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skybluesam66 · Mar 25, 2014

i am sick of people saying "we used to be in the top flight for a long time"

Old etonians and Wanderers have several FA cup wins between them ...so what

All i know is that in 43 years of watching city, we have never been in the top 6 of any division

if we assume that over that time, we have been in an average of a 22 team division - the probability of that happening by chance is 885,000 /1

And yes - success is success, which is why we had 30000 against crewe last year in the JPT

so get city back home, and at what ever level we play at - make us competitive

Noggin · Mar 25, 2014

If you include getting promoted as winning a trophy it's alot more possible,

because then you have
premier league winners
3 promoted from the championship
3 promoted from league one
4 promoted from league two
fa cup
league cup
jpt
european competitions.
+ all teams promoted to league 2 from the conference would have of course also won promotion.

still a big percentage though even then.

wingy · Mar 25, 2014

Superb post Sam.

torchomatic · Mar 25, 2014

Noggin said:
If you include getting promoted as winning a trophy it's alot more possible,

because then you have
premier league winners
3 promoted from the championship
3 promoted from league one
4 promoted from league two
fa cup
league cup
jpt
european competitions.
+ all teams promoted to league 2 from the conference would have of course also won promotion.

still a big percentage though even then.

Yeah I suppose so. Still seems a lot of clubs.

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Nick · Mar 25, 2014

Do people support teams because they are successful or do they support teams because that is how they were born and bred? Through thick and thin and all that?

I would love to win cups every year, I am too young to remember the FA cup properly. Would I stop supporting them and start saying I give up if not? Of course not.

torchomatic · Mar 25, 2014

And how about a bit of good news? We are the 28th most successful top flight team! You see it's not all bad news.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/datablog/2013/apr/17/football-league-125-years

torchomatic · Mar 25, 2014

Agree Nick, that's what I said earlier. There's no guarantee of success whoever you support, but if you happen to live in Coventry rather than Manchester or Liverpool then the chances are even slimmer!

Nick said:
Do people support teams because they are successful or do they support teams because that is how they were born and bred? Through thick and thin and all that?

I would love to win cups every year, I am too young to remember the FA cup properly. Would I stop supporting them and start saying I give up if not? Of course not.

spider_ricoh · Mar 25, 2014

Started this thread just to get the answer to a trivia question - who is second after us in lack of top 6 finishes. Didn't mean to directly moan about how crap it is to be a City fan. Although...

Nick · Mar 25, 2014

Are we top in the league of homeless clubs championship?

Noggin · Mar 25, 2014

Nick said:
Do people support teams because they are successful or do they support teams because that is how they were born and bred? Through thick and thin and all that?

I would love to win cups every year, I am too young to remember the FA cup properly. Would I stop supporting them and start saying I give up if not? Of course not.

No one on this forum supports their club for being successful.

the occasional bit of success though brings in new fans and keeps people engaged. Doesn't even need to be proper success, winning the JPT clearly counts.

Grendel · Mar 25, 2014

Noggin said:
No one on this forum supports their club for being successful.

the occasional bit of success though brings in new fans and keeps people engaged. Doesn't even need to be proper success, winning the JPT clearly counts.

Stole city are the longest serving premier club to not get a top 10 finish.

What would their fans want?

Another 10 years in the Premier League?

Or

Relegation but two top 6 finishes in the championship?

stupot07 · Mar 25, 2014

It is a bit of a moot point though. 34 years or whatever in the top flight as a relatively small club the odds on finishing in the top 6 were always going to be very small.

It does make the stat a bit of a sham, as it's almost saying that finishing 6th in league two is better than playing PL football for 34 years.

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hill83 · Mar 25, 2014

It is a shit stat, don't get me wrong.
But it's become another thing for us to moan and state how poor we are. "More tears please, we have had it much worse than anyone else, pass me the tissues."

Get on with it. The current situation is a hell of a lot worse than however many years without a top 6 finish.

stupot07 · Mar 25, 2014

Double post

stupot07 · Mar 25, 2014

Double post

Noggin · Mar 25, 2014

Grendel said:
Stole city are the longest serving premier club to not get a top 10 finish.

What would their fans want?

Another 10 years in the Premier League?

Or

Relegation but two top 6 finishes in the championship?

The former of course, but it's not like you are giving a fair comparison, nore is what they think they want necessarily what would give them the most pleasure and memories.

If there were 2 identical clubs , one had spent 10 years in the premier league always finishing in the bottom half, never getting past the quarter finals of the cups, and the other team had spent 4 years in the premiership, 6 years in the championship and are now in the premiership, this club won the championship twice, also no cup success and twice were promoted via the playoffs over the 10 years. I'm positive the second club would be much better supported and have a much happier fanbase with alot more memories.

Yet despite that the first clubs fans is going to tell you hell no if you ask if they want to get relegated of course.

stupot07 · Mar 25, 2014

Grendel said:
Stole city are the longest serving premier club to not get a top 10 finish.

What would their fans want?

Another 10 years in the Premier League?

Or

Relegation but two top 6 finishes in the championship?

I think we need to aim for promotion next season, get up into the championship, get ourselves relegated, then go for promotion again.

2 promotions in 3 seasons will show the statisticians!! But we'll be getting 25-28k attendances due to the fact we've had some recent success.

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stupot07 · Mar 25, 2014

Double post

stupot07 · Mar 25, 2014

Double post....not sure what's going on here!!! Sorry.

Noggin · Mar 25, 2014

Grendel said:
Stole city are the longest serving premier club to not get a top 10 finish.

What would their fans want?

Another 10 years in the Premier League?

Or

Relegation but two top 6 finishes in the championship?

The former of course, but it's not like you are giving a fair comparison, nore is what they think they want necessarily what would give them the most pleasure and memories.

If there were 2 identical clubs , one had spent 10 years in the premier league always finishing in the bottom half, never getting past the quarter finals of the cups, and the other team had spent 4 years in the premiership, 6 years in the championship and are now in the premiership, this club won the championship twice, also no cup success and twice were promoted via the playoffs over the 10 years. I'm positive the second club would be much better supported and have a much happier fanbase with alot more memories.

Yet despite that the first clubs fans is going to tell you hell no if you ask if they want to get relegated of course.

ccfcway · Mar 25, 2014

Grendel said:
Stole city are the longest serving premier club to not get a top 10 finish.

What would their fans want?

Another 10 years in the Premier League?

Or

Relegation but two top 6 finishes in the championship?

Didnt they get to wembley less than 3 years ago as well ?

Noggin · Mar 25, 2014

stupot07 said:
Double post

you joke but it's almost certainly the case that had the off the field bullshit not happened and we had gotten promoted say through the playoffs back to the championship we'd have bigger average attendances in our next season quite possibly significantly bigger than we had in the previous year in the championship, this would even more be the case had we won the jpt which may well have happened without the off field stuff.

you would never chose relegation of course you wouldn't but it's damage can in many cases be very significantly less than the positives of the successful season it leads to. Of course it's an absolute disaster when it doesn't lead to a successful season.

the forum is crapping out atm, im getting database errors.

stupot07 · Mar 25, 2014

The JPT loss had nothing to do with the off field issues. Poor defending and going gung-ho, getting beat 4-0 in a game we largely dominated is the reason we didn't get the JPT final.

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KG7 · Mar 25, 2014

spider_ricoh said:
Started this thread just to get the answer to a trivia question - who is second after us in lack of top 6 finishes. Didn't mean to directly moan about how crap it is to be a City fan. Although...

Middlesbrough?

Noggin · Mar 25, 2014

stupot07 said:
The JPT loss had nothing to do with the off field issues. Poor defending and going gung-ho, getting beat 4-0 in a game we largely dominated is the reason we didn't get the JPT final.

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quite possibly true but Robbins quite possibly had already decided to leave so without that and without the other off the field stuff it might have been different, or maybe not. Doesn't change my point either way.

Houchens Head · Mar 25, 2014

So, what is the answer to the original question? What team is runner up to us for the longest tome without a top six finish? I've got no idea.

Brighton Sky Blue · Mar 25, 2014

skybluesam66 said:
i am sick of people saying "we used to be in the top flight for a long time"

Old etonians and Wanderers have several FA cup wins between them ...so what

All i know is that in 43 years of watching city, we have never been in the top 6 of any division

if we assume that over that time, we have been in an average of a 22 team division - the probability of that happening by chance is 885,000 /1

And yes - success is success, which is why we had 30000 against crewe last year in the JPT

so get city back home, and at what ever level we play at - make us competitive

Unfortunately league standings aren't determined by some guy rolling dice or hitting a random number generator. It might be how our club has been run though...

Astute · Mar 25, 2014

Nick said:
Are we top in the league of homeless clubs championship?

No, but we must have the proud record of the amount of home grounds in the last ten years. ...with another one planned.......

Brighton Sky Blue · Mar 25, 2014

Astute said:
No, but we must have the proud record of the amount of home grounds in the last ten years. ...with another one planned.......

Brighton rivalling us for that one.

spider_ricoh · Mar 25, 2014

Houchens Head said:
So, what is the answer to the original question? What team is runner up to us for the longest tome without a top six finish? I've got no idea.

Looks like a have got a fun-packed hour or two sitting down on a rainy day to work this out. Watch this space!

skybluesam66 · Mar 25, 2014

spider_ricoh said:
Looks like a have got a fun-packed hour or two sitting down on a rainy day to work this out. Watch this space!

I would guess middlesbrough - you have to go back as far as 1998 to them, so only just over a quarter of a century difference if that is the correct answer

Astute · Mar 25, 2014

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Brighton rivalling us for that one.

Are they planning another one that will be as good as our new one though?

Wheres Wally (and Fergie) · Mar 25, 2014

This is something I looked at a couple of years ago. Middlesbrough are next, without a top six finish since 1998, although they finished 7th in premiership in 2005 and qualified for Europe! Next Portsmouth 2003 (Won the Cup 2008, finalists 2010) then 2004 Plymouth.

Crawley are the only other club in the Football League not to have played in play offs (automatic promotion 2011 & 2012) Exeter, Fleetwood, Oxford, Newport and Wimbledon played in Conference play offs. In the premiership, Arsenal, Villa, Everton, Liverpool, Man Utd and Spurs have never been in play offs (never needed to!) Even Chelsea have appeared in the play offs.

skybluefred · Mar 25, 2014

WestEndAgro said:
An interesting fact is 52 out of 92 league clubs have won a trophy in the last 8 years, just goes to show how barren our sucess has been let alone getting a top 6 finish.

Ah but you forget our collection of wooden spoons.

Grendel · Mar 25, 2014

skybluefred said:
Ah but you forget our collection of wooden spoons.

We've had less relegations than most -.what are you on about?

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