Still don't fully understand this "they get extra revenue" bit. Okay we don't own the Ricoh, but we never did we have always rented it, we currently pay less than 10% than we originally paid, we were the biggest gate by 5000 that would be a £100000+ a match more than most in this league if it carried on like that, that's over 2 million quid more than most, What restrictions do they have compared to us ?
Because it sounds good in a debate. Look at a lot of grounds we visit. We are supposed to be worse off than them because they might own their own ground. But all they have is a bit of grass in the middle and stands all around. But it can cost more in upkeep than we pay in rent.
Or how about the 23 days a year thing? Our last U21 game was at the Ricoh. It is people telling us what they know whilst taking guesses.
Because it sounds good in a debate. Look at a lot of grounds we visit. We are supposed to be worse off than them because they might own their own ground. But all they have is a bit of grass in the middle and stands all around. But it can cost more in upkeep than we pay in rent.
Or how about the 23 days a year thing? Our last U21 game was at the Ricoh. It is people telling us what they know whilst taking guesses.
So oldskyblue58 is there a hint of smoke and mirrors then. In your opinion
You might hope that what the club have rights to in terms of occupancy was detailed clearly in the contract they signed.
Also you would have to query which of the events that stops usage of the lounges were booked before the club returned to the Ricoh. For instance the Insomnia gaming festival was signed up before the CCFC return and I believe was a 5 year deal. They must have been aware of that and its likely effect before the return - if not they should have been
Yes other clubs might get other incomes but they also get other costs not only in respect of stadium operation but also directly related to the other incomes. It is not as simple as saying we get that income they get that income aren't we hard done by...... you need in terms of being able to finance success to look at both sides of the equation
Presently the stadium cost (excluding stewards) would appear to be 1/23 x 100000 rent = £4348 per match and on Saturday the club must have taken in excess of £100,000. Compare that with other teams who must bare the full cost of stadium & pitch maintenance/upkeep (likely to be well north of £100k pa) and average say 6000 fans or £60,000 per match.
If the reduction in costs is greater than the rights to income not obtained then which is the more important?
The turnover sets the SCMP budget yes (but even that is not the full business budget and doesn't include all players), ........ it is the level of positive cash flow that finances any potential for success on the pitch. Especially if the club is to be self sufficient
That is not to say turnover is not important, that it shouldn't be maximised and the club should not have more in an ideal world
I think you're being a tad unfair there OSB. We also pay matchday costs, we don't get 100% profits on F&B's (I'd be surprised with the compass contract of ours isn't the smallest profit margin in football by some distance), we don't get 100% parking, we only get limited pitchside advertising which has to be removable, we can't ad/sell more advertising around the stands (e.g those on the balcony on the main stand will be paying wasps), we can't sell stand sponsorship, ground sponsorship, advertising boards around the outside of the ground, don't get 100% parking, don't get additional 365 revenues from selling meetin/function room. A lot of lower league teams rent their pitch to PL U21/reserve sides, a bigger ground and higher attendances mean higher steward/turnstile/police/ambulance costs. And that's just around matchday. Then you have to balance ticket prices, we have the third lowest ST's in the league so that will impact - for example me, my grandad and 2 boys cost average £5.38 (inc vat) per match,
I agree with the turnover vs useable revenue argument, but we also likely as a more established league club to have more medical staff, etc, we also have a cat 2 academy (£500k pa), I don't imagine many in league one will have? The like you said we're on a commission base for shop and programmes - lower risk but lower income, etc.
We're fine in this league, our fan base should bring enough revenue in to be competitive, but it does fall down in the championship, people focus too much on beer & burgers and not on the whole plethora of extra incomes.
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What is the average F&B and what is the average profit?
How many clubs get parking revenues? I have never paid to park my car at away games. Yet you mention it twice.
All clubs pay matchday costs.
How many stadiums make money on meeting/function rooms?
Cat 2 academy? How much did they get for Wilson?
How can you celebrate the cheap tickets then say it is harming our future? How does Bradford survive?
Show me all the clubs that make millions from their stadium and for each one that does I will show you several that do not.
I get a feeling the graph is going to be making an appearance again soon.
Don't most clubs charge for car parking in the official car parks at the ground or do they just let everybody in for free (apart from VIP, corporate etc)?
How many clubs have lots of car parking spaces like the Ricoh does? Many of them if they do have spaces do not have many. It isn't an income like the Ricoh spaces are. Unless it is a new ground it is normally surrounded by terraced houses.
How many spaces to sell did HR have?
All clubs have parking as FL regulations require parking be provided for directors, players, officials, press etc. Of course that doesn't mean every club has them but many do. Even HR had a car park opposite the ticket office. Our issue is we have to pay ACL to use the car park so again rather than making money we are spending money. Now of course we can buy spaces to sell on at a premium but I don't think we do at present and we don't know how much ACL would want or if they are even available or have been sold on elsewhere.
You say that we don't get all the money on income for parking spaces that other clubs get. So how much do directors, players officials, press etc pay?
What is the average F&B and what is the average profit?
How many clubs get parking revenues? I have never paid to park my car at away games. Yet you mention it twice.
All clubs pay matchday costs.
How many stadiums make money on meeting/function rooms?
Cat 2 academy? How much did they get for Wilson?
How can you celebrate the cheap tickets then say it is harming our future? How does Bradford survive?
Show me all the clubs that make millions from their stadium and for each one that does I will show you several that do not.
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