Allowing the opposition to walk the ball in to redress the balance (1 Viewer)

Otis · Mar 13, 2016

Football League: Four things you may have missed, plus some non-league drama - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35678750

The story here is that play stopped for an injury to an opposition player and play was stopped. When play restarted the other team's player went to kick the ball back to the opposition keeper to give the opposition the ball back, but the ball went in the goal by mistake. Goal was awarded but then the opposition were then expecting to be allowed to walk in a goal at the other end to 'correct' the error. This did not happen.

What should the stance be? The team who scored say the opposition keeper deliberately let the ball go in.

Surely as there is no unwritten law and it is open to interpretation in the same way that stopping for an injury is.

Nick · Mar 13, 2016

Why would the keeper let it in? His fault

Otis · Mar 13, 2016

Nick said:
Why would the keeper let it in? His fault

Well that's what the team who scored are arguing, that he deliberatly let the ball in the net. Why would he do that?

Manager Danny Cowley called this goal “the worst thing he had seen on a football field”. The controversial goal meant his Braintree team were pegged back to draw 1-1 at Guiseley in the National League.
After Braintree had kicked the ball out so one of their players could receive treatment for an injury, Guiseley’s Oliver Norburn re-started by kicking the ball over the Braintree goalkeeper’s head and into the net.

Guiseley then refused to let Braintree walk in a goal at the other end to make amends for the mistake.

Otis · Mar 13, 2016

[video=youtube;J_lHoD7AAbk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_lHoD7AAbk[/video]

SkyblueBazza · Mar 13, 2016

Lol...that IS funny! The poor keeper...he didn't 'let' it into the net...looked to me like he was standing on the edge of the box awaiting the pass...but geezer just couldn't resist it could he? Lol

...onwards & upwards PUSB

Otis · Mar 13, 2016

Don't think it was deliberate, but I don't see the keeper letting the ball into the net either.

Don't see how anyone can argue that isn't a legitimate goal. I wouldn't be expecting City to 'let' the opposition score at the other end to even things out of that was us.

Grendel · Mar 13, 2016

Otis said:
Don't think it was deliberate, but I don't see the keeper letting the ball into the net either.

Don't see how anyone can argue that isn't a legitimate goal. I wouldn't be expecting City to 'let' the opposition score at the other end to even things out of that was us.

I would.

Happened on day one of the season when Leon Clarke was allowed to do it

stupot07 · Mar 13, 2016

Grendel said:
I would.

Happened on day one of the season when Leon Clarke was allowed to do it

Me too.

Didn't reading do it a couple of years ago too?

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I_Saw_Shaw_Score · Mar 13, 2016

Grendel said:
I would.

Happened on day one of the season when Leon Clarke was allowed to do it

Had Both teams to score in my bet as well Donny v Bury 0-0 90th min

With that all happening 1-1 full time!

I'm all for it!

The Prefect · Mar 13, 2016

Similar scenario happened in a Yeovil game a few years ago.

Lee Johnson hoofed the ball back following opposition kicking the ball out to allow treatment to a player.

In that game Gary Johnson (then manager) allowed a walk-in goal to redress the balance.

That's the sporting way.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Mar 14, 2016

Guiseley boss Mark Bower told BBC Radio Leeds: "The goalkeeper stood there with his arms in the air and allowed the ball to go in to the net.

Absolute horseshit, he was clearly holding his arm aloft signalling for the opposition to player to pass him the ball and the player kicked it way over his head out of reach. Commentators are talking crap as well trying to justify it.

Shameful behaviour from all involved at Guiseley

Otis · Mar 14, 2016

Grendel said:
I would.

Happened on day one of the season when Leon Clarke was allowed to do it

I would in many a circumstance, but not in this.

If the player had taken a deliberate pot shot at goal then as a manager and team I would be expecting them to tick the player off and redress the balance, but not in this one.

I don't think the keeper deliberately let the ball in, but at the same time he did very little at all to try and collect the ball.

lifeskyblue · Mar 14, 2016

It might stop the nonsense of kicking a ball out of play when a player writhes around as if shot only to get up a minute later as if Nothinghad happened. Hopefully teams now will only kick a ball out for their player not the opposition. Anything deemed serious the ref can still call for a drop ball

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Deleted member 5849 · Mar 14, 2016

Otis said:
I don't think the keeper deliberately let the ball in, but at the same time he did very little at all to try and collect the ball.

He should have tried harder to grow 15 feet tall.

Covstu · Mar 14, 2016

They should have readdressed the balance there. Not good!

Otis · Mar 14, 2016

Deleted member 5849 said:
He should have tried harder to grow 15 feet tall.

He could have got that NW, I'm sure of it. At least given it a go. At first he makes no movement at all.

I reckon had he really gone for it the opposition would indeed have redressed the balance.

Otis · Mar 14, 2016

Just watched it back again and I am convinced that if he had backed up he would have got it.

You won't find anyone more believing in fair play and doing the right thing than me.

I recall Robbie Fowler when he went down for a penalty against Arsenal and immediately got up and told the ref it wasn't a pen.

I really applauded him for that. Don't think this one is so cut and dried at all.

Could understand if they did redress the balance, but can also understand why they didn't.

It's an unusual one for sure.

Deleted member 5849 · Mar 14, 2016

Otis said:
He could have got that NW, I'm sure of it. At least given it a go. At first he makes no movement at all.

If he had a space hopper or a pogo stick, maybe.

Otis · Mar 14, 2016

Deleted member 5849 said:
If he had a space hopper or a pogo stick, maybe.

Well. I just looked and it doesn't go that far over his head. He's quite a way off his line, so I think he could have back stepped a few paces and reached it.

If that had been a real effort on goal without the restart thing, that would go down as terrible goalkeeping to my mind.

Grendel · Mar 14, 2016

Otis said:
Well. I just looked and it doesn't go that far over his head. He's quite a way off his line, so I think he could have back stepped a few paces and reached it.

If that had been a real effort on goal without the restart thing, that would go down as terrible goalkeeping to my mind.

When a ball is kicked back the protocol is to go away from the goal to avoid this happening.

I've never heard of any incident where this happened and the opposition weren't aloud a goal. What was the arsenal game replayed for?

Otis · Mar 14, 2016

I reckon where it has gone wrong here is well before any chance to redress any balance!

If you look at the video the Braintree players are going crazy with the ref, but by the letter of the law that is a goal. All the arguing and having a go at the ref and the opposition players and the opposition management staff looks to be down to the goal being scored.

Can't see any debate going on their about redressing any balance. It all seems to be boiling over about the goal being scored and given by the ref in the first place.

A bit of bad blood there probably affected the Guiseley team and manager's thinking.

Fact is, the bloke didn't take a shot at goal by the looks of it and it was just a freak. The ref had to give the goal though.

Otis · Mar 14, 2016

Grendel said:
When a ball is kicked back the protocol is to go away from the goal to avoid this happening.

I've never heard of any incident where this happened and the opposition weren't aloud a goal. What was the arsenal game replayed for?

Arsenal game replayed?

Grendel · Mar 14, 2016

Otis said:
Arsenal game replayed?

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/ars-ne-wenger-offers-fa-cup-rematch

Otis · Mar 14, 2016

But that is surely different and has no bearing at all on this game!

Seems from reading that, that Arsenal set out to score. Completely different from this bloke from Guiseley NOT shooting at goal.

And you talk of 'protocols' but I have seen many a game where a player has kicked it directly back to the keeper.

It's a grey area.

They could well have allowed Braintree to score here, but to my mind the bad blood on display might well have had some bearing on the decision not to allow a goal to go in.

The main argument and bad blood at first is over the goal being given.

Grendel · Mar 14, 2016

Otis said:
But that is surely different and has no bearing at all on this game!

Seems from reading that, that Arsenal set out to score. Completely different from this bloke from Guiseley NOT shooting at goal.

And you talk of 'protocols' but I have seen many a game where a player has kicked it directly back to the keeper.

It's a grey area.

They could well have allowed Braintree to score here, but to my mind the bad blood on display might well have had some bearing on the decision not to allow a goal to go in.

The main argument and bad blood at first is over the goal being given.

If it's not protocol name one other game where this incident occurred and the opposition were not allowed to walk the ball into the opponents net. There isn't one and I repeat the guy is supposed to give the ball back to the opponents. It's a disgrace and cheating.

As for claiming the keeper could have got it are you serious? He'd have to have been 50 feet tall.

Your on your own with this one.

Otis · Mar 14, 2016

Don't think so.

50 feet tall? Are you serious?

Grendel · Mar 14, 2016

Otis said:
Don't think so.

50 feet tall? Are you serious?

As NW has said there is no way in a million years he could have got that. He was asking for the ball and it was lobbed over his head.

Anyway if it's a grey area where has this happened before and a walk in wasn't allowed?

If this was our final game this season and it happened to is and the lost point denied a play off place you'd say it's a grey area? Really?

SkyblueBazza · Mar 14, 2016

Otis said:
He could have got that NW, I'm sure of it. At least given it a go. At first he makes no movement at all.

I reckon had he really gone for it the opposition would indeed have redressed the balance.

He was probably expecting a simple lightly weighted pass to deal with not glory hunting lofted ball into the far corner!

...onwards & upwards PUSB

SkyblueBazza · Mar 14, 2016

Otis said:
Well. I just looked and it doesn't go that far over his head. He's quite a way off his line, so I think he could have back stepped a few paces and reached it.

If that had been a real effort on goal without the restart thing, that would go down as terrible goalkeeping to my mind.

In normal 'game' circumstances I would agree. In this situation I would maintain that he stood there expecting a light pass to feet. By the time he is reacting it has become one of those "wtf???" moments & he had no chance!

...onwards & upwards PUSB

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Mar 14, 2016

Otis said:
Just watched it back again and I am convinced that if he had backed up he would have got it.

You won't find anyone more believing in fair play and doing the right thing than me.

I recall Robbie Fowler when he went down for a penalty against Arsenal and immediately got up and told the ref it wasn't a pen.

I really applauded him for that. Don't think this one is so cut and dried at all.

Could understand if they did redress the balance, but can also understand why they didn't.

It's an unusual one for sure.

He was about 15 yards out of his goal, not in a central position and wasn't expecting it. He had no change of getting it

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Mar 14, 2016

Otis said:
Well. I just looked and it doesn't go that far over his head. He's quite a way off his line, so I think he could have back stepped a few paces and reached it.

If that had been a real effort on goal without the restart thing, that would go down as terrible goalkeeping to my mind.

Doesn't go that far over his head

Are you dabbling in some trolling?

SBAndy · Mar 15, 2016

I'm with Otis. If he wanted to, he could have easily got it. Didn't try. More fool him.

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