SkyBlueDom26
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How can you prove either will happen
How can you prove either will happenWhich would your preference be?
Club play at St Andrews and get promoted
Club plays at Ricoh and doesn't.
How can you prove either will happen
But this is why the trust should be at the forefront. They can arrange these things
The wasps protest was arranged a few days before - and the trust who do have influence, made it clear they weren’t involved. Of course it wouldn’t be as popular
If the trust started whipping up pressure and condemning Wasps for being here - the fans would unite behind them.
And you’re right we need Eastwood in a room, it’s not going to happen though when the clubs own supporters trust is deflecting any questions about the indemnity
Promotion at the ricoh would be the perfect outcomeI can't. It's more likely than not we'll play at StAns and not get promoted. It could be that the pitch there also deteriorates over the season and doesn't support our style of play long term. It's also possible we could come back and get promoted. But I do definitely feel that the Ricoh pitch would be more likely to deteriorate and have a detrimental effect on our style of play as the season progressed, which would have an affect on the mood of the crowd and therefore our chances of promotion are probably greater at StAns than the Ricoh.
It was purely a hypothetical exercise of what would people prefer if they had to choose. Some would choose to play in Coventry regardless, I'd prefer promotion.
Which would your preference be?
Club play at St Andrews and get promoted
Club plays at Ricoh and doesn't.
Very telling that Nick, who has as many members, won’t do anything and Grendel when asked to put his money where his mouth was did a Brave Sir Robin and ran away.
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Promotion at the ricoh would be the perfect outcome
I don’t see the correlation but playing at the Ricoh clearly. The analogy with Biamou is stupid
The real question is who you’d keep when you know Godden is on a two year contract that is twice our revenue and will result in liquidation
What’s the answer then?
The fan base is divided you’re right. The trust is the vehicle that arranged two well received marchesI find it hard to believe people would swing behind the Trust TBH, they’re a bit of a busted flush in that respect.
They are a good legal vehicle to have ready should fan ownership need to be considered like it was a few years ago, right now there’s not much point to them. There’s nothing to stop other people from doing it, there’s no rules to this.
Frankly I think the issue is the fan base is divided, confused, and exhausted and just wants it sorted/to watch the games and that’s why we haven’t had mass protests. I think blaming the Trust for you not doing something is a pretty poor excuse and belies the fact that in all honesty, you just like having a pop at the one group of people to have got off their arses.
Very telling that Nick, who has as many members, won’t do anything and Grendel when asked to put his money where his mouth was did a Brave Sir Robin and ran away.
Personally I think it’s all a waste of time as I did when we were at Sixfields. I’m gonna focus on the footy and hope for the best. I went on the March, as I felt it was worthwhile to express our love for the club at that point. Now? Meh.
Hence why I was talking specifically about this season and the potential disruption to a winning team. I wasn't talking about future seasons and as I put in the original post for medium to long term sustainability we have to come back.
I also mentioned about the increase in TV revenue from going up to the Championship v the extra gate revenue from the Ricoh and which would be greater?
And your obviously forgetting the absurdity of the Ricoh?!?!
It's in Coventry, that is the ONLY plus side.
List pros and cons for the ricoh.
Pros.
•Its in Coventry.
Cons.
•Its owned by somebody who doesnt want us there.
•Come xmas the pitch will be shit.
•Its shit to get to for most fans unless you live in Holbrookes.
•Shit atmosphere.
•No decent boozers before the game.
•Money spent there goes direct to w**ps coffers.
•We don't own it.
Pros and Cons for St Andrews.
Pros.
•Good pitch (so far)
•No boo boys/negativity (as of yet)
•Easy to get to, plenty of free parking.
•Some decent boozers within stones throw.
•Earn bigger % on F&B sales (so I'm told).
•Good atmosphere (mentioned numerous times by MR and numerous players).
•Stadium rental agreement includes boxes/corporate (under w**ps at the Ricoh that was an extra at their discretion).
•The team and staff are made to feel welcome/wanted by BCFC and never were by w**ps.
•Longer we spend there, the less money were giving w**ps to keep them afloat.
Cons.
•Its not in Coventry.
So, other than it being in Coventry, can you give me one reason why we should be playing at the ricoh?
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The fan base is divided you’re right. The trust is the vehicle that arranged two well received marches
I could arrange a protest against wasps, but how do I get the BBC to put me on their shows, the fanbase Is not going to listen to Huckerbydublinwhelan
They have all these contacts, but are only happy to have a pop at sisu. The fans need an official direction.
I was on the marches. They arranged two good days out. Why can’t they do the same against wasps? Or why won’t they - a lot of fans opinion comes from what the trust tells them.
There is no guarantee for either of these scenarios. The ideal situation would be a return to the Ricoh and get promoted. That isn’t guaranteed either. We had an average attendance of 12 k last season. Surely with the results we have had, crowds would now be pushing the 15k mark. Both times we have been behind at St Andrews there has been lots of negative comments and calls from some of the crowd.Where I sit the players were being castigated for continuing to play it out from the back after Wash’s mistake even though we have played this way very successfully all season. Some football fans really act like they are brainless. I honestly haven’t noticed any difference in this between the Ricoh and St Andrews. Surely better to play in front of 15k mostly sky blues than 6 k mostly sky blues?Which would your preference be?
Club play at St Andrews and get promoted
Club plays at Ricoh and doesn't.
They are quick enough to (rightly) issue tons of statments, pages of condemnation of our owners......What are the Trust supposed to do? “Oh yeah, no worries we’ll make Wasps drop that condition”?...l.
Staying at St Andrews would be a disaster if we were promoted - we’d get much higher crowds in Coventry and would have to spend massively to be competitive
They are quick enough to (rightly) issue tons of statments, pages of condemnation of our owners.
They were quick enough to (rightly) organise a mass march and demo against the owners to bring us home from Northampton.
Why can they not
Issue tons of statments, pages of condemnation of Wasps' refusal to deal without holding an indemnify gun to CCFC's head.
Organise a mass march and demo against Wasps who are refsusing to deal without holding an indemnify gun to CCFC's head.
Once again, I was talking about THIS season and our current form. As far as I'm aware they don't do mid-season promotions.
So it was a stupid hypothesis and you also then muttered something about championship TV money exceeded Ricoh extra revenue so I assume it wasn’t just this one season
No, because we could complete the season at StAns and get promoted and thus the money for Championship football is secured with that promotion.
Then we could start next season potentially at the Ricoh.
Why would promotion influence a move to the Ricoh? It’s just a stupid sound byte
Why would promotion influence a move to the Ricoh? It’s just a stupid sound byte
He just keeps saying bring us home and mentioning some team called Team Fiat and look what happened to them
No, stay at SA and see how many turn up - for the promotion party.Stay at Stans all season until we are one game from winning promotion. Then back to the Ricoh for the promotion party.
Not saying we should play at the Ricoh, but a few more pros
It’s very easy to get to for those not living in Coventry.
Not really sure why a basketball team who were only in the city for 3 or 4 years before having to move to get sponsorship is a good comparison to our situation. Would have thought something like Brighton or Bristol Rovers was better.I saw Team Fiat at Wembley Arena when I was at school, they were a pro Basketball team from Coventry.
It wouldn't! FFS. You said that I must be talking about longer than one season because I mentioned about getting Championship level TV money. I then pointed out that that the money would be secured upon promotion THIS SEASON. We could then start the Championship season at either stadium but the TV money wouldn't be dependent on it.
I can't make out if you're again deliberately deflecting or just lack comprehension.
You’ve made a fool of yourself
There are no St. Andrews fansNo we can’t. I think the St. Andrews fans miss this point. We survived just over a year at sixfields . It simply doesn’t work.
Why can they not
Issue tons of statments, pages of condemnation of Wasps' refusal to deal without holding an indemnify gun to CCFC's head.
Organise a mass march and demo against Wasps who are refsusing to deal without holding an indemnify gun to CCFC's head.
He’s getting somewhere but 4 paragraph should of stadium requests followed by - “wasps it makes sense to have us at the Ricoh”
Is it not the case that it wouldn't have any effect on their stance? They made it very clear there would be no deal whilst there were legals. There are still legals (which were hidden by SISU and now can't be stopped). I think the indemnity is stupid, but I can see why Wasps put it in.
BTW, anyone who chooses to come back with "they're not legals", go and read/listen to what Boddy and Fisher have both said. Called them "legals", so that "argument" is finally put to bed.
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