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An example of a shit, underpaid job doesn't disprove another job is shit, and undrpaid.
If being a binman is such a bed of roses, why aren't we all battering down the doors to apply?
An example of a shit, underpaid job doesn't disprove another job is shit, and undrpaid.Was just an example
Let's not pretend bin men are on their hands and knees scrubbing up the mess of the rich people for a pittance. They don't take it if they deem it to be in the wrong place, too heavy, has something in it that shouldn't be in it etc anyway for health and safety.
I didn't say it wasn't a bed of roses, I said the wages weren't as bad as made out.An example of a shit, underpaid job doesn't disprove another job is shit, and undrpaid.
If being a binman is such a bed of roses, why aren't we all battering down the doors to apply?
That's because nw just asked me what other job, so I gave an example of one.They don't set those rules. You keep referencing other jobs but it's a non argument. Two wrongs don't make a right.
How long ago was that nick?I didn't say it wasn't a bed of roses, I said the wages weren't as bad as made out.
You asked what other job, I just gave an example I know more about.
I wouldn't apply now, but if I was 18/19 living at home again or with minimal outgoings it would have been better than the 10k I was getting paid then..
I had a job on 12k about 10 years ago I think it was, that was skilled with experience needed in it. Bin men earnt more than me then easily.How long ago was that nick?
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Didn't say you were. You need to factor in inflation though, which was the only reason I asked.I had a job on 12k about 10 years ago I think it was, that was skilled with experience needed in it. Bin men earnt more than me then easily.
10k was about 14 years ago I think.
I was on 17k - 18k 8 years ago when I had a kid and bought a house. It's liveable, a struggle but liveable.
It's not coming at it from a snob point of view, it's from somebody who.has had shit jobs and wages point of view so don't think it's too bad.
Didn't say you were. You need to factor in inflation though, which was the only reason I asked.
12k 10 years ago is the equivalent of £15.7k now
10k 14 years ago is the equivalent of £22.3k now
17k 8 years ago is the equivalent of £21.5k
£12,000 in 2007 → 2017 | UK Inflation Calculator
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#SHFWF! B-)Didn't say you were. You need to factor in inflation though, which was the only reason I asked.
12k 10 years ago is the equivalent of £15.7k now
10k 14 years ago is the equivalent of £22.3k now
17k 8 years ago is the equivalent of £21.5k
£12,000 in 2007 → 2017 | UK Inflation Calculator
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So if that's the minimum starting wage, how will that impact every other job? Every other job will go up too.Given that Universal benefit Is set at around £21K so that 'WORK' pays I'd say that should be the base! :$
No every other job should maintain the differential, although that's probably already shrunk through minimum /living wage legislation.So if that's the minimum starting wage, how will that impact every other job? Every other job will go up too.
I'd say benefit should go down
But if every job gets a pay rise, the cost of everything shoots up with it doesn't it?No every other job should maintain the differential, although that's probably already shrunk through minimum /living wage legislation.
Anyone over £70K a year has to swallow the pill, sorry Grendel.
Seriously though wages have shrunk through inflation and now Austerity fo a good while, that needs redressing.
As ever I ask where Is all the money going as the need for workers both skilled and unskilled across technologies /services disappeare via automation, robots AI etc, and what is going to happen to all the folk left redundant?
There will be many more to come.
They have already Nick through the weakness of our currency impacting the people we're talking about the hardest and economists tell us that's all good.But if every job gets a pay rise, the cost of everything shoots up with it doesn't it?
I agree between rich and poor but if you give the bin man 21k, the driver wants 50k. Lorry drivers want 50k, things cost more to be delivered etc.They have already Nick through the weakness of our currency impacting the people we're talking about the hardest and economists tell us that's all good.
We've had the likes of Boris and Farage championing increases last summer and said Economists begging for some inflation.
These guys depending on their politics usually find there way around it.
What really is true and undeniable as stats show is that the divide is wider than ever between rich and poor.
That imbalance has to stop and be redressed.
Where's the incentive to work if universal benefit is worth more?I agree between rich and poor but if you give the bin man 21k, the driver wants 50k. Lorry drivers want 50k, things cost more to be delivered etc.
What incentive is there to learn and progress if you can walk into a 20k job with no experience or qualifications.
The same as there's no incentive now to push bins about if you can get more on benefits. I'm sure there used to be waiting lists to be one.
It's all well and good giving everybody a pay rise but we will all be paying it in the end.
Where's the incentive to work if universal benefit is worth more?
Why do you and I as taxpayers subsidise wages for the low paid through tax credits whilst CEOs and shareholders take all the profits? You really want to start thinking beyond what the tabloids tell you.
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Where's the incentive to work if universal benefit is worth more?
Why do you and I as taxpayers subsidise wages for the low paid through tax credits whilst CEOs and shareholders take all the profits? You really want to start thinking beyond what the tabloids tell you.
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But there's not a queue of people breaking down doors to be a bin man.
Given the job conditions and the service it provides, I'd pay them more.
How much would you say a normal bin man should be on?
If they don't start carrying their weight, I'd bin them all off.A sack load.
If you can earn more not working then working then I think there's a serious issue with the benefits system. 17k for unskilled labour is enough.
No, there is an issue with pay.
Please explain. I just want to understand your view point.
No, there is an issue with pay.
Please explain. I just want to understand your view point.
So we give everybody a pay rise, then benefits just go up again.
Why on earth would benefits be higher than jobs a lot people can get after gaining a degree for example?
Why do benefits go up?
It is simple. Benefits should be enough to cover the cost of living for somebody who is out of work, that's what they exist for. Whether they do or not is down to personal circumstance, but they probably do just about do for your average person.
If pay is worth less than benefits then there is a serious issue with pay. In the UK, real pay has stagnated for low earners for years and years whilst it has grown for those at the top.
The UK government has known for years that there is an issue with pay, but due to Tory and New Labour obsession with courting the very rich, failed to deal with the route cause of it and instead spend money topping up pay through tax credits and allowed the situation to exacerbate.
More fun than being a bin man. I'd take a lower salary for better conditions.What if there is a small design agency for example looking to hire a graduate fresh out of uni, usually they would be able to give them £15k - £17k starting out.
More fun than being a bin man. I'd take a lower salary for better conditions.
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