Don't know the details of the deal but I would have been surprised if it wasn't a loan for the period he has left on his contract at Arsenal@betterdays .... if this proposed deal is correct I assume we have not only an exclusive option with Arsenal but the player is also obligated to join us too if we take up the option ??
Another loan we will be sweating about on here if he has a blinder this season to watch him end up out of our reachDon't know the details of the deal but I would have been surprised if it wasn't a loan for the period he has left on his contract at Arsenal
A bit like O'Hare last year
No doubt we will get a bit of info when it's eventually announced
The only thing I heard was a deal for Sheaf was more or less agreed two or three weeks ago but signing Tyler Walker was the priority and there was a last minute problem with that deal by another club staking a late interest.
One of the Arsenal publications said his contract is until 2022.Don't know the details of the deal but I would have been surprised if it wasn't a loan for the period he has left on his contract at Arsenal
A bit like O'Hare last year
No doubt we will get a bit of info when it's eventually announced
One of the Arsenal publications said his contract is until 2022.
Tomorrow ??Don't know the details of the deal but I would have been surprised if it wasn't a loan for the period he has left on his contract at Arsenal
A bit like O'Hare last year
No doubt we will get a bit of info when it's eventually announced
Why does everybody act like we only receive money from transfers in instalments but pay out our fees in one lump?
Surprised it wasn't today so hopefully yesTomorrow ??
Oh you heard that did you?The only thing I heard was a deal for Sheaf was more or less agreed two or three weeks ago but signing Tyler Walker was the priority and there was a last minute problem with that deal by another club staking a late interest.
The other comment made was arsenal would pay some of his wages this season so maybe that’s whyJust a theory. Is the loan with option to buy essentially a permanent but if we get relegated he is basically free to go and we don’t have to keep him on the books. He could be on big wages for us,potentially toward 10k per week, and with the new salary cap in league 1 that would be unsustainable and would take up a big chunk of the allowance.
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The other comment made was arsenal would pay some of his wages this season so maybe that’s why
If we got relegated any player already under contract only counts as the league average.Just a theory. Is the loan with option to buy essentially a permanent but if we get relegated he is basically free to go and we don’t have to keep him on the books. He could be on big wages for us,potentially toward 10k per week, and with the new salary cap in league 1 that would be unsustainable and would take up a big chunk of the allowance.
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It is possible, same as it’s possible the fees we’re quoted as paying are the top level headline figures and we are in fact paying a lot less.
The only thing I heard was a deal for Sheaf was more or less agreed two or three weeks ago but signing Tyler Walker was the priority and there was a last minute problem with that deal by another club staking a late interest.
If we got relegated any player already under contract only counts as the league average.
If we got relegated any player already under contract only counts as the league average.
That’s just Grendels “creative accounting” to support his points.Why does everybody act like we only receive money from transfers in instalments but pay out our fees in one lump?
You can’t have it both ways and you know it...Well no as it’s possible as the top level headline fee is included to assume that is what we received - the published accounts in the end will reveal the truth
Is it possible that the lad was reluctant to sign permanently and this deal is the only way he would come?
You can’t have it both ways and you know it...
Incoming fees will likely be structured and outgoing fees will likely be structured.
Payment terms negotiated depending on cash position obviously but to pretend all of our outgoing fees are paid up front but our incoming fees are in instalments is just nonsense
Probably why it’s ended up in a loan dealIf this guy was reluctant to sign & there were issues around his willingness to come, don’t you think MR would have pulled out? It’s a big chunk of money to spend on someone who’s heart isn’t in it when you could use the cash elsewhere
Never been on twitter so wouldn’t knowSo the same timeframe as people on twitter then
By all reports we wanted him on a perm I think the player had issues with coming here for one reason or another.If true, I think it's a shrewd move bringing Sheaf in on a loan with an option to buy. It's been well documented that the EFL have implemented a salary cap for all their League One and Two, with League One in particular being restricted to a fixed £2.5m spend on bonuses, wages, agent fees and other moneys paid to players. Focusing on League One, this is in place of the SCMP regulations that governed (or rather attempted to govern) financial sustainability and longevity of all members within the league). Given that our wage bill is likely to be considerably higher than last year's, I presume we are now subsequently exceeding this cap quite considerably - and in the event of CCFC dropping back down into League One (hopefully not), it's not improbable to suggest that we would still likely be far above the £2.5m threshold.
So, could it be that Robins and the backroom staff are simply thinking ahead, just in case we do in fact find ourselves in a relegation spot come the end of the season. I can't imagine that Sheaf is on small wages so it makes sense to structure the deal as a loan, with an option to buy just in case affordability becomes difficult in the event we are relegated - especially we cannot move him on for whatever reason. After all every transfer comes with its risk. Sheaf could rupture his ACL in true CCFC fashion or his form might plummet as we saw from signings such as Ogogo. Then we're inevitably stuck with his wages for the foreseeable. Hence why I believe this to be a wise move from the club.
Personally I cannot see this particular deal being made to avoid the current P&S (profit and sustainability rules) implemented in the Championship. To my knowledge the current rules state that each club is not permitted to lose over £13m per season over four years - (it used to be three but it has recently changed to four). It's highly doubtful that even in the current situation we're losing that much and regardless,
clubs will now be reporting on a four-year period that covers 2017/18-2020/21 instead of the three years that cover 2017/18-2019/20. The club's accounts have shown that we're definitely not losing that much, so for that particular scenario we're in the clear.
Apologies for the 'essay', just my little speculative take on it!
You do keep saying this for some reason.By all reports we wanted him on a perm I think the player had issues with coming here for one reason or another.
Moody one for me this not sure if he’s fully committed to even coming here.
By all reports we wanted him on a perm I think the player had issues with coming here for one reason or another.
Moody one for me this not sure if he’s fully committed to even coming here.
By all reports we wanted him on a perm I think the player had issues with coming here for one reason or another.
Moody one for me this not sure if he’s fully committed to even coming here.
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