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Brighton Sky Blue · Feb 8, 2020

Houchens Head said:
All this shit society started when teachers were told they couldn't use a cane anymore. Police can't lay a finger on the "little darlings" for fear of being accused of god knows what. Parents aren't allowed to slap their kids anymore, without the vile little bastards screaming "abuse"! Bring it all back! Let's have some backbone in our society!

A few years ago I had a particularly feral class. Momentarily I turned my back and someone threw a not inconsiderable object at my head, hit me somewhere near my eye. Logged the incident in full and senior leaders said they would investigate. They found out who did and gave him the almighty penalty of 2 days internal suspension. I didn’t find out who it was, I wasn’t told of his ‘punishment’ and it took the union’s involvement to get the information.

This was at a large comp in Coventry. Left it the same year. If you brought canes back it would likely get nicked and used to assault the teacher.

clint van damme · Feb 8, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
A few years ago I had a particularly feral class. Momentarily I turned my back and someone threw a not inconsiderable object at my head, hit me somewhere near my eye. Logged the incident in full and senior leaders said they would investigate. They found out who did and gave him the almighty penalty of 2 days internal suspension. I didn’t find out who it was, I wasn’t told of his ‘punishment’ and it took the union’s involvement to get the information.

This was at a large comp in Coventry. Left it the same year. If you brought canes back it would likely get nicked and used to assault the teacher.

I was caned routinely at school.
I can honestly say I have seen people jailed for far lesser assaults and without using a weapon.

Brighton Sky Blue · Feb 8, 2020

clint van damme said:
I was caned routinely at school.
I can honestly say I have seen people jailed for far lesser assaults and without using a weapon.

I don’t wish I could hit a child but I do wish I didn’t have to talk courteously to one who is treating me like shit on a shoe. If a teacher tried a cane now they’d probably end up in A+E themselves

clint van damme · Feb 8, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
I don’t wish I could hit a child but I do wish I didn’t have to talk courteously to one who is treating me like shit on a shoe. If a teacher tried a cane now they’d probably end up in A+E themselves

I'm not neccessarily against caning, just find it strange that people have been jailed for a push or a punch yet a grown adult can use his full weight to bring a cane down on an 11 year olds hand and that's acceptable.
From my perspective, I hated detentions because I had far more important things to do like vandalism,fucking about and chasing girls so I just refused to attend them until they eventually caned me which was preferable to having my precious time wasted.

Brighton Sky Blue · Feb 8, 2020

clint van damme said:
I'm not neccessarily against caning, just find it strange that people have been jailed for a push or a punch yet a grown adult can use his full weight to bring a cane down on an 11 year olds hand and that's acceptable.
From my perspective, I hated detentions because I had far more important things to do like vandalism,fucking about and chasing girls so I just refused to attend them until they eventually caned me which was preferable to having my precious time wasted.

Illegal now though? It has gone too far the other way. I can be treated like shit but if I so much as answer back I can be dismissed.

Nick · Feb 8, 2020

Exactly, a lot of them have no respect. What happens when the parents get called? No doubt the parents will give the school hassle that their baby has been told off.

I'd have been petrified if the school phoned my parents.

clint van damme · Feb 8, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Illegal now though? It has gone too far the other way. I can be treated like shit but if I so much as answer back I can be dismissed.

Totally agree.
Thing is, I was a cheeky little c**t and a gobshite. But if/when word got ba k to my parents I faced punishment at home.

I know lots of teachers and it seems to be a thing today that some parents won't accept their kids can be in the wrong.
Some of the worse culprits are from so called decent areas as well.

Brighton Sky Blue · Feb 8, 2020

clint van damme said:
Totally agree.
Thing is, I was a cheeky little c**t and a gobshite. But if/when word got ba k to my parents I faced punishment at home.

I know lots of teachers and it seems to be a thing today that some parents won't accept their kids can be in the wrong.
Some of the worse culprits are from so called decent areas as well.

The chap who assaulted me succeeded in his mum complaining because her son was a little angel (her words). Mind you no longer working there I could whistleblow on the lot of those running it.

clint van damme · Feb 8, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
The chap who assaulted me succeeded in his mum complaining because her son was a little angel (her words). Mind you no longer working there I could whistleblow on the lot of those running it.

It did used to work the other way. I can remover a teacher knocking my mate to the floor. It all got smoothed over and he kept his job.
Was actually a decent bookend I'm glad it didn't go further but I think he just lost it that day.

Astute · Feb 8, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
I said its a combination of things. But parenting is not the most important.

Isn't it?

So I suppose I have been lucky to have 7 kids and none of them have got into trouble. Making sure they knew right from wrong never made a difference. Teaching them to respect their elders doesn't matter. Because bad parents would have had the same chance of having kids that kept out of trouble.

Yeah OK.

I was dragged up in most of the areas mentioned on here. I hung around with those who got in trouble. Most of those who got in trouble came from broken homes. But I was brought up in a single parent household.

Good parenting is very important. Bad parenting is a disaster.

Brighton Sky Blue · Feb 8, 2020

clint van damme said:
It did used to work the other way. I can remover a teacher knocking my mate to the floor. It all got smoothed over and he kept his job.
Was actually a decent bookend I'm glad it didn't go further but I think he just lost it that day.

Yup no denying that either. Would just be nice to do my job without abuse and for those who have anger issues to be kept out of the job.

Ring Of Steel · Feb 8, 2020

Astute said:
Isn't it?

So I suppose I have been lucky to have 7 kids and none of them have got into trouble. Making sure they knew right from wrong never made a difference. Teaching them to respect their elders doesn't matter. Because bad parents would have had the same chance of having kids that kept out of trouble.

Yeah OK.

I was dragged up in most of the areas mentioned on here. I hung around with those who got in trouble. Most of those who got in trouble came from broken homes. But I was brought up in a single parent household.

Good parenting is very important. Bad parenting is a disaster.

Nope, it’s not.

fellatio_Martinez · Feb 8, 2020

clint van damme said:
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it seems to be a thing today that some parents won't accept their kids can be in the wrong.

I think you're definitely onto something there.

I recently witnessed a child repeatedly misbehaving. The kid (6 years old) kept poking the pregnant family dog which was causing the dog great distress. The grandfather who owned the dog calmly told the kid to leave the dog alone about five times but he simply kept going back to the dog while the parents didn't seemed bothered. The grandfather then raised his voice slightly and said "for goodness sake, will you please leave the dog alone!"

The child's father's blood drained from his face as he turned to his father (the grandfather) and loudly said "Do not speak to my child like that!" in front of everyone while his c*nt kid happily carried on pestering the poor dog.

Kid will probably grow up to be a stabber.

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 8, 2020

People look at me strangely when I start chasing the kids who, just a minute earlier, had been chasing pigeons around while laughing uncontrollably...

Nick · Feb 8, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
People look at me strangely when I start chasing the kids who, just a minute earlier, had been chasing pigeons around while laughing uncontrollably...

You are just in your pants though

Brighton Sky Blue · Feb 8, 2020

Nick said:
You are just in your pants though

RedSalmon · Feb 8, 2020

Previously resided inn Sutton Coldfield.

shmmeee · Feb 8, 2020

Nick said:
Exactly, a lot of them have no respect. What happens when the parents get called? No doubt the parents will give the school hassle that their baby has been told off.

I'd have been petrified if the school phoned my parents.

wingy · Feb 8, 2020

Nick said:
Exactly, a lot of them have no respect. What happens when the parents get called? No doubt the parents will give the school hassle that their baby has been told off.

I'd have been petrified if the school phoned my parents.

Agree respect is essential and has disappeared.
Not sure successive governments have done their bit . certainly haven't respected those in the profession ( teaching).

Astute · Feb 8, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
Nope, it’s not.

OK.

If it isn't down to the parents to do the best job they can bringing up their kids whose job is it?

I have a lad that could have become a problem. But I wouldn't allow it to happen.

We moved to a very nice large village where everyone knew everyone. Had a knock on the door. He was drinking in school grounds with older lads. I climbed the fence to get to him. Told him to get home. He looked at the lads then told me to f#ck off. Told.him he had one last chance to get home. One of the lads told me to f#ck off before they beat the sh1t out of me. Should I have walked away?

It helped at the time being 18 and half stone and in good shape. Asked the mouthy one if he fancied swallowing his teeth. When they started to come towards me I asked which.one wanted knocking out first. Pointed to the two biggest saying after giving them a slap the others would just run away. The lad just put his head down and went home. Then.one of the lads said they were only joking.

I am strict but fair. If all parents were strict but fair it would be a lot easier. But we have people like yourself who will blame anyone but the parents.

Ring Of Steel · Feb 8, 2020

Astute said:
OK.

If it isn't down to the parents to do the best job they can bringing up their kids whose job is it?

I have a lad that could have become a problem. But I wouldn't allow it to happen.

We moved to a very nice large village where everyone knew everyone. Had a knock on the door. He was drinking in school grounds with older lads. I climbed the fence to get to him. Told him to get home. He looked at the lads then told me to f#ck off. Told.him he had one last chance to get home. One of the lads told me to f#ck off before they beat the sh1t out of me. Should I have walked away?

It helped at the time being 18 and half stone and in good shape. Asked the mouthy one if he fancied swallowing his teeth. When they started to come towards me I asked which.one wanted knocking out first. Pointed to the two biggest saying after giving them a slap the others would just run away. The lad just put his head down and went home. Then.one of the lads said they were only joking.

I am strict but fair. If all parents were strict but fair it would be a lot easier. But we have people like yourself who will blame anyone but the parents.

I do blame parents. But overall other things can have more of an influence.

Astute · Feb 8, 2020

wingy said:
Agree respect is essential and has disappeared.
Not sure successive governments have done their bit . certainly haven't respected those in the profession ( teaching).

They have taken rights away from teachers. Some parents are animals. Their children can't do wrong. Had to step in a couple of years ago when a child's parents went mental at a teacher on parents night. He then threatened me. That didn't go down well for him. Parents who are bullies bring kids up that are bullies. They see it as a way of life. Not the kids fault. They just have real poor role models.

Astute · Feb 8, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
I do blame parents. But overall other things can have more of an influence.

Can yes.

But you are wrong when you say that the parents don't have a main role. They have the main role. Let the kids do what they want and you could get trouble. Keep them under control and you have a much better chance of bringing up a child to be a well balanced adult.

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 8, 2020

wingy said:
certainly haven't respected those in the profession ( teaching).

tbf you see that here, some morons mouthing off about what an easy job it is - notice they don't choose to do it themselves, mind.

Don't think I've known a teacher who's managed to last until retirement in the profession!

Astute · Feb 8, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
tbf you see that here, some morons mouthing off about what an easy job it is - notice they don't choose to do it themselves, mind.

Don't think I've known a teacher who's managed to last until retirement in the profession!

I always wanted to be either a maths teacher or go into the legal trade. But when I was a teen you either had well off parents or you couldn't go to Uni. I ended up going into mechanical engineering as I could work full time at the same time. When I could afford to train to be a teacher I was earning more than a teacher. And I would have to have studied for years to take a pay cut.

My wife wanted me to do it as she knew hiw much I wanted to. But it just didn't make financial sense.

Brighton Sky Blue · Feb 8, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
tbf you see that here, some morons mouthing off about what an easy job it is - notice they don't choose to do it themselves, mind.

Don't think I've known a teacher who's managed to last until retirement in the profession!

I’ve got another 40 years to go NW. This time of the academic year is just mad and I’m exhausted which with bugs going round doesn’t bode well. Think I’ll move into tutoring when nearing my 60s

clint van damme · Feb 8, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
I’ve got another 40 years to go NW. This time of the academic year is just mad and I’m exhausted which with bugs going round doesn’t bode well. Think I’ll move into tutoring when nearing my 60s

Got 40 years to go myself. But once I turn 95 in going to chill the fuck out

Brighton Sky Blue · Feb 8, 2020

clint van damme said:
Got 40 years to go myself. But once I turn 95 in going to chill the fuck out

Van damn it

Astute · Feb 8, 2020

clint van damme said:
Got 40 years to go myself. But once I turn 95 in going to chill the fuck out

3 years, 2 months and 5 days to go :wideyed:

And not counting :shifty:

Then I move to France. Will be quicker to get to home games then than it is now living where I am. Should end up being one of the longest travelling season ticket holder

ccfcchris · Feb 8, 2020

Corrado said:
Will knife crime ever stop?

Yes if we bring back the death penalty.

eastwoodsdustman · Feb 8, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
I don't think you do.

To say that the parents are totally culpable when there are a whole range of other things going on is massively blinkered. Patronising & pig ignorant too for parents who spend every hour god sends trying to make ends meet.

Making ends meet doesn’t mean you can’t bring your kids up with the correct values. They cost nothing.
Nick has a point. Too many don’t bring their kids up with any discipline, respect for others or respect for themselves. Often they’re too wrapped up in their own lives and leave it to someone else.

shmmeee · Feb 8, 2020

ccfcchris said:
Yes if we bring back the death penalty.

Make literally no difference and costs loads. People don’t consider sentencing when committing violent crimes generally.

The only successful approach has been what Glasgow did.

hill83 · Feb 8, 2020

Astute said:
Can yes.

But you are wrong when you say that the parents don't have a main role. They have the main role. Let the kids do what they want and you could get trouble. Keep them under control and you have a much better chance of bringing up a child to be a well balanced adult.

Similar to you I was brought up in a single parent household, on benefits, knocking about in Hillfields. Got old friends who are in prison now. But with me it was never going to go that route.
My mum had me at 17 and treated me almost as a friend at times but when push came to shove I had full respect for her. Essentially “don’t be a fucking dickhead” was her motto. I never even did the usual drinking in the park nonsense. It helped the fact my auntie is a police officer as well. But yeah, if I had a shit mum who didn’t give a fuck who knows where I’d be now.

hill83 · Feb 8, 2020

Actually as I’m not a complete c**t and I’ve got a conscience I’d probably be alright anyway to be fair.

wingy · Feb 8, 2020

Astute said:
I always wanted to be either a maths teacher or go into the legal trade. But when I was a teen you either had well off parents or you couldn't go to Uni. I ended up going into mechanical engineering as I could work full time at the same time. When I could afford to train to be a teacher I was earning more than a teacher. And I would have to have studied for years to take a pay cut.

My wife wanted me to do it as she knew hiw much I wanted to. But it just didn't make financial sense.

It did astound me to a degree that tradesmen/craftsman of my generation subsequently were able to surpass what teachers achieved by late twenties/thirties.

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