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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 16, 2021
  • #36
Evo1883 said:
PS : Join a union , a proper union that will stand up to the employer

Also deleted my first reply as again , I don't know if I can trust people on here to not be on the blower to CCC
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Good on you doing it, more power to you and others in similar positions.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2021
  • #37
rob9872 said:
I didn't bite, but as you've gone in again with a personal dig, then yes. It's not a skilled job, it doesn't say anything about the people doing it, but there are no skills required so it pays market forces. When there aren't people willing to do it wages will increase, until then move on if its not suitable, but why should residents suffer for selfishness?
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And the market forces are pushing for higher wages. Why shouldn’t they? If the council think it’s worth risking service or even sacking everyone and rehiring they’re welcome to.

Asking for a decent wage isn’t selfish. Using whatever tools you have to negotiate that is exactly those market forces you’re worshipping. The labour market.
 
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2021
  • #38
rob9872 said:
It's not a skilled job, it doesn't say anything about the people doing it, but there are no skills required so it pays market forces. When there aren't people willing to do it wages will increase, until then move on if its not suitable, but why should residents suffer for selfishness?
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Isn't that the whole point. There's a massive shortage of HGV drivers and wages have increased.

If all the HGV drivers leave given the shortage and low wages who would take the job?
 
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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2021
  • #39
Trust the Leamington and Warwick member to be a tory

Fair days pay for a fair days work
 
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rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2021
  • #40
HGV drivers are skilled, so there are others who will pay more, leave and work for them. Rolling bins to the back of a truck, not so much.

Leaving residents with rubbish that they're paying to be moved is wrong.
 

rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2021
  • #41
David O'Day said:
Trust the Leamington and Warwick member to be a tory
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Trust the semtex kid to dislike Tories
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2021
  • #42
rob9872 said:
Trust the semtex kid to dislike Tories
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Trust the daily mail reader to hate the working class
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 16, 2021
  • #43
chiefdave said:
I never understand the 'I haven't had a pay rise so nobody should get one' idea. If bills are going up shouldn't we be pushing for everyone to get pay rises?
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Oddly as that creates catastrophic wage inflation
 

rob9872

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  • Dec 16, 2021
  • #44
clint van damme said:
Trust the daily mail reader to hate the working class
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Never read the mail, not in L&W supporters, bit let's not let the truth get in the way of a tabloid headline. I think we know who the mail readers really are
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2021
  • #45
Grendel said:
Oddly as that creates catastrophic wage inflation
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Oddly when inflation exceeds wage growth for years it devalues the security of full time work
 
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rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2021
  • #46
Evo1883 said:
Rob , probably on way more money than me , telling me why I'm not worth more money ..

On yer bike lad
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I didn't say you weren't worth more, I said market forces will dictate your rate, not holding a gun to someone's head. There are other jobs out there, if you're not happy with what you get for what you do then move ascwecall have to.

Unions dragging us back to the 70s
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2021
  • #47
rob9872 said:
Never read the mail, not in L&W supporters, bit let's not let the truth get in the way of a tabloid headline. I think we know who the mail readers really are
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Not denying the hating the working class bit!

Low blow admittedly but your general tone on this thread doesn't come across well to be honest.
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2021
  • #48
rob9872 said:
I didn't say you weren't worth more, I said market forces will dictate your rate, not holding a gun to someone's head. There are other jobs out there, if you're not happy with what you get for what you do then move ascwecall have to.

Unions dragging us back to the 70s
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And the market has determined my wage to be more than what I get .. hence the strike action .

Cheers
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2021
  • #49
Grendel said:
Oddly as that creates catastrophic wage inflation
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Catastrophic wage inflation is a real concern when discussing the wages of lorry drivers but strangely never an issue when discussing massive salary increases for CEOs.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2021
  • #50
rob9872 said:
I didn't say you weren't worth more, I said market forces will dictate your rate, not holding a gun to someone's head. There are other jobs out there, if you're not happy with what you get for what you do then move ascwecall have to.

Unions dragging us back to the 70s
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Yeah how dare workers combine to collectively improve working conditions
 
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rob9872

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  • Dec 16, 2021
  • #51
clint van damme said:
Not denying the hating the working class bit!

Low blow admittedly but your general tone on this thread doesn't come across well to be honest.
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I'm working class ffs, nothing wrong with striving to do better and not expecting someone else to do it for you.

If it helps my ancestors are fruit and veg marketeers, my my mum was a hairdresser. Am I allowed in now?
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2021
  • #52
rob9872 said:
I'm working class ffs, nothing wrong with striving to do better and not expecting someone else to do it for you.

If it helps my ancestors are fruit and veg marketeers, my my mum was a hairdresser. Am I allowed in now?
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Then you should be fully behind low paid workers demanding to be paid fairly .. it's as simple as that and the last thing I will say on the matter on this forum
 
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rob9872

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  • Dec 16, 2021
  • #53
Evo1883 said:
And the market has determined my wage to be more than what I get .. hence the strike action .

Cheers
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The private market has. You're not in the private market. You could be, move jobs get better pay. Nobody is denying you that. If people won't work for the council rates they'll increase, until then fo the job you're paid to do. You have a contract, I assume how pissed off would you be if they didn't honour their side and paid you late, less or not at all?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2021
  • #54
rob9872 said:
The private market has. You're not in the private market. You could be, move jobs get better pay. Nobody is denying you that. If people won't work for the council rates they'll increase, until then fo the job you're paid to do. You have a contract, I assume how pissed off would you be if they didn't honour their side and paid you late, less or not at all?
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‘Just get a better paid job’

Why has nobody thought of that?
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2021
  • #55
rob9872 said:
I'm working class ffs, nothing wrong with striving to do better and not expecting someone else to do it for you.

If it helps my ancestors are fruit and veg marketeers, my my mum was a hairdresser. Am I allowed in now?
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No!!
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2021
  • #56
rob9872 said:
The private market has. You're not in the private market. You could be, move jobs get better pay. Nobody is denying you that. If people won't work for the council rates they'll increase, until then fo the job you're paid to do. You have a contract, I assume how pissed off would you be if they didn't honour their side and paid you late, less or not at all?
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I can't drop it

Birmingham Council, NOT private , have just been awarded a pay rise to over 9000 my rate and get 4.50 a day food allowance, so tell me how my little niche market doesn't determine my wage when I've just SHOWN you it does ?

For the same job too
 

rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2021
  • #57
Evo1883 said:
I can't drop it

Birmingham Council, NOT private , have just been awarded a pay rise to over 9000 my rate and get 4.50 a day food allowance, so tell me how my little niche market doesn't determine my wage when I've just SHOWN you it does ?

For the same job too
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Work for Birmingham then!
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2021
  • #58
rob9872 said:
Work for Birmingham then!
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It's like talking to my 9 year old daughter

Hi birmingham , got a job ?

None available , cheers

Now what
 
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rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2021
  • #59
Evo1883 said:
It's like talking to my 9 year old daughter

Hi birmingham , got a job ?

None available , cheers

Now what
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Of course tthere's none available, they pay more! That's the point.

If Aldi paid more than Tesco can an employee ask his store manager to pay him more? They can, but if the answer is no then their choice is lump it or apply to go and work for Aldi.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2021
  • #60
rob9872 said:
Of course tthere's none available, they pay more! That's the point.

If Aldi paid more than Tesco can an employee ask his store manager to pay him more? They can, but if the answer is no then their choice is lump it or apply to go and work for Aldi.
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Or alternatively join a union and attempt to bargain for a better deal as is their statutory right-despite the efforts of a certain party to dismantle these
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2021
  • #61
rob9872 said:
Of course tthere's none available, they pay more! That's the point.

If Aldi paid more than Tesco can an employee ask his store manager to pay him more? They can, but if the answer is no then their choice is lump it or apply to go and work for Aldi.
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Or go on strike
 
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Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2021
  • #62
rob9872 said:
Of course tthere's none available, they pay more! That's the point.

If Aldi paid more than Tesco can an employee ask his store manager to pay him more? They can, but if the answer is no then their choice is lump it or apply to go and work for Aldi.
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Sound , then don't moan when workers are trying to be paid fairly for the job they do , to be paid the rate they deserve to match their comrades doing to same job for other local authorities ..

Your Input here has been sadly dreadful , besides you don't live in Coventry? I should have skipped your opinion from the get go tbh ..it's meaningless
 

rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2021
  • #63
clint van damme said:
Or go on strike
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Very circular argument, but again at the expense of the residents not getting the service they are paying for.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2021
  • #64
rob9872 said:
Very circular argument, but again at the expense of the residents not getting the service they are paying for.
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What is the point of protest if not to be inconvenient?
 
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rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2021
  • #65
Evo1883 said:
Sound , then don't moan when workers are trying to be paid fairly for the job they do , to be paid the rate they deserve to match their comrades doing to same job for other local authorities ..

Your Input here has been sadly dreadful , besides you don't live in Coventry? I should have skipped your opinion from the get go tbh ..it's meaningless
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It was a general point to striking, I don't live in Cov any more no, but that doesn’t invalidate my opinion.

Comrades? Are we in the USSR?
 

rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2021
  • #66
Brighton Sky Blue said:
What is the point of protest if not to be inconvenient?
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I don't protest, never have. Not a fan of it tbh.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2021
  • #67
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Oddly when inflation exceeds wage growth for years it devalues the security of full time work
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So 20% wage rises led to job security ok
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2021
  • #68
rob9872 said:
Very circular argument, but again at the expense of the residents not getting the service they are paying for.
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Do you think we got the service we were paying for when Matt Hancock was giving multi million pound PPE contracts to the barman of his local?

Because without looking, and I'll apologise if I'm wrong, but I bet you've been more critical of this binman strike than about that daylight robbery.
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2021
  • #69
Anyway , it's cancelled until the 4th of January
 

TomRad85

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2021
  • #70
All I'm taking from this is bin men is brum get over 30k. Must live like Kings on that in brum.

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