said:

Hi friend,
Has so much changed whilst I've been away that all threads religiously stay on topic now.

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It looks that way doesn't it?

Add another one to the previous list of twats with no interest in CCFC that play dumb in threads.

mark82 said:

How do you think renouncing Wasps will help exactly?

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It is relevant presently as we are in a position where we might shortly have no choice but to ask to play outside the city. No doubt at this point there will be condemnation from the Trust as there was when we were in Northampton. They're not going to make a very convincing argument when all Fisher has to say is 'where is you similar condemnation of Wasps permanent move'.

chiefdave said:

It is relevant presently as we are in a position where we might shortly have no choice but to ask to play outside the city. No doubt at this point there will be condemnation from the Trust as there was when we were in Northampton. They're not going to make a very convincing argument when all Fisher has to say is 'where is you similar condemnation of Wasps permanent move'.

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Or even worse.

The same as the Haskell saga when it didn't go to plan.

If I was fan of another club coming on here for the first time, looking at opinions and read this thread, I would conclude that the biggest threat to the future of Coventry City is the Sky Blue Trust. So much anger and vitriol aimed at a small group of City fans. Far more anger in fact, than is aimed at the main threat to our future which is Sisu. It is funny but the small cartel on here who constantly snipe at the Trust all say, ”Yes, we all hate Sisu, but what about Wasps, CCC and the Trust.” There is a small acknowledgement that, yes, perhaps Fisher and friends haven’t really had the club’s best interests at heart,but never mind them what about everyone else?. The anger and hatred from the small group of 5 or 6 that keep attacking the Trust is in marked contrast to anything that they ever say about Sisu whose contribution to our demise is passed over with the glib comment, “Well yes, we all hate Sisu but what about....”
A lot is hinted about agendas, and why certain people pop up at a particular time to push this agenda or that agenda. I wonder why the Trust are such an agenda for the usual crew. After all, they are not a threat to the club. Sisu, however, who are the root cause of the predicament we are in and whose actions have brought Wasps into this story and forced CCC to act in the way they have, do not produce even a flicker of anger in comparison. ( that, by the way, is not me excusing Wasps, who are a franchise club and who shouldn’t be here, or CCC who seem to have
abandoned CCFC to their fate. Ultimately it is Sisu who have got them involved and made them such a negative influence on our future).
Surely it couldn’t be that our friends on here want to turn attention away from the real culprits of our problem by making the Trust out to be the real villains? Is that perhaps their agenda? Rather than spending so much time pointing out the shortcomings of the Trust, why not actually organise yourselves something that you think will help in this predicament. I don’t mean tell someone else to do it, you organise it, you do it. If you are convinced you have some answers, publicise and I am sure some of us would join in if we felt it would make a difference.
Let’’s be clear, if the Trust folded tomorrow and ceased to exist, (seeing the hatred towards them from a few on here, I wouldn’t blame the board members if they did give up), the very real problems that CCFC face, the threat to the actual existence of our club would still be here. The Trust are trying to do something, it may not be great, it may not affect the outcome, but they are at least trying. If they disappeared would their small group of detractors on here put their own ideas into action? It would be interesting to see. I wouldn’t hold my breath. I now await the usual response when ever they are asked what they are doing.