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Otis · Jan 24, 2016

He just doesn't take care of the ball very well. He really worries me in that defensive midfield role.

Further up the pitch losing possession can prove to be less costly, but his distribution in our own half when it goes wayward is a big concern.

If he is going to play, I would like to see him in a different position.

idm1975 · Jan 24, 2016

Being not as good as a player as Fleck does not make him a bad player.

Perryccfc · Jan 24, 2016

Why is it bigi getting a battering this week? He was no way the worst player yesterday. Ricketts was hopeless but barely been mentioned, Hunt was poor, Ramage looked lost, Vincelot struggled. Pretty much everyone was shocking but bigi gets the brunt of the blame. Only Haynes and Cole for me come out with any credit.

idm1975 · Jan 24, 2016

Perryccfc said:
Why is it bigi getting a battering this week? He was no way the worst player yesterday. Ricketts was hopeless but barely been mentioned, Hunt was poor, Ramage looked lost, Vincelot struggled. Pretty much everyone was shocking but bigi gets the brunt of the blame. Only Haynes and Cole for me come out with any credit.

You must have been stood in the same place as me, thats how i saw the game too.

Otis · Jan 24, 2016

Perryccfc said:
Why is it bigi getting a battering this week? He was no way the worst player yesterday. Ricketts was hopeless but barely been mentioned, Hunt was poor, Ramage looked lost, Vincelot struggled. Pretty much everyone was shocking but bigi gets the brunt of the blame. Only Haynes and Cole for me come out with any credit.

I don't see anyone blaming Bigi for yesterday. People are just giveing their general impression upon him since his return and also, as he is playing in the same role as Fleck, there is an obvious camparison there to be made.

idm1975 · Jan 24, 2016

Being a different player, and not as good, does not make him a bad player.

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee · Jan 24, 2016

eastwoodsdustman said:
Didn't think he played too badly today. A couple of over hit crosses but that was the only thing I thought he did wrong. It was noticeable that the first time he overhit a cross that there were a few itching to jump on any mistake he made and they did it with aplomb.

This. I've made a note of this to some mates who have generally observed and agreed. Fleck can misplace 15 passes in a game in sometimes suicidal areas and no one bats an eyelid, bigi does it and it's like he's just declared he's a villa fan. Fleck has had a good season but it sounds like some people in here are comparing bigi to Xavi not John fleck!

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Otis · Jan 24, 2016

idm1975 said:
Being a different player, and not as good, does not make him a bad player.

And as I have quite clearly said, I don't think he is a bad player. He very much worries me though in that Fleck role.

Otis · Jan 24, 2016

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee said:
This. I've made a note of this to some mates who have generally observed and agreed. Fleck can misplace 15 passes in a game in sometimes suicidal areas and no one bats an eyelid, bigi does it and it's like he's just declared he's a villa fan. Fleck has had a good season but it sounds like some people in here are comparing bigi to Xavi not John fleck!

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15 misplaced passes in suicidal areas in one game? You sure about that?

Fleck looks assured on the ball and is more confident. Bigi is edgy and seems to find it harder to bring the ball under control at times and his passes to at times seem a lot more hurried than Fleck's.

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee · Jan 24, 2016

You've misquoted what I said... 15 misplaced passes, sometimes in suicidal areas. I don't think Bigi is particularly great and isn't a like for like replacement for fleck, my issue is that people are slating him when he hasn't been particularly bad, unlike ricketts yesterday, and also are making out like fleck is this miracle working midfielder who everyone should aspire to be

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Perryccfc · Jan 24, 2016

Otis said:
15 misplaced passes in suicidal areas in one game? You sure about that?

Fleck looks assured on the ball and is more confident. Bigi is edgy and seems to find it harder to bring the ball under control at times and his passes to at times seem a lot more hurried than Fleck's.

I honestly couldn't disagree more. Bigi to me looks assured. Everything he does is slick. He's not the best defensively and doesn't put himself about enough I would agree with that. But I technical ability I think is very good. Fleck is busier but I don't think there's much between them in footballing ability.

Otis · Jan 24, 2016

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee said:
You've misquoted what I said... 15 misplaced passes, sometimes in suicidal areas. I don't think Bigi is particularly great and isn't a like for like replacement for fleck, my issue is that people are slating him when he hasn't been particularly bad, unlike ricketts yesterday, and also are making out like fleck is this miracle working midfielder who everyone should aspire to be

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I don't think I have ever seen John Fleck make 15 misplaced passes in a game. Sounds widely exaggerated I would say.

Otis · Jan 24, 2016

Perryccfc said:
I honestly couldn't disagree more. Bigi to me looks assured. Everything he does is slick. He's not the best defensively and doesn't put himself about enough I would agree with that. But I technical ability I think is very good. Fleck is busier but I don't think there's much between them in footballing ability.

Bigi looks assured? Really? Okay, everyone's entitled to their opinion of course, but there have been a number of incidents where he has even struggled to get the ball under control before he even begins to think about a pass.

He seems rushed a lot of the time and not calm at all. I would describe him as a busy player and not really assured at all. I don't see Fleck even half as busy as Bigi. Him and Fleck are two completely different players and if Bigi is to be in the side I would like to see him higher up the pitch.

Esoterica · Jan 24, 2016

Should probably turn this thread around - what are Bigi's attributes and what is his ideal position on the pitch?

steveo1987 · Jan 24, 2016

Perryccfc said:
Why is it bigi getting a battering this week? He was no way the worst player yesterday. Ricketts was hopeless but barely been mentioned, Hunt was poor, Ramage looked lost, Vincelot struggled. Pretty much everyone was shocking but bigi gets the brunt of the blame. Only Haynes and Cole for me come out with any credit.

A little unfair as Ricketts is probably up there as a candidate for player of the season.It was Hunt's first game so is not applicable.Bigi as otis mentioned is out of position.He would be better off further up the field because he can do more damage.How many defence splitting balls can he play from where he is playing? Not many at all,he has the talent,just needs to push up a bit.

mechaishida · Jan 24, 2016

Esoterica said:
Should probably turn this thread around - what are Bigi's attributes and what is his ideal position on the pitch?

Ideally, his position would be in Newcastle reserves, on the bench.

Grendel · Jan 24, 2016

Why he was bought back is a complete mystery and as I said weeks ago an error of judgement.

No better than Connor Thomas but with less energy.

I admit though I got it wrong as I said at the time he's an average league one player.

He's not even that.

letsallsingtogether · Jan 24, 2016

Grendel said:
Why he was bought back is a complete mystery and as I said weeks ago an error of judgement.

No better than Connor Thomas but with less energy.

I admit though I got it wrong as I said at the time he's an average league one player.

He's not even that.

And you can tell that from listening to the radio?

letsallsingtogether · Jan 24, 2016

Grendel said:
Why he was bought back is a complete mystery and as I said weeks ago an error of judgement.

No better than Connor Thomas but with less energy.

I admit though I got it wrong as I said at the time he's an average league one player.

He's not even that.

idm1975 · Jan 24, 2016

Cannot take grendel's assessment of any player seriously because its based on whether he likes them or not and nothing else.

Esoterica · Jan 24, 2016

idm1975 said:
Cannot take grendel's assessment of any player seriously because its based on whether he likes them or not and nothing else.

So where should he play in the midfield? It's all well and good looking assured or having a good first touch but if he can't pass forward or accurately quickly enough and as he's not a defensive midfielder then I don't see what he adds to the team, in any way.

Grendel · Jan 24, 2016

idm1975 said:
Cannot take grendel's assessment of any player seriously because its based on whether he likes them or not and nothing else.

It's you that seems weirdly obsessed with him.

I guess your somewhat annoyed as it seems the majority agree with my assessment of him.

Otis · Jan 24, 2016

Esoterica said:
So where should he play in the midfield? It's all well and good looking assured or having a good first touch but if he can't pass forward or accurately quickly enough and as he's not a defensive midfielder then I don't see what he adds to the team, in any way.

He is NOT a defensive midfielder in my book. Scares the life out of me there. Too much wayward distribution.

If you asked me though where I should play him I would honestly have to say I just don't know. Can't see where he fits in our side.

idm1975 · Jan 24, 2016

Grendel said:
It's you that seems weirdly obsessed with him.

I guess your somewhat annoyed as it seems the majority agree with my assessment of him.

And what is your assessment and how did you come to it?

Grendel · Jan 24, 2016

idm1975 said:
And what is your assessment and how did you come to it?

That he is mediocre in the extreme. I come to that observation by watching him play

covcity4life · Jan 24, 2016

Only ever seen him.at ricoh this year. Always done alrigjt bar his 10 min debut.

Come.on here and ppl rate him a 4 or something so definitely some hatred going on lol

letsallsingtogether · Jan 24, 2016

Was by no means the worst player yesterday yet he has to take all the flack for the team, funny but RCC has had a nightmare month but hey he is learning and that is OK. .......
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rob9872 · Jan 24, 2016

Never rated him but more forgiving of our own so more patient with Haynes rcc maddison etc he went for the cash wasn't good enough came back and still not good enough. He will be at Nuneaton in two years.

We owe him nothing and whilst not to blame for recent demise as many poor performances around him, I can't find a single thing that has been positive about his return. People having a go at hunt after one game and were not forgiving to Cole, at least they have done it and can hopefully recapture form. Bigi I'm afraid imo will never make it.

Grendel · Jan 24, 2016

rob9872 said:
Never rated him but more forgiving of our own so more patient with Haynes rcc maddison etc he went for the cash wasn't good enough came back and still not good enough. He will be at Nuneaton in two years.

We owe him nothing and whilst not to blame for recent demise as many poor performances around him, I can't find a single thing that has been positive about his return. People having a go at hunt after one game and were not forgiving to Cole, at least they have done it and can hopefully recapture form. Bigi I'm afraid imo will never make it.

Agree 100%

Hobo · Jan 24, 2016

Strange Grendel and Rob9872 are not working for Premier League clubs, they could save them a fortune trying to develop lost causes.

Gint11 · Jan 24, 2016

Not sure what Bigi brings to the team myself. Too much side passing, nothing going forward, nothing going back. Pretty ineffective.

Macca · Jan 24, 2016

We should do a sentimental but not very good 11

Londonccfcfan · Jan 24, 2016

Pretty much agree with the consensus.

btw did anyone see JOB have a right old go at him after the penalty was given, can't figure out why job is laying into him for. Bigi seemed rattled.

Grendel · Jan 24, 2016

Hobo said:
Strange Grendel and Rob9872 are not working for Premier League clubs, they could save them a fortune trying to develop lost causes.

Don't get your point.

He is a lost cause to Newcastle. They want rid.

We seem to be the only taker.

Why?

letsallsingtogether · Jan 24, 2016

Grendel said:
Don't get your point.

He is a lost cause to Newcastle. They want rid.

We seem to be the only taker.

Why?

Most of our players are lost causes according to you.

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