Big Sam sacked

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  1. Terry Gibson's perm

    Terry Gibson's perm Well-Known Member

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    He must have a hell of a bank balance all these pay offs.

    Mad decision he did what he had to do no doubt will be replaced by another foreigner
     
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    Sad really, no love for the guy but bringing in silva who was at Watford seems bizarre too. Both Moyes and Big sam have done a job for their clubs but clearly they want more. Managers don’t get enough time anymore
     
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    I think it was always just to the end of the season by the sounds of it, he had the leverage to get a longer contract in order to get a lovely payoff but he can't have been expecting to still be there come August.
     
  4. Captain Dart

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    About time he bought his own club.

    Whatever happened to that consortium he was involved in?
     
  5. covcity4life

    covcity4life Well-Known Member

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    silva makes sense as he plays brand everton fans want
     
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    What is a realistic aim for them? Spent big last summer but on average players. Top 5/6 look out of reach and always a Burnley or Leicester that come from the pack. 7/8th is about right for the, but careful what you wish for as a number of teams have tried to push onto the next level and been found wanting, some of them never return or take a few steps backwards.
     
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    In fairness, Allardyce isn't going to win over the fans there, best move for him is to take the money and run.
     
  8. tisza

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    Said when he got the job he'd be gone in the summer. Everton fans were never going to take to his football (once he'd rescued them!!). There's some good players there and they have spent money compared to everyone lse outside top 6
     
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    They've been wasting money,players etc since the takeover.
    Never needed such a large turnover in players as they've had, some true talents blown there.
     
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    Yeah, smaller scale Man Utd with the same problems. Like the Lottery winner who buys lots of expensive tat that doesn't complement the other stuff they've bought
     
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    Doesn’t mean it will fit the players and system though?
     
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    Too true, young lads pushing through now hardly get a look in
     
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    The fans deserved better than money man Sam anyhow..... believe the board actually opinion polled the STH on allardyce performance.....highly unlikely u know. ... but maybe they listened....
     
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    Basically West ham and Everton owners appoint "sexy" foreign coaches to keep fans happy.
    These coaches fail then it's the old reliable managers that step in to save the day.
    Job done and on yer bike and same owners begin search for new "sexy" foreign coach to start the process again.
    Odds on BFS replacing another failed "sexy" coach next Jan / Feb pretty decent.
     
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    thats why he has a summer to make moves in window
     
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    pardew and lambert saved the day.....

    stop the xenophobia. we have some good managers but very few play expansive football and thats what fans want these days. eddie howe,brenden rogers and mowbray only 3 that play great football? lol

    some froeign managers fail just like some birtish managers do. some foreign managers succeed just like some british managers do.

    they key here is everton and west ham dont want to be safe and reliable but having fans not wanting to watch games. thats football today, i know i dont enjoy going ricoh as much these days even though im a fa of robins,but compared to mowbray days its just not as exciting even if we are "better"

    if everton appointed eddie howe many on this forum would be orgasming, but as its silva and he wasnt born in this country hes just another foreign manager who will fail. look at what hes done in portugal,with hull and watford,yes 1 got relegated and other ended badly after he publically courted to go everton and it broke down but the guy imo has something about him, i think everton will do well.
     
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    But has silva been at a club for more than a year? hardly a polished CV but I hope he does well as I like Everton. The issue is that virtually every club in the prem expects to be a top 10 side and when it doesn't happen the manager gets the bullet. Everton finished 8th so they are going to have to go some to top that in my opinion.
     
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    they started season as top 4 outsiders due to their spend, big things were expected. now or never for them perhaps if they want to become a big big team in world football
     
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    still got a long way in my opinion but again it all depends on what the rest do. A lot of teams have to spend big to compete with Man City. Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea will spend big, Spurs probably wont but will still be up there. I think its about who you can attract to the club as we know that Europe is virtually doubling prices when a premier league club comes calling these days.
     
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    Spurs will be who can they keep rather than get.

    Man City will bring in two and Chelsea will try this year, Liverpool already have players signed. Man Utd will spend as Jose always does. Arsenal should be the worried ones. Everton are a seventh placed side at best and all the middle teams need to worry about Wolves.
     
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    Playing the “West Ham way” or in the traditions of Everton is deluded bollocks.

    West Ham had their most success when Julian Dicks was smashing anything that moved and Ince snarling and maurauding in the middle.

    In the end all clubs want is to win. Arsenal play better football now then when Vierra, Petit and Adams were causing mayhem. Think they wouldn’t roll back the clock?
     
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    I hate West Ham due the West Ham way bullshit
     
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    no they dont play better football now. having solely flair players is not better. arsenal played majestic stuff back then and both viera and petit could pass and even drive forward with ball at feet at times.

    but keeping ball on deck is conmsidered pretty and thats what west ham and everton fans want, wether it is in their DNA or traditions means little, the fans are very vocal about what they want.

    everton in particular harbour ambitions to break into the elite with their new chairmen and clogger football doesnt get you there in any league really.
     
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    Nothing to do with nationality etc. It's just a fashionable trend to bring in foreign coaches - many with pretty ordinary CVs - and expect some miraculous transformation of fortune. West Ham & Everton are two specific cases because their fans have particular associations with the type of football they expect to see (West Ham way etc.) but when it doesn't work they are quick to start looking for another type of coach who will get them out of trouble. West Ham could well have been going down before Moyes came in and got an average squad up the table. His reward is the push.
    It's been the same argument at Utd where Utd fans have slowly accepted results over performance - Utd have a more recent history of a fooball-style than West Ham or Everton. Moyes already paid the price at Utd by sacrificing the style whilst not producing the results.
    As far as British managers go personally I'm gutted to see Warnock bringing his brand of football back to the Premier League. Intrigued to see how Wolves go with Santo in PL.
    If anything what i don't like is the developing trend of specialist fire-fighting managers. Parachuted in for 6 months then out again. Still the odds are pretty good we'll see BFS doing th same role again next season at another failing PL club.
    Again i'll remind you that I said when BFS was appointed he'd be gone in the summer (once he had saved them) because Everton fans wouldn't like his style of football
     
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    West Ham have the most deluded fans and reputation in the country. The only reason they have this image is that they are hyped up by the London press. If they were a northern club like Blackpool (who had great traditions in the 50’s) no one would look at them twice. Their heroes such as Billy Bonds and Ince were just thugs.

    Arsenal? One nil to the Arsenal under George graham? They’d bite their hands off for they now.
     
  26. Captain Dart

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    Spoiled brats.
     
  27. covcity4life

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    i think graham and diego simeone now is a defensive effective style of football that works. as we saw last night in europa final they can hurt you with incisive passing too

    fans dont have issue with solid defence, i mean ac milan sacchi and capello teams are legendary

    its the big punt forwards that their fans just dont want to put up with right now these days
     
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    But Everton fans accepted (even celebrated ) years of Moyes's football which apparently now is unpalatable to West Ham fans. Everton have a history of playing with a big no9 and getting the ball into him.
    koeman had Everton playing the football that kept the fans happy in his 1st season then the club sold Lukaku and didn't give him a new striker.
    West Ham ended up converting Arnautovic into a striker because they have failed to buy a good one and basically had Payet carrying them until he went last season. Been buying big lump centre-haves for years. Bilic played a lot of his football around this and set-pieces (West Ham fans loved it & him until results dried up)
     
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    I agree but i dont quite get your point

    They liked bilic tikl results went awry. What they wabt is him replaced with another manager who plays football on deck not hoodball merchsnt. Who r we to tell thrm they shid judt be happy?

    90s are long gone unforutnley. Days of duncan fergurson too. If everton want to break top 6 all power to them.

    Allardyce got a lot of points i get that. He was successful at goodison park. BUT they had least shots on target per game in prem aparently. Thats terrible for match going fans and they have a right to ask for a different style

    If you think about it prem is either survival or medicore mid table. Why not have a go at big success? If you fail just bring in a allardyce or moyes to sure it up and then go agsin next season. Whats thr appeal of just aiming for medicority?

    Food for thought. Good debate btw
     

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