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He needs to have a business model that pays his staff a decent wage
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He needs to have a business model that pays his staff a decent wageYes but if they all had to have a pay rise to overtake benefits who covers it? It's a small business run by a bloke who takes a very modest wage himself. No fatcat CEOs on 150k for doing nothing.
He needs to pull an extra few K a year out of the bag.
He needs to have a business model that pays his staff a decent wage
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He needs to have a business model that pays his staff a decent wage
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I have a small business, I would be very interested in the secret that will allow me (whilst barely getting by) that gifts me the opportunity of paying 20% more for materials (due to that sterling rate), not being able to pass this on to the end user, whilst enjoying a life changing pay rise?Just out of interest what do you do for a living?
Most small businesses barely scrape by so adding a 5k+ over night to the payroll is just ludicrous.
Why do you keep talking about benefits? You're even more obtuse than AstuteHe would be paying them the average going rate for that job with their experience and qualifications. To suddenly just whack thousands onto that because of benefits is laughable.
What happens if a care home business needs to suddenly pay their 100 carers £20k instead of £14k so it's more than benefits. That's £600k a year they need to find, so they will need to whack their prices up to cover that.
It's easy to say "pay people more" so that benefits aren't so tempting and it encourages people to work, where does all of the money come from to pay them all the extra few grand a year? This isn't just the people on £15k, as you give them a £5k payrise you have to give the people above them a payrise, then the people above them.
What's happening with those corporation tax savings?He would be paying them the average going rate for that job with their experience and qualifications. To suddenly just whack thousands onto that because of benefits is laughable.
What happens if a care home business needs to suddenly pay their 100 carers £20k instead of £14k so it's more than benefits. That's £600k a year they need to find, so they will need to whack their prices up to cover that.
It's easy to say "pay people more" so that benefits aren't so tempting and it encourages people to work, where does all of the money come from to pay them all the extra few grand a year? This isn't just the people on £15k, as you give them a £5k payrise you have to give the people above them a payrise, then the people above them.
More fun than being a bin man. I'd take a lower salary for better conditions.
And we can live without advertising, too...
I'm a buyer. Can you tell me what you mean by small business? SME / Micro Business?Just out of interest what do you do for a living?
Most small businesses barely scrape by so adding a 5k+ over night to the payroll is just ludicrous.
Why do you keep talking about benefits? You're even more obtuse than Astute
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Where's the incentive to work if universal benefit is worth more?
I think you will find they are called "non binary, gender undefined, refuse colleagues.sorry rubbish subject but what are the strikes in Birmingham over? Are they being reduced in numbers? How are cov council workers affected with the change to a 2 week cycle?
I'm a buyer. Can you tell me what you mean by small business? SME / Micro Business?
I'm not sure why you and Obtuse II think I'm advocating wage rises across the board.
I'm just making the general point that the alleged growth and strength in the British economy is a load of bollocks, and what growth there is is swallowed up chiefly by executive pay.
This is aided by people like Nick with the race to the bottom mentality.
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Where have i said wages should go up across the board? I'm just making the point that pay in the UK is shite.Because the discussion was to raise wages above benefits rather than decrease the benefit amount.
Where does all the money come from for the raised salaries?
Remember when the living wage (the real one not the one that is being brought in) was being discussed one big chain, forget who, said that they would have to increase prices to be able to pay it. Somebody calculated how many of their employees it would impact and how many hours and the extra wages came to less than 5% of the previous years profit.A company I used to work for (1000 shops) cut store running hours by 5% when the minimum wage went up from £7.20 to £7.50 earlier in the year.
I'm not sure what they would do if it was suddenly upped to say a tenner an hour.
Where have i said wages should go up across the board? I'm just making the point that pay in the UK is shite.
What's happening to the gap between inflation and pay growth Nick?
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For clarity the Universal Credit /benefit is per household, designed to bring down some of the extravagant lifestyles of folks with 8 kids etc.Because the discussion was to raise wages above benefits rather than decrease the benefit amount.
Where does all the money come from for the raised salaries?
Universal income is an interesting topic. The (very basic) theory of it is that given how much the benefit system costs in both payments and administration you could give every person a wage that is enough to cover a basic standard of living.Which jobs should be increased and which should stay under the amount they could get on benefits if it isn't across the board so there is an incentive?
What job do you do?Which jobs should be increased and which should stay under the amount they could get on benefits if it isn't across the board so there is an incentive?
I haven't mentioned executives, politics etc. Just commented that realistically £17k for a bin man job isn't actually that bad. It's as you say though, why would people bother when they can get paid more on benefits?
Isn't the cap 26k per household? Or has that been reduced? Or is 20k the net equivalent?For clarity the Universal Credit /benefit is per household, designed to bring down some of the extravagant lifestyles of folks with 8 kids etc.
But I maintain that £20K is fair as an incentive to get out of bed at 5-30 in the morning.
17K will be considerably above what benefit one individual would receive while out of work.
The poverty line for a couple of pensioners is £237, how is being single or alone supposed to be easier if your take home is not much more than that?
Similar to tax credits when they were first introduced to support growth and encourage folk to accept roles where wages were indeed low.Universal income is an interesting topic. The (very basic) theory of it is that given how much the benefit system costs in both payments and administration you could give every person a wage that is enough to cover a basic standard of living.
The idea is that then any job you take is earning you more, you're never in a position where it doesn't pay to take an offered job. And of course if you wanted to pursue a career as a sportsperson, musician, actor or similar you could concentrate on that for a few years.
The theory goes that jobs then have to be made more attractive. Nobody would go and stack shelves in Tesco on a zero hour contract for minimum wage if they had the basic cost of living covered so Tesco would have to make the job more attractive via better pay and conditions.
Obviously you'd need to bring in things like rent control and other safeguards to ensure everything doesn't just shift up and leave you back where you started. Interesting idea but I can't see it happening here. They're trialling it in some places though. Finland, Canada and Italy being the most prominent.
Remember when the living wage (the real one not the one that is being brought in) was being discussed one big chain, forget who, said that they would have to increase prices to be able to pay it. Somebody calculated how many of their employees it would impact and how many hours and the extra wages came to less than 5% of the previous years profit.
That to me is a great illustration of the problem. Things need to be rebalanced.
How can it be justified that people working full time hours require benefits on top of their wages to survive when they are employed by the likes of Tesco who are making a fortune in profits. Its basically robbing the poor to pay the rich. Taxpayers are subsidising poor wages while those at the top walk away with millions.
What job do you do?
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I believe £21K is the cap FP where under the same circumstances it was £26K, you have induced doubt there for me now though. B-)Isn't the cap 26k per household? Or has that been reduced? Or is 20k the net equivalent?
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Bet you're looking forward to the trade deal with India post BrexitI work in IT.
Bet you're looking forward to the trade deal with India post Brexit
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For clarity the Universal Credit /benefit is per household, designed to bring down some of the extravagant lifestyles of folks with 8 kids etc.
But I maintain that £20K is fair as an incentive to get out of bed at 5-30 in the morning.
17K will be considerably above what benefit one individual would receive while out of work.
The poverty line for a couple of pensioners is £237, how is being single or alone supposed to be easier if your take home is not much more than that?
FP, I was a purchasing manager for years, I had 40+ staff, buyers, blanket order buyers, purchase ledger staff etc... I had the power to list products with large multi nationals, nationals and 'tied in' independents.I'm a buyer. Can you tell me what you mean by small business? SME / Micro Business?
I'm not sure why you and Obtuse II think I'm advocating wage rises across the board.
I'm just making the general point that the alleged growth and strength in the British economy is a load of bollocks, and what growth there is is swallowed up chiefly by executive pay.
This is aided by people like Nick with the race to the bottom mentality.
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Depends what your job is.Probably because the decisions they make directly influence the performance of a company. Where as the rest of us are just numbers and very replaceable.
Eh?Why do you keep talking about benefits? You're even more obtuse than Astute
Come on Nick.But if the 17k is still a lot more than somebody would get not working, why is there no incentive to do it?
£20k would be pretty decent for a job you can walk into without qualifications and experience. There are graduate jobs with degrees and experience needed for much less than that.
Come on Nick.
I have moved about a fair bit. One move I did about 25 years ago gave me an idea what bin men do....although it was binbags them days. And they weren't left at the gate either. I got the job the day after moving area. I stayed in the job for 2 weeks until I got the job I trained for. I took a pay cut. But once doing the job I wanted I looked for a better paid job doing the same. Eventually I ended up working for the company I do now. I have been with them for over 20 years.
Or I could have stayed as a binman because it paid more than the next job I took.
But they are still out in all kinds of weather. 17k is well below the average wage. But you are making out it is a good wage. My wife earns more than that. And her job is easy. 8am to 4:30pm Monday to Thursday and a half day Friday. By what you are saying she must be vastly overpaid. She works in IT.Yep, but bin men aren't walking up gardens and steps and carrying bin bags and steel bins on their backs down to the truck to throw them in and then take them back up again any more. I can understand if that was the case.
If you had trained for another job then surely that would influence whether you were a bin man or pushing a wheelbarrow on a building site anyway?
But they are still out in all kinds of weather. 17k is well below the average wage. But you are making out it is a good wage. My wife earns more than that. And her job is easy. 8am to 4:30pm Monday to Thursday and a half day Friday. By what you are saying she must be vastly overpaid. She works in IT.
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