Are People really Bleating? (12 Viewers)

Rusty Trombone · Oct 12, 2014

lordsummerisle said:
CCC did go behind Sisu's back to negotiate about the loan with YB whilst they were still supposed to be carrying out a two-pronged approach.

There is no evidence that Sisu were doing the same.

All in the JR, though maybe you can only read certain bits of it?

From the JR, you'll love this. It kind of disagrees with your view the Council were going behind SISU's back in some kind of immoral way.

the Council was fully entitled to engage in discussions with the Bank,
unilaterally and without informing SISU: in English law, there is no general duty to
conduct commercial negotiations in good faith, or to refrain from conducting
negotiations with more than one counterparty at the same time without disclosure.
The Heads of Terms did not impose any specific duty, e.g. as to exclusivity. They
made clear that there was no intention to create legal obligations. The Council was
here engaged in the commercial field, and (subject to its public duties) it was entitled
to act in the way that it considered was best in protecting its own commercial
interests, namely its share in ACL. If it considered that its commercial interests
would best be served by having discussions with the Bank without SISU being aware
of those discussions, or their content, the Council was fully entitled to have such
discussions. It owed no duty to SISU. Criticism of the Council’s actions is simply
misplaced; particularly given that its commercial interests had been placed in
jeopardy by SISU and its subsidiary, CCFC, failing to comply with its contractual
obligations towards ACL.

Not sure how this line of argument from you shows how you think SISU's offer for Higgs share was better than Wasps, I guess you've given up on that.

dadgad · Oct 12, 2014

This biz about territory is true.
It's only moronic English footy that Obsesses about this

Jack Griffin · Oct 12, 2014

Nick said:
Those reasons could have been used before though?

What on earth do you mean, have they or haven't they?

Talk sense man!

Frisky blue · Oct 12, 2014

Nick said:
Don't tell those people protesting to keep the 50m pool open that it is SISU's fault for withholding the rent

Dear me, when it's not abuse it's posting crap. We are all Coventry City fans aren't we. Please try to remember that.

Nick · Oct 12, 2014

Frisky blue said:
Dear me, when it's not abuse it's posting crap. We are all Coventry City fans aren't we. Please try to remember that.

Most of us are yes

Nick · Oct 12, 2014

Jack Griffin said:
What on earth do you mean, have they or haven't they?

Talk sense man!

I asked why it was worth less now than it was when sisu tried. The two reasons you gave didn't really explain why it has suddenly dropped in value did they?

When it was sisu then anything less than what the charity means they were getting ripped off and sisu were ripping off a children's charity.

wingy · Oct 12, 2014

sorry to go off topic slightly ,but does anyone know when Joys Oral hearing Is Due ??

Nick · Oct 12, 2014

wingy said:
sorry to go off topic slightly ,but does anyone know when Joys Oral hearing Is Due ??

It was thrush!

skybluetony176 · Oct 12, 2014

Nick said:
It was thrush!

I heard it was foot in mouth.

wingy · Oct 12, 2014

Nick said:
It was thrush!

Yeah just wondering whether the expediency of this deal Is to pre-empt that ,and now there Is a delay of 30 days there is a chance for a fly In the ointment .

italiahorse · Oct 12, 2014

Nick said:
Wait, the charity is getting less than it paid which you have just acknowledged. When ccfc offered it, there was outrage about the kids and a charity being ripped off.

Didn't somebody post saying that the rfu will force them to keep all the training and academy stuff down south?

Now it is a great deal

Not as clear as that I suspect. I would say that if you buy Higgs share you also take on half the debt/loan.

Travs · Oct 12, 2014

Nick said:
I asked why it was worth less now than it was when sisu tried. The two reasons you gave didn't really explain why it has suddenly dropped in value did they?

When it was sisu then anything less than what the charity means they were getting ripped off and sisu were ripping off a children's charity.

funny how comments along these lines always get conveniently ignored....

lordsummerisle · Oct 12, 2014

Rusty Trombone said:
From the JR, you'll love this. It kind of disagrees with your view the Council were going behind SISU's back in some kind of immoral way.

the Council was fully entitled to engage in discussions with the Bank,
unilaterally and without informing SISU: in English law, there is no general duty to
conduct commercial negotiations in good faith, or to refrain from conducting
negotiations with more than one counterparty at the same time without disclosure.
The Heads of Terms did not impose any specific duty, e.g. as to exclusivity. They
made clear that there was no intention to create legal obligations. The Council was
here engaged in the commercial field, and (subject to its public duties) it was entitled
to act in the way that it considered was best in protecting its own commercial
interests, namely its share in ACL. If it considered that its commercial interests
would best be served by having discussions with the Bank without SISU being aware
of those discussions, or their content, the Council was fully entitled to have such
discussions. It owed no duty to SISU. Criticism of the Council’s actions is simply
misplaced; particularly given that its commercial interests had been placed in
jeopardy by SISU and its subsidiary, CCFC, failing to comply with its contractual
obligations towards ACL.

Not sure how this line of argument from you shows how you think SISU's offer for Higgs share was better than Wasps, I guess you've given up on that.

It fully agrees with what I was saying.

They went to the bank without Sisu's knowledge, and Ni evidence that Sisu did the same, which is different from what you said that the Council didn't go behind Sisu's back and that Sisu went behind the Councils back to the bank.

As the judge said, nothing wrong with the Council doing do in law,nothing said about morals.

Leave the rather "flexible" arguments on morality to others.

dongonzalos · Oct 12, 2014

Nick said:
I asked why it was worth less now than it was when sisu tried. The two reasons you gave didn't really explain why it has suddenly dropped in value did they?

When it was sisu then anything less than what the charity means they were getting ripped off and sisu were ripping off a children's charity.

SISU stated in court it was worthless and they offered 2 million for it, purely because Higgs are a charity.
Now they are getting 2.77 million for it.

skybluefred · Oct 12, 2014

Astute said:
So what are your good qualities then?

Post of the week--brilliant.:claping hands:

Nick · Oct 12, 2014

dongonzalos said:
SISU stated in court it was worthless and they offered 2 million for it, purely because Higgs are a charity.
Now they are getting 2.77 million for it.

And that two million was disgusting wasn't it? Ripping off the kids.

At the time the only thing acceptable was to get what they paid.

dongonzalos · Oct 12, 2014

Nick said:
And that two million was disgusting wasn't it? Ripping off the kids.

At the time the only thing acceptable was to get what they paid.

I think they should get every penny back yes. However I don't run the charity. It's seems they deem 3/4 of a million more than what SISU offered as acceptable.
That's the most important thing that they get what they think is right.

skybluetony176 · Oct 12, 2014

Travs said:
funny how comments along these lines always get conveniently ignored....

They've been distressed and Wasps have been able to capitalise on this.

Think of SISU as jermain defoe and wasps as david nugent against Andorra.

Rusty Trombone · Oct 12, 2014

lordsummerisle said:
It fully agrees with what I was saying.

They went to the bank without Sisu's knowledge, and Ni evidence that Sisu did the same, which is different from what you said that the Council didn't go behind Sisu's back and that Sisu went behind the Councils back to the bank.

As the judge said, nothing wrong with the Council doing do in law,nothing said about morals.

Leave the rather "flexible" arguments on morality to others.

So when you used the phrase going behind their back you weren't implying wrong doing, fair enough. Most uses of the phrase imply that something improper is going on, but I accept you simply meant they didn't inform anyone, and that everything is ok with that.

I haven't raised any morality issues. My query is that you said the SISU offer to Higgs was better than Wasps, I wondered what that was based on, but your answers are all about Council loans and Council leases.

Rusty Trombone · Oct 12, 2014

Nick said:
And that two million was disgusting wasn't it? Ripping off the kids.

At the time the only thing acceptable was to get what they paid.

They were never going to get what they paid, the proposed deal was for a £1m less.

Jack Griffin · Oct 12, 2014

Nick said:
I asked why it was worth less now than it was when sisu tried. The two reasons you gave didn't really explain why it has suddenly dropped in value did they?

When it was sisu then anything less than what the charity means they were getting ripped off and sisu were ripping off a children's charity.

I already told you I don't bloody know, what part of "ask the trustees" don't you understand?

Nick · Oct 12, 2014

Jack Griffin said:
And I don't bloody know, what part of "ask the trustees" don't you understand?

So you didn't give me reasons then did you?

Jack Griffin · Oct 12, 2014

Nick said:
So you didn't give me reasons then did you?

I gave you my thought & I don't know, why don't you find out.

Moff · Oct 12, 2014

skybluefred said:
Post of the week--brilliant.:claping hands:

Bloody hell Fred why dont you go the whole hog and go round and kiss his ass. Bit old for infatuation aren't you

skybluetony176 · Oct 12, 2014

Travs said:
funny how comments along these lines always get conveniently ignored....

I've thought of another one.

Is it because wasps unlike Joy doesn't recognise Higgs as a charity?

God bless you're little heart Joy. I'm welling up here.

Frisky blue · Oct 12, 2014

Nick said:
Like half of the moaners on here would know about the football.

Sisu certainly don't, that's for sure!

:blue:

Astute · Oct 12, 2014

lordsummerisle said:
It fully agrees with what I was saying.

They went to the bank without Sisu's knowledge, and Ni evidence that Sisu did the same, which is different from what you said that the Council didn't go behind Sisu's back and that Sisu went behind the Councils back to the bank.

As the judge said, nothing wrong with the Council doing do in law,nothing said about morals.

Leave the rather "flexible" arguments on morality to others.

It fully agrees with what I and others were saying. CCC never went behind the backs of SISU. They were fully within their rights. But SISU did go behind the backs of CCC. And there is a chance that CCC found out when YB informed them so.

Deleted member 5849 · Oct 12, 2014

Astute said:
It fully agrees with what I and others were saying. CCC never went behind the backs of SISU. They were fully within their rights. But SISU did go behind the backs of CCC. And there is a chance that CCC found out when YB informed them so.

You can be within your rights, and still go behind the backs of somebody or something...

Astute · Oct 12, 2014

Deleted member 5849 said:
You can be within your rights, and still go behind the backs of somebody or something...

You can be pissed off with what CCC have done, but also understand that SISU have been pushing them into a corner....

Deleted member 5849 · Oct 12, 2014

Astute said:
You can be pissed off with what CCC have done, but also understand that SISU have been pushing them into a corner....

You can dislike peaches without it autopmatically meaning you can't get enough prunes.

letsallsingtogether · Oct 12, 2014

To be fair I have enough of the whole situation don't give a fuck anymore.

The main concern must now be are we going to survive in this league, or are we going to drop down another league loose another 3000 fans.
Our team is weak we have to strengthen it before it is too late, we always do worse after Xmas......

Astute · Oct 12, 2014

Deleted member 5849 said:
You can dislike peaches without it autopmatically meaning you can't get enough prunes.

You don't have to change the subject on behalf of someone just because he just about always agrees with you....

Deleted member 5849 · Oct 12, 2014

Astute said:
You don't have to change the subject on behalf of someone just because he just about always agrees with you....

It's not me who's changing the subject...

Astute · Oct 12, 2014

letsallsingtogether said:
To be fair I have enough of the whole situation don't give a fuck anymore.

The main concern must now be are we going to survive in this league, or are we going to drop down another league loose another 3000 fans.
Our team is weak we have to strengthen it before it is too late, we always do worse after Xmas......

We should do better at the start of next year. I am sure that it is when Allsop's loan is due to end.

rupert_bear · Oct 12, 2014

letsallsingtogether said:
To be fair I have enough of the whole situation don't give a fuck anymore.

The main concern must now be are we going to survive in this league, or are we going to drop down another league loose another 3000 fans.
Our team is weak we have to strengthen it before it is too late, we always do worse after Xmas......

Couldn't agree more shame there isn't a 52 page thread on how sisu, Fisher and Waggott have ran our club into the ground.

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