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VegetableSamosa
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Usually they just went to Intro To Political Theory class at Uni, especially the week on Marx which is towards the beginning of the year, liked what they heard and felt all empowered but didn't bother to listen to the extensive list of criticisms. They think they've been enlightened to the whole socialist, sharing way of thinking and ignore that reality is not like that and never will be. Unfortunately, my Uni is famous for those types.
Best bit was that they were protesting G8 in London, despite the meeting being in Northern Ireland.
Best bit was that they were protesting G8 in London, despite the meeting being in Northern Ireland.
Colonel Mustard
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Their website, containing the answers you are looking for, is not hard to find. Here: https://network23.org/stopg8/ideas/capitalism/
Yes I have previously mastered google search. Not sure it answers my question though. What do they want? And if you want some kind of change there are more creative ways of doing it than getting stoned, dancing around and smashing places up. All sound like middle upper class drop outs to me
Colonel Mustard
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https://network23.org/stopg8/j11-carnival-against-capitalism/
"Traditionally, carnival is the time where the people take over the streets, the bosses run and hide, and the world gets turned upside down. It is a time to celebrate our resistance and our dreams, to bring music and colour to the streets. And also to show our strength and our anger.
The powerful feel safe in London so long as they go unchallenged. But the people looting our planet have names and addresses. On #J11 we will party in the streets, point out the hiding places of power, and take back the heart of our city for a day. Our streets. Our world."
This may help substantiate that viewpoint: https://network23.org/stopg8/ideas/anarchism/
I'd recommend reading Paul Mason's 'Why It's Kicking Off Everywhere', especially if you feel that such demonstrations are ineffective.
Sky Blue Pete
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Of course capitalism helps most people but unrestricted capitalism is abhorrent.
It's the sort of capitalism that leads to hundreds of deaths in a Bangladesh factory so I can buy a cheap t shirt, it's the sort of capitalism that means those in power get to 'earn' money through lobbying and where those with money can make more money through manipulating those without(loan sharks etc).
Smashing stuff up doesn't help. Winning hearts and minds does
It's the sort of capitalism that leads to hundreds of deaths in a Bangladesh factory so I can buy a cheap t shirt, it's the sort of capitalism that means those in power get to 'earn' money through lobbying and where those with money can make more money through manipulating those without(loan sharks etc).
Smashing stuff up doesn't help. Winning hearts and minds does
Otis
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Totally agree.
They did have a point as well when they were in London surrounded by all the mega rich businesses and institutions and yet yards away there were people living on the streets starving.
A world where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer is just so wrong in the 21st century.
There has to be balance.
BurbageSkyBlues
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Simple fact of life, there will always be those that exploit others. Regardless of capitalism or communism.
Economics is a complex equation. Like Otis says, there has to be a balance, which, in the main, it is attempted to be achieved by law and regulation. Doesn't always work though, there will always be those that walk over those that are less fortunate.
Most on here will, probably, be working towards a time when we can retire on a pension. Those funds will have been invested in businesses, through the stocks and shares, or building ownerships....so that the pension pot can grow big enough to offer us something later in life. All part of the economic equation...........just like the keyboards we type on.....where were they made? Coventry? London?....no, somehow they may just have come from a sweatshop in Bangladesh......
Economics is a complex equation. Like Otis says, there has to be a balance, which, in the main, it is attempted to be achieved by law and regulation. Doesn't always work though, there will always be those that walk over those that are less fortunate.
Most on here will, probably, be working towards a time when we can retire on a pension. Those funds will have been invested in businesses, through the stocks and shares, or building ownerships....so that the pension pot can grow big enough to offer us something later in life. All part of the economic equation...........just like the keyboards we type on.....where were they made? Coventry? London?....no, somehow they may just have come from a sweatshop in Bangladesh......
Brighton Sky Blue
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Which uni is that?
I'm thinking that was a more general stance against the G8 than a specific G8 event in NI.
Our streets our world. Sounds rather arrogant? Don't you have to earn what you get?
Brighton Sky Blue
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Or your surname is Windsor. Biggest scroungers of them all.
Sky Blue Pete
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Yep of course
Brighton Sky Blue
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You're not anti-capitalist for disliking people who are given things on a plate for doing diddly squat-indeed that goes against what capitalism is all about. In this day and age for people to be given millions of pounds, luxury and fame for being some distant descendant of aristocrats is completely wrong.
Colonel Mustard
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These groups form quickly and haphazardly. They usually have no leadership, choosing simple majority vote instead. To try to pin one, hard set of principles and demands on such spontaneous, diverse gatherings is impossible.
However, it is fair to say that the youth today have grown up in a world that seems wholly lopsided in favour of an elite establishment and an older generation that has pulled the ladder up. Whether it's massive student fees, the inability to afford mortgages, high youth unemployment, bankers decking the global economy without legal repercussion, MPs exploiting expenses and profiting from private companies, tax avoidance resulting in trillions stashed away in offshort accounts, the richest companies paying zero tax, blatant war profiteering from colossal corporations, big money buying both ignorance and elections, 'pirates' getting extradited while those who trouser illegal millions walk away scot-free ... it's fair to say they ain't as enamoured with the system as you are.
They see the game as being rigged, they are pissed about it, and who can blame them?
Colonel Mustard
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These groups form quickly and haphazardly. They usually have no leadership, choosing simple majority vote instead. To try to pin one hard set of principles and demands on such spontaneous and diverse gatherings is impossible.
However, it is fair to say that modern youth have grown up in a world that seems wholly lopsided in favour of an elite establishment and an older generation that has pulled up the ladder. Whether it's massive student fees, the inability to afford mortgages, high youth unemployment, bankers decking the global economy without legal repercussion, MPs exploiting expenses and profiting from private companies, tax avoidance resulting in trillions stashed away in offshort accounts, the richest companies paying zero tax, blatant war profiteering from colossal corporations, big money buying both ignorance and elections, 'pirates' getting extradited while those who trouser illegal millions walk away scot-free ... it's fair to say they ain't as enamoured with the system as you are.
They see the game as being rigged, they are pissed about it, and who can blame them?
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Sky Blue Pete
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Good summary
+ All the ones who had Free Tution/Courses ,did see an Article last week where they were talking of Speeding up the payback period.Was'nt it only 10 yrs ago they told us that everything was set in Stone,more like sand .I've told my daughter to head for OZ/NZ ,do they not realise they will drive away graduates.
rob9872
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History will go on repeating itself. It has nothing to do with anti-capitalism imo, just youth and opportunists jumping on the current flavour of bandwaggon to let off steam. At least old school football hoolies didn't pretend to be anything other than an unruly mob scouring the land for like-minded individuals. Some are retarded scum, others will likely come from decent if not priviliged backgrounds and won't even understand the cause.
Providing I can still buy a reasonably priced pair of Samabs, then collapsing sweatshops are simply casualties of war or natural selection.
Providing I can still buy a reasonably priced pair of Samabs, then collapsing sweatshops are simply casualties of war or natural selection.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I forgot to mention that, I might go to Scotland because I'm eligible for an Irish passport so I might be able to get free tuition... But it's Scotland
If you can then do it. I graduate next week after 5 years doing my integrated Masters in Scotland and will have a student debt of £23k. I start a PhD late September and but for a scholarship I would be paying nearly £4k a year on tuition fees out of my stipend on top of everything else.
I really shouldn't be penalised for having pursued higher education and especially in an area this country is sorely lacking in.
Brighton Sky Blue
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27k is also just for a bog standard bachelors' and you will almost certainly need further support from the government for living costs.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I should think not-my university has been in the top 5 of most UK guides for the last few years
I also wouldn't be so sure about favouring the middle class-I come from that background and have barely been able to get by at times without substantial extra support from the university. Emerging from university debt free is a pipe dream for most of us.
Grendel
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I should think not-my university has been in the top 5 of most UK guides for the last few years
I also wouldn't be so sure about favouring the middle class-I come from that background and have barely been able to get by at times without substantial extra support from the university. Emerging from university debt free is a pipe dream for most of us.
Can you clear your in box please old boy?
Brighton Sky Blue
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Just have.