Have the last word, totally miss the point, get bogged down in some minutiae and miss where it's going if it makes you happy.It's pretty obvious, only particular things from the past can be discussed.
You literally made a thread about the Woodlands, the past.
Exactly the same way the Trust operates.
Have the last word, totally miss the point, get bogged down in some minutiae and miss where it's going if it makes you happy.
I just don't think it would prove / disprove, as there are sufficient avenues where both can be 'right'. See Judicial reviews over the years, that required senior judges to become arbiter. That didn't mean within that there weren't juicy bits against CCC (media war etc. was a very interesting approach!) but ultimately somebody higher qualified than us needed to arbitrate. In the meantime... we all debated endlessly who was right and wrong, whereas the reality (as it usually is!) is that all sides could have done more for CCFC. Added in, to extend what shmmeee said, do we need any proof that Wasps are shysters, out for themselves? That was obvious the moment they decided to uproot a club for monetary gain, and at that point it was pretty obvious they'd follow self interest, rather than CCFC interest.I 100% want to know who was bullshitting, because if it was Wasps then that would make it a lot easier to get many more people back on side and help bring the fanbase back together as one, with CCC/ Wasps then a distant memory- instead of all the destructive pro/anti SISU camps we have now. And if its shown that it was SISU bullshitting then.. well I don't know what the implications are but I want to know. I don't understand how people don't want to know, finally, who has been lying to our faces, thats powerful info that can be used.
At the same time, it seems pointless going after people like Goode, achieves nothing, is definitely not going to sway him, and actually makes us look pretty stupid. Endless arguing over irrelevances does nobody any favours, I mean what issues are worth spending time arguing over? I would suggest a way to ask questions about the future/ new ground/ new season etc are important, spending hours debating Andy Goode then disappearing down a rabbit hole of picking apart who said what- complete waste of time.
Seems to me that we should leave the powers that be to prove/ disprove who the 'liar' is, await that with interest, but in the meantime demand that SISU get cracking on the ground- I mean, have SISU said anything at all about the UoW plan or the ground since the statement? I haven't seen anything, all I've seen is the start of a pissing contest. The club will die in a few years if they don't swing into action, so why the fuck spend hours debating stuff we have no control over instead of working out the best way to get SISU to give us some plans, timlines, facts? We have one statement, they've made umpteen statements before that turned out to be bullshit & lies, what we need now is for them to prove they're not the ones lying & get the fucking ground built, and we should be demanding they do that, not worrying about random twitter posts.
Added in, to extend what shmmeee said, do we need any proof that Wasps are shysters, out for themselves? That was obvious the moment they decided to uproot a club for monetary gain, and at that point it was pretty obvious they'd follow self interest, rather than CCFC interest.
I just don't think it would prove / disprove, as there are sufficient avenues where both can be 'right'. See Judicial reviews over the years, that required senior judges to become arbiter. That didn't mean within that there weren't juicy bits against CCC (media war etc. was a very interesting approach!) but ultimately somebody higher qualified than us needed to arbitrate. In the meantime... we all debated endlessly who was right and wrong, whereas the reality (as it usually is!) is that all sides could have done more for CCFC. Added in, to extend what shmmeee said, do we need any proof that Wasps are shysters, out for themselves? That was obvious the moment they decided to uproot a club for monetary gain, and at that point it was pretty obvious they'd follow self interest, rather than CCFC interest.
And if we're going down that path, then we may as well go down all the other paths to prove / disprove narratives beyond this one.
What I think it does do is distract from the stated focus moving forward. I'd argue that that looks like it's the deliberate intention to do that... which fits into previous patterns. The best way to call them all out is to move forward on the thing we all want (a new ground), and then go back and pick over the carcass of the other bits. If SISU /Wasps are lying or not is ultimately irrelevant to getting people onboard with St Andrews, where there's something else that could *really* get people on board, that doesn't require verbal dexterity, it requires bricks and mortar. If we waste time (again) arguing, however, we're another half a dozen years into a build with nothing to see, Warwick Uni have moved on, and we're drawing up a partnership with Sam Rogers Intergalactic Space Travel Agency at the Baginton Thunderdome.
For someone who is supposedly a fan there doesn't seem much mention of the club on this twitter timeline except when he mentions us while defending Wasps.How many games do you reckon he's been to in the last 10 years?
I don’t disagree with any of that, I just want to be able to point out clearly to the boycotters/ protesters/ pro-Wasps fans that “actually, they were lying all along, now what do you think”, which might end up meaning more at games, a more coherent and united voice to hold SISU to account on the ground & consign everything else to the past. The onus is on SISU either way, they’re the ones making accusations and issuing statements about partnerships & stadiums.
For someone who is supposedly a fan there doesn't seem much mention of the club on this twitter timeline except when he mentions us while defending Wasps.
Are there that many boycotters? I'd say no. There are people who don't want to go to St Andrews for various reasons, and I doubt many would be swung by Wasps.I don’t disagree with any of that, I just want to be able to point out clearly to the boycotters/ protesters/ pro-Wasps fans that “actually, they were lying all along, now what do you think”, which might end up meaning more at games, a more coherent and united voice to hold SISU to account on the ground & consign everything else to the past. The onus is on SISU either way, they’re the ones making accusations and issuing statements about partnerships & stadiums.
Yup the new stadium is what’s needed question is will it happenAre there that many boycotters? I'd say no. There are people who don't want to go to St Andrews for various reasons, and I doubt many would be swung by Wasps.
Many, many would be swung by progress on a new ground.
Not sure how this has descended into the usual shitstorm. Seems pretty clear to me.
Andy Goode, who has barely mentioned CCFC before, is suddenly claiming to be a fan, of course we all know he is employed by Wasps.
He has claimed CCFC are suing Wasps and then claimed he has never said CCFC are suing Wasps.
He has said Wasps would never do a deal with CCFC and then blamed the failure to agree a deal on CCFC.
Are there that many boycotters? I'd say no. There are people who don't want to go to St Andrews for various reasons, and I doubt many would be swung by Wasps.
Many, many would be swung by progress on a new ground.
tbf, we've all been arguing for 20 years now, some of us!It’s getting to the point where we need a separate football board because threads like these are taking over...
...and ALL with the same fucking arguments from the same people.
Plus he follows Tucker Carslon and Wayne Lineker on Twitter so he's definitely for watching!
tbf, we've all been arguing for 20 years now, some of us!
Although my role of which side I've been nominated to join, seems to swing...
You may not think you are, but be ready to argue with somebody who tells you you areWell I’m not arguing with anyone (I don’t think?)
Are there that many boycotters? I'd say no. There are people who don't want to go to St Andrews for various reasons, and I doubt many would be swung by Wasps.
Many, many would be swung by progress on a new ground.
What gives you confidence on the honesty?At least Joy & Dave are prepared to meet with our representatives & have so far been open & honest on all things discussed.
What gives you confidence on the honesty?
What gives you confidence on the honesty?
There's not much in there, though, really. There's a bit about the team (separate to this, anyway) a bit about how they can't discuss something, and a bit about timescales (opinion). I've had similar conversations all the way back to McGinnity (between these four walls, was his stock phrase).The meeting Mark & Pete had.
Everything in here has been absolutely truthful so far to the best of our knowledge hasn't it?
Meeting with Joy Seppala & Dave Boddy - Thursday 27th February 2020
Following the statement issued on behalf of this forum in January by Pete Griffiths (@Sky Blue Pete), myself and Pete met with both Joy Seppala and Dave Boddy on Thursday 27th February. We started by sharing some background information on why forum members collectively felt the need to issue...www.skybluestalk.co.uk
I agree FWIW. If they deliver me a 20k (Follow through.
SISU just restarted the clock and only time will tell if they’re honest, or indeed, able to be honest. It’s ONLY ‘different this time because there’s no room for bollox anymore, they will lose everyone if they don’t produce tangible progress.
I want to focus on the future for a fucking change...if there is fact, going to be one.
There's not much in there, though, really. There's a bit about the team (separate to this, anyway) a bit about how they can't discuss something, and a bit about timescales (opinion). I've had similar conversations all the way back to McGinnity (between these four walls, was his stock phrase).
I wouldn't say that evidences either way tbh. It evidences better communication, maybe.
Warwick Uni have moved on, and we're drawing up a partnership with Sam Rogers Intergalactic Space Travel Agency at the Baginton Thunderdome.
My worry is will the spade even happenA spade in the Ground at the University of Warwick will turn everyone and the season tickets will be sold even at St Andrews
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