If the new board are serious with what they want to do (even though the fans don't want what they are suggesting) and maintain championship football, the first act would be removing Thorn as manager,
He never was the answer and never will be, just a good few games and the cheap option!
lmao, no, the first thing they should do is increase the budget, so we can actually have proper competition within the team and being able to field a proper championship team. Only then will we be able to get out of the relegation zone without relying on other teams to enter administration.
....and yes he may or may not be able to spot a player...
I don't think there's any doubt on this one! I think he's proved he certainly can spot players.
okay, so I go to work, and say that i need a powerful computer to do graphics design, my boss tells me they can only afford a computer that can do half the job and if it breaks i can't replace it unless its free and i can't repair it unless its free. When the computer breaks, i cant replace it, my client then moans at me because i didnt do their job, i relate this back to my bosses and they say there is nothing they can do.
WHAT DO I DO?! This is the position thorn is in. some people on this forum just don't get that. Do I believe given the resources Thorn will get us in the top half? No. Not this season, If he's given the resources do I think he can still get us out of the relegation zone? Yes I do.
Our fans are always quick to judge and call for the managers head everytime theres a run of bad form, has happened every season I've supported this club. It's ridiculous, you're as bad as those who were calling for Wengers head at Arsenal.
Cody McDonald proves that point.
Our fans are always quick to judge and call for the managers head everytime theres a run of bad form, has happened every season I've supported this club. It's ridiculous, you're as bad as those who were calling for Wengers head at Arsenal.
Don't think they have been quick Lloyd personally think they have been slow because if there was not the distraction of the sisu protest AT would have been feeling a lot more fan pressure than he has of that I am certain, I have never called for a manager to be sacked and have maintained that players hold responsibility, however results do not lie, this team should have more backbone, more fight, more fire in there bellys and be able to grind and fight for more points than they have got, so who is to blame for that?
Wenger is a differant situation altogether he has been there years and developed some of the greatest young footballers and has Arsenal playing football the way it should be played, so how you can compare a few fans wanting AT to be gone to the gooner fans who wanted arsene's head in my opinion is silly.
Wenger is a differant situation altogether he has been there years and developed some of the greatest young footballers and has Arsenal playing football the way it should be played, so how you can compare a few fans wanting AT to be gone to the gooner fans who wanted arsene's head in my opinion is silly.
okay, so I go to work, and say that i need a powerful computer to do graphics design, my boss tells me they can only afford a computer that can do half the job and if it breaks i can't replace it unless its free and i can't repair it unless its free. When the computer breaks, i cant replace it, my client then moans at me because i didnt do their job, i relate this back to my bosses and they say there is nothing they can do.
Isn't this the only period of his career?
At least managerially :facepalm:
Difference is, before this point you'd have a decent track record in graphics design though right? As opposed to only taking it up for the first time a few weeks before having spent the previous few years finding where to get Photoshop on the cheap for the company.
That's where the question marks over Andy Thorn are justifiably being raised.
Let's look at the bigger picture for a moment instead of just singling out Thorn.
The troubles started way before Thorn took over as manager, why do you think Ranson resigned? Co's he could see what was happening to the club, it was a sinking ship then. We sold Scott Dann and Danny Fox two of the best players to be seen at City for years, he put up with that even thou he advised SISU not to sell them, then they sold Thomas Connor or so he thought to Liverpool.
okay, so I go to work, and say that i need a powerful computer to do graphics design, my boss tells me they can only afford a computer that can do half the job and if it breaks i can't replace it unless its free and i can't repair it unless its free. When the computer breaks, i cant replace it, my client then moans at me because i didnt do their job, i relate this back to my bosses and they say there is nothing they can do.
WHAT DO I DO?! This is the position thorn is in. some people on this forum just don't get that. Do I believe given the resources Thorn will get us in the top half? No. Not this season, If he's given the resources do I think he can still get us out of the relegation zone? Yes I do.
Our fans are always quick to judge and call for the managers head everytime theres a run of bad form, has happened every season I've supported this club. It's ridiculous, you're as bad as those who were calling for Wengers head at Arsenal.
Were not going to get investment though we all know that.
However I have nothing what so ever against Thorn as a person as I do not know him.
Yes changing a manager every year is not the way to get stability in the team again I agree.
However I do not want us to be relegated as I am sure no-one does if you support cov.
That is why I want a change, Try anything to get out of this rut we are in, and if that is by changing the manager so be it, as I have said I have never called for a manager to be sacked and the players need to hold there hands up and take some of the blame, as to what happens on the pitch.
However they are unsackable more's the pity for some of them.
Surely playing a settled team is better than chopping and changing every week lloyd, and yes I agree the bench and team are threadbare and I do not know anyone who would argue with that.
But there is no fight in the team, we are in a relegation battle there is no questioning that, and yet you would have thought that every player would be busting a gut and fighting for the cause, but this does not seem to be happening why?
Surely sisu can not be blamed for there being no fighting spirit in the team, the experianced players should be leading by example and dragging the younger players kicking and screaming until the final whistle.
Our lack of concentration and fitness towards the final quater of an hour is not improving and teams know this, and at the end of a match we will more than likely concede if they put preessure on us as a team, if the team were fighting tooth and nail through out the game then yes they are going to be knackered but there is no team spirit there, I will not hark on about 87 but the reason we won the final was because of the total belief those players had, they fought for everything, they were nowhere near spurs as far as skill was concered but they beat them because of the pure determination they had as a team and were not going to roll over and have there belly's tickled by waddle and the like.
You keep bringing up lack of investment. Yes we all would like millions for the manager to spend but we haven’t so that irrelevant.
What is relevant he can’t get the best out of this crop of players. Were 7 points adrift, for me personally this team should not be 7 points adrift.
Thorn has had over 30 games in charge and the past 10 games his managerial skills have been VERY questionable. In terms of players selection, tactics, post match analysis, comments in the paper, the list is endless.
He has run out ideas already and still persists in this diamond which is clear for all to see isn’t the answer.
Take off you hatred for SISU glasses and purely look at Thorn. What good has he done since been in charge? For the exception of his honeymoon period.
In this analogy does not the employer completely overide the technicians ability too deliver the product regardless of his prior experience ,replace the equiptment for players and in actual fact the managers ability to effect things are overidden as the tacit signal from on high is ,get on with it ,costs are the be all and end all
My own opinion is that Thorn should never have got the job in the first place, and he's proved quite admirably that he is not a manager.
To me its quite simple and my two points on why Thorn has to go are these.
1. Wether you have 11 bad players,11 decent players or 11 great players a manager should get any of those teams to go onto a football pitch and fight,hussle,and show commitment to the cause. Its fairly clear by most on here that Thorn can not get any of these emotions out of his team
2. The style of football is down to the Manager alone, no-one else. I would say 90% of people on here are clearly not happy with the style of constant defensive, sideways and non threatening football. As i say if he feels that we are good enough player wise to survive comfortably, then surely it is down to the style of football not working,again down to one person and one person alone, that we are 7 points adrift of safety, in the first week of december,not even half way through a season, and he is the manager Andy Thorn.
The Rev
statistics are manipulated and very rarely tell the truth in a given situation.
what has AT been given since he was put in charge? Our team were always going to be battling for relegation as soon as we found out that 4 First team players werent going to be here. and those first team players are now playing in the first team of "better" clubs.
You're asking AT to forge a sword and then telling him he doesn't have any metal to work with unless he melts down his armour.
(I'm sorry for all these metaphors, but I feel compelled to).
That's why it's a poor analogy. A talented graphic artist still needs a minimum spec to do his job. A talented manager however could and should avoid throwing away the points we have with the players we have.
There's little to suggest Thorn is a good manager.
it doesn't matter how much talent you've got if you don't have the equipment.
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