Attendances if sisu were to leave tomorrow (18 Viewers)

Evo1883 · Feb 8, 2015

The club appear to have over 12000 NOPM participants , my point is that the level of football we play is just as much an attendance killer , but if the NOPM brigade are loyal supporters then im guessing 15k would be the minimum if sisu upped and left tommorrow and we had new owners , because the way some supporters go on about NOPM , they are open to alot of criticism if attendances are poor if things change
2014 2.348

2013 10.997

2012 15.119

2011 16.310

2010 17.305

2009 17.408

2008 19.123

2007 20.342

Since sisus arrival

bigfatronssba · Feb 8, 2015

I suppose it would depend on what initiatives the new owners but in place to bring fans back.

The onus is, always has been, and always will be on the club to increase attendances.

Ashdown · Feb 8, 2015

New ambitious owners, new tactically aware manager, a few positive results..................crowds would rise by around 5000 to start with. Next season with a good start and challenging, average 14-16000 !

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 8, 2015

When SISU came, were hailed as saviours, and bought players...

Attendances dipped.

Evo1883 · Feb 8, 2015

Deleted member 5849 said:
When SISU came, were hailed as saviours, and bought players...

Attendances dipped.

im more interested to find out how many NOPM supporters actually just dont go because they cant be arsed anymore , instead of using NOPM as a smokecreen to be able to still label themselves as loyal supporters

DazzleTommyDazzle · Feb 8, 2015

I think that it's difficult to over-estimate the damage that the move to Northampton did.

It'll take a winning team to bring the crowds back, but even then I fear that it will be a slower recovery than many hope/expect.

bigfatronssba · Feb 8, 2015

CraigSBA said:
im more interested to find out how many NOPM supporters actually just dont go because they cant be arsed anymore , instead of using NOPM as a smokecreen to be able to still label themselves as loyal supporters

Everyone has their reasons.

You or I are nobody to question anyone's loyalty.

Evo1883 · Feb 8, 2015

bigfatronssba said:
Everyone has their reasons.

You or I are nobody to question anyone's loyalty.

If 12000 still stay away with new owners , NOPM is bollox and always was..fact

Bob Latchford · Feb 8, 2015

Ashdown said:
New ambitious owners, new tactically aware manager, a few positive results..................crowds would rise by around 5000 to start with. Next season with a good start and challenging, average 14-16000 !

Agreed !

bigfatronssba · Feb 8, 2015

CraigSBA said:
If 12000 still stay away with new owners , NOPM is bollox and always was..fact

Most people don't go because they've had enough, fed up being lied to and taken advantage of.

How many return will depend on the actions of new owners.

Evo1883 · Feb 8, 2015

bigfatronssba said:
Most people don't go because they've had enough, fed up being lied to and taken advantage of.

How many return will depend on the actions of new owners.

I agree with the course of action new owners would take will affect attendances also , but my point is the vast majority of people claim they dont go because of sisu , so surely a decent upturn in attendances would be expected

DazzleTommyDazzle · Feb 8, 2015

CraigSBA said:
im more interested to find out how many NOPM supporters actually just dont go because they cant be arsed anymore , instead of using NOPM as a smokecreen to be able to still label themselves as loyal supporters

I'm interested as to why you believe that people who "can't be arsed anymore" would want to "still label themselves as loyal supporters".

Is it the glamour that comes from associating oneself with a team at the wrong end of the third division? Or the pride that comes from identifying with the most litigious owners in the football league?

Personally, I'm much more worried about the ones who "can't be arsed anymore" and have simply drifted away from our club.

sky_blue_up_north · Feb 8, 2015

I've got a season ticket and been a fan for over 50 years, not bothered if I go or not at the moment, found other interests. Just not been entertained 90% of this season. I've seen half a good game at home against Peterboro, and great away performance at Walsall. Apart from that we have been really shocking at times. The game at Oldham comes to mind, (yes I was there). The team is poor and appears to have no direction. Personally I think it will be a miracle if we don't go down. Something dramatic needs to happen, but I just don't see it. I truly believe if SISU are still in 18 months we'll be heading for the conference and oblivion.

bigfatronssba · Feb 8, 2015

Deleted member 5849 said:
When SISU came, were hailed as saviours, and bought players...

Attendances dipped.

Not strictly true, attendances initially rose.

They didn't fall until the following season, after we had a taster of Coleman's style of play and his ability to take a mid table team and get it into a relegation battle.

Evo1883 · Feb 8, 2015

DazzleTommyDazzle said:
I'm interested as to why you believe that people who "can't be arsed anymore" would want to "still label themselves as loyal supporters".

Is it the glamour that comes from associating oneself with a team at the wrong end of the third division? Or the pride that comes from identifying with the most litigious owners in the football league?

Personally, I'm much more worried about the ones who "can't be arsed anymore" and have simply drifted away from our club.

If you take a look on facebook etc , there are now a few supporters who are starting to label people that go scabs , or we are theones that are funding sisu , my point is that if sisu go tomorrow all these NOPM supporters that have sat there and moaned about every aspect of the club whilst staying away will surely attend again , and if they dont then the club will look ridiculous still getting 9k at home , whilst 12000 supporters have sat back and just not bothered ...again .. Its statistically impossible that 12000 supporters have just lost interest , so an upturn of decent numbers even 3-4 k shouldbe expected at a minimum

Evo1883 · Feb 8, 2015

sky_blue_up_north said:
I've got a season ticket and been a fan for over 50 years, not bothered if I go or not at the moment, found other interests. Just not been entertained 90% of this season. I've seen half a good game at home against Peterboro, and great away performance at Walsall. Apart from that we have been really shocking at times. The game at Oldham comes to mind, (yes I was there). The team is poor and appears to have no direction. Personally I think it will be a miracle if we don't go down. Something dramatic needs to happen, but I just don't see it. I truly believe if SISU are still in 18 months we'll be heading for the conference and oblivion.

Just read that on facebook

bigfatronssba · Feb 8, 2015

DazzleTommyDazzle said:
I'm interested as to why you believe that people who "can't be arsed anymore" would want to "still label themselves as loyal supporters".

Is it the glamour that comes from associating oneself with a team at the wrong end of the third division? Or the pride that comes from identifying with the most litigious owners in the football league?

Personally, I'm much more worried about the ones who "can't be arsed anymore" and have simply drifted away from our club.

I put myself into that category. I haven't stopped going up there completely, but a lot less than I used to.

I am not boycotting out of any particular principle, its just it doesn't mean as much to me anymore. I have learned to not allow myself the disappointment of a loss every week. I have somehow desensitised myself to it. However because of that, the rare victories also mean less too me. Its almost as though the emotional attachment has gone.

As a result watching city no longer grips me in the way it used to (no sense of nerves/anticipation before a game), and without that, watching CCFC is very boring.

DazzleTommyDazzle · Feb 8, 2015

CraigSBA said:
If you take a look on facebook etc , there are now a few supporters who are starting to label people that go scabs , or we are theones that are funding sisu , my point is that if sisu go tomorrow all these NOPM supporters that have sat there and moaned about every aspect of the club whilst staying away will surely attend again , and if they dont then the club will look ridiculous still getting 9k at home , whilst 12000 supporters have sat back and just not bothered ...again .. Its statistically impossible that 12000 supporters have just lost interest , so an upturn of decent numbers even 3-4 k shouldbe expected at a minimum

I think you're paying too much attention to Facebook.

Next you'll be taking posts on this site seriously!

Evo1883 · Feb 8, 2015

I dont blame supporters for wanting to stay away , i dont want to come accross like that , i just want to be clear that i think NOPM for alot of people , is mearly an excuse

Rusty Trombone · Feb 8, 2015

I think there are very few NOPM'ers at the moment, the main reason for low attendances is that we're losing, and giving very little in the way of entertainment, change one of those things, ideally both, and attendances will rise.

Bennets Afro · Feb 8, 2015

I don't go up now as much as I did. Used to have a season ticket for ten years before Northampton.

Every time I go up this year I spend shed loads on beer as the game is dull and un-entertaining. I'd rather spend the same money in my local watching soccer Saturday.

I pick and choose my games now

Samo · Feb 8, 2015

sky_blue_up_north said:
I've got a season ticket and been a fan for over 50 years, not bothered if I go or not at the moment, found other interests. Just not been entertained 90% of this season. I've seen half a good game at home against Peterboro, and great away performance at Walsall. Apart from that we have been really shocking at times. The game at Oldham comes to mind, (yes I was there). The team is poor and appears to have no direction. Personally I think it will be a miracle if we don't go down. Something dramatic needs to happen, but I just don't see it. I truly believe if SISU are still in 18 months we'll be heading for the conference and oblivion.

But what do SISU gain from that? What is their plan?

DazzleTommyDazzle · Feb 8, 2015

CraigSBA said:
I dont blame supporters for wanting to stay away , i dont want to come accross like that , i just want to be clear that i think NOPM for alot of people , is mearly an excuse

I think that it's difficult to generalise.

NOPM was very real for me while we were in Northampton.

I do however feel that the less people go, the less they are likely to go in the future - the "bond" with the club weakens and that is very dangerous.

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 8, 2015

Samo said:
But what do SISU gain from that? What is their plan?

They could of course just be inept, and not be trying to gain anything from failure...

Ashdown · Feb 8, 2015

It used to be a central part of my life. Everything else was generally booked around the fixture list, the success of a weekend rested on the City result, finances were planned around football spend, parties and social events turned down if I was making my way back from away matches, Christmas fixed up around the games. I've even returned early from two holidays in France to take in the first games of a season. I've worked in sales for nearly 3 decades and with a good and flexible boss I've made my appointments to coincide with the City's trips, many a company car was pointed at the away venue for the Sky Blues !
The owners have killed that, they did it by taking us to Northampton and they are still doing it by offering very little hope going forward. I've done 6 games in 2014/15, which is paltry for me and now it's all largely on the back burner in terms of interest and emotion.

Evo1883 · Feb 8, 2015

Reading some comments here , Its a shame the club and its fanbase is at this stage , it really is

Samo · Feb 8, 2015

Deleted member 5849 said:
They could of course just be inept, and not be trying to gain anything from failure...

Yes they could, but there must be a plan, inept or otherwise.

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 8, 2015

Samo said:
Yes they could, but there must be a plan, inept or otherwise.

Always a plan, but given the state of the club from the moment they came in, it's always going to be a high risk one.

Consequences of failure are, yes, indeed, ultimate oblivion. I keep seeing people saying that won't happen, but why not? CCFC aren't SISU's only interest, they need to send strong mssages out, and it's not like they've any incentive to keep going.

Sad though it is, we probably have to cling to the thought that one of the high risk plans actually works! The foundations are broken, they have been ever since McGinnity flogged off everything that wasn't nailed down, and that doesn't fix easily.

skybluetony176 · Feb 8, 2015

If we stay up I think next seasons season ticket sales will tell you all you need to know about what effect SISU are having regard's to our fan base. There's been an alarming number of season ticket holders on here saying they bought one on the high of the return home and won't be renewing next season or even go to every game this season despite having a ticket.

Suffolkskyblue · Feb 8, 2015

Rusty Trombone said:
I think there are very few NOPM'ers at the moment, the main reason for low attendances is that we're losing, and giving very little in the way of entertainment, change one of those things, ideally both, and attendances will rise.

I'd agree with these sentiments, the football I have seen this season home and away has been dire. It is an entertainment business at the end of the day and people will not come if they are not being entertained. I'm unlikely to renew my season ticket next season.

Samo · Feb 8, 2015

Deleted member 5849 said:
Always a plan, but given the state of the club from the moment they came in, it's always going to be a high risk one.

Consequences of failure are, yes, indeed, ultimate oblivion. I keep seeing people saying that won't happen, but why not? CCFC aren't SISU's only interest, they need to send strong mssages out, and it's not like they've any incentive to keep going.

Sad though it is, we probably have to cling to the thought that one of the high risk plans actually works! The foundations are broken, they have been ever since McGinnity flogged off everything that wasn't nailed down, and that doesn't fix easily.

Would you, or anyone for that matter, like to speculate as to what the plan might be? It seems to me that if you rule out investment at some point, they may as well go now. So why do they not?

stupot07 · Feb 8, 2015

IMO it would add no more than 2.5-3k to the gate. The end of the day we're 20th in league and in real danger of relegation. "I'm not paying £22 to watch shit league one football, will be the excuse.

If people have got out the habit and found other things to do on Saturday, they're not likely to come back and get back in the habit.

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Rusty Trombone · Feb 8, 2015

Samo said:
Would you, or anyone for that matter, like to speculate as to what the plan might be? It seems to me that if you rule out investment at some point, they may as well go now. So why do they not?

I guess they will wait until all possible JR appeals are finished before they think about leaving.

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 8, 2015

Samo said:
Would you, or anyone for that matter, like to speculate as to what the plan might be? It seems to me that if you rule out investment at some point, they may as well go now. So why do they not?

Sue everyone until they win?

Wait until Wasps goes wrong, and they can pick up the ground even cheaper?

Go into partnership with Villa as their feeder club, and get a ground built for them in Merevale?

skybluetony176 · Feb 8, 2015

stupot07 said:
IMO it would add no more than 2.5-3k to the gate. The end of the day we're 20th in league and in real danger of relegation. "I'm not paying £22 to watch shit league one football, will be the excuse.

If people have got out the habit and found other things to do on Saturday, they're not likely to come back and get back in the habit.

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It's not an excuse, it's a reason. One of the many reasons any reasonable owner would want to address. All the missing fans need is something to turn their eye. A decent team would be a good start but combined with new owners could be quite effective.

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