Then why are they not going through the European commission you mong? Fuck's sake, get a grip.
That's the $64M question isn't it mong. I don't pretend to know the actual answer to that one mong but the mechanism is in place should they have chosen to take it mong.
Perhaps it didn't deliver what they want mong but from this week's warm up game it's hard to see what more the JR will deliver now mong.
Maybe they should of done their due diligence mong.
Where have we heard that before mong.
Ask them why didn't they just go to the European commission for England regarding the "state aid" as its there job to investigate complaints about the legality of state aid and therefore would have saved them a packet on the JR?
Can you also ask them what the ownership arrangements will be at any sisu owned stadium and what this means to the club.
Can you also ask that if Joy is a Christian why can't she forgive ACL and return on the temporary rent deal offered by ACL through the FL or at least show the fans (who were here before her and assuming she doesn't liquidate the club will be here long after she's gone) enough respect to at least counter that offer with the temporary deal that will bring the club home.
Please explain to me that response. You must be a sisu fan.god knows why?Tony's European Commission idea is total horseshit.
Why would lawyers take it through the English judicial system, have a judge hear evidence and make decisions upon the evidence presented if it's actually a matter for the European commission? Don't you think at some point one of the legal advisors would have said something along the lines of 'actually, I think we may have taken the wrong course of action here, what we should actually be doing is taking this to the European commission. A bloke on the internet is very persistent in his belief that this is the correct course of action and I'm inclined to agree because he is obviously trained in legal matters because he speaks with such authority'?
Please explain to me that response. You must be a sisu fan.god knows why?
Like I said I don't pretend to know their reasons for not taking this cause of action but the mechanism is there.
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Tonyspeak for: I havent a fucking clue what I am talking about I am quiting while I am behind
Tim! Tim! Tim? Tim!
Tonyspeak for: I havent a fucking clue what I am talking about I am quiting while I am behind
Could you please ask him whether it was a standard Carling glass that was launched at his bonce or something fancier like a Stella glass?
Thanks in advance.
Sorry are you saying that the mechanism of the European commission isn't there? I'd be happy to hear your expert opinion on this. Just to give you a heads up. The European commission of Spain is also investigating 3clubs concerning state aid rules. If this ISN'T the right mechanism please show me the proof as I feel honour bound as a European citizen to report the commissions for acting outside of there jurisdiction and waisting tax payers money.
The only other reason I can think of for your reply is that you think I don't have a fucking clue as to why sisu didn't use this mechanism. Well I've already said that. I've also said that this is the reason why I posed the question in reply to the OP.
Sisu may well have a very genuine reason for not using the European commission route. As there's a good chance that the JR is saddling the club with yet more debt it can't afford as a CCFC fan I'd like to know why they chose to go straight for the JR route. Is this wrong as a CCFC fan or are you more concerned about how badly sisu can beat up CCC in court?
Sounds fair enough. So Hoff and Mr Cov have spent time with Joy and her lawyers. Wonder why?
Pretty true about the CT too. I keep meaning to look and see if Simon Gilbert is related to anyone in ACL. He's been doing some nice PR for them lately.
How many more times?
The commission has not even released any documentation that it has even started formal investigations into Swansea. Its processes often take years to reach a conclusion - even if they ever reach a conclusion at all. If they ever do reach a conclusion its often not conclusive and can be challenged. So you'd face years of wrangling - is that what you want?
The JR process will allow access to certain documentation which will be there then for all the public to see and draw conclusions from. Its very i likely either side will be able to appeal the outcome.
Finally, how do you know they haven't advised the commission over irregularities regarding the loan anyway? They can persue two actions at the same time you know.
Sounds fair enough. So Hoff and Mr Cov have spent time with Joy and her lawyers. Wonder why?
Pretty true about the CT too. I keep meaning to look and see if Simon Gilbert is related to anyone in ACL. He's been doing some nice PR for them lately.
Sounds fair enough. So Hoff and Mr Cov have spent time with Joy and her lawyers. Wonder why?
Pretty true about the CT too. I keep meaning to look and see if Simon Gilbert is related to anyone in ACL. He's been doing some nice PR for them lately.
So which part of what SG has said isn't truthful?
Just because it isn't always good news for SISU?
"Hi Lee,
I've been asking for a full, open forum since February 2013. I think the council and ACL have been keeping a lot of very significant things covered up and they have been using an expensive London PR firm to spread misleading stories. We'll never get a solution until all the facts are out there and available to the fans.
This is why I signed the petition calling for a parliamentary inquiry, though I doubt this will ever happen. I'm not focused on the Judicial Review but at least the legal actions have forced the council/ACL to have over a lot of their internal e-mails and documents, which has brought a lot of the truth about what really happened to light. Sadly, most of it goes unreported in the Coventry Telegraph.
Over the past three weeks, I have been meeting groups of fans (between half a dozen and 20 at a time) and doing my best to answer all their questions. The feedback has in the main been very positive.
I'd now like to have a full, open forum. Ideally, I'd like everyone involved in the dispute to attend: the top council officers, ACL directors and Joe and Gary (both of whom have spent time with Joy/her lawyers recently btw). That way everyone can give their side of the story and answer questions.
With a multi-party forum like this, we need a robust, independent chairman. One of the CWR presenters would be perfect. The presenters I've approached asked me to speak with the senior producers at CWR. I've done so and they have told me that the forum should be after the local elections (I wanted it to be ASAP) as they have limited manpower during election coverage and also limits on the availability of their presenters if there's a chance that the forum might be seen as "political". They have promised to get back to me with a date and possible chairman by Monday. I already have a venue in mind which some fans in Coundon have shown me.
I'll keep you posted. You can e-mail or call me any time.
Best wishes.
Mark"
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Classic, SISU just lost a court hearing where the Judge told them they couldn't have the council documents they wanted, next thing you know there is an email claiming that "the legal actions have forced the council/ACL to have over a lot of their internal e-mails and documents" (I presume he meant hand over not have over).
Ha! classic. Reid writes it = rubbish. Gilbert writes it = gospel truth. I'm surprised you're so easily taken in. Remember those emails that didn't show ACL/CCC in a particularly good light? I remember you saying you weren't going to believe them as you didn't know the "context". Seems you're not particularly bothered about context when it suits.
I'm hoping that the JR will give us some clear indication of what happened and why we are where find ourselves. If SISU have done anything dodgy or underhand then I hope everyone can see and digest it. Similarly with ACL/CCC.
We already heard some interesting stuff last time.
"Hi Lee,
I've been asking for a full, open forum since February 2013. I think the council and ACL have been keeping a lot of very significant things covered up and they have been using an expensive London PR firm to spread misleading stories. We'll never get a solution until all the facts are out there and available to the fans.
This is why I signed the petition calling for a parliamentary inquiry, though I doubt this will ever happen. I'm not focused on the Judicial Review but at least the legal actions have forced the council/ACL to have over a lot of their internal e-mails and documents, which has brought a lot of the truth about what really happened to light. Sadly, most of it goes unreported in the Coventry Telegraph.
Over the past three weeks, I have been meeting groups of fans (between half a dozen and 20 at a time) and doing my best to answer all their questions. The feedback has in the main been very positive.
I'd now like to have a full, open forum. Ideally, I'd like everyone involved in the dispute to attend: the top council officers, ACL directors and Joe and Gary (both of whom have spent time with Joy/her lawyers recently btw). That way everyone can give their side of the story and answer questions.
With a multi-party forum like this, we need a robust, independent chairman. One of the CWR presenters would be perfect. The presenters I've approached asked me to speak with the senior producers at CWR. I've done so and they have told me that the forum should be after the local elections (I wanted it to be ASAP) as they have limited manpower during election coverage and also limits on the availability of their presenters if there's a chance that the forum might be seen as "political". They have promised to get back to me with a date and possible chairman by Monday. I already have a venue in mind which some fans in Coundon have shown me.
I'll keep you posted. You can e-mail or call me any time.
Best wishes.
Mark"
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Why would the want to collude with SISU ?Fairplay he is trying to arrange the forum.
I am guessing Joy probably wants to use them as witnesses that Mr Haskel was part of an orchestrated plot to kick SISU out.
(Not too sure that will interest the judge to greatly)
Looks from the outside like desperation is starting to kick in.
The suspicious side of me would suggest this was name dropped to try and frighten the council ( just a guess)
Reid did well at first. But once he had a meeting with Joy he just came out with crap. So which part of SG's articles do you disagree with.......other than not being so one sided towards SISU like Les Reids were towards the end?
Can you list some reasons why anyone should be pro sisu.No, you just decided he was a shit journalist because he wasn't writing what you want to hear. You guys love Simon because he feeds the popular anti-SISU ego.
No, you just decided he was a shit journalist because he wasn't writing what you want to hear. You guys love Simon because he feeds the popular anti-SISU ego.
No, you just decided he was a shit journalist because he wasn't writing what you want to hear. You guys love Simon because he feeds the popular anti-SISU ego.
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