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Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Aug 26, 2019

I still wonder how the league would deal with the promotion/relegation issue. Would they just promote more teams from the leagues below to fill the spaces or not relegate teams? With their often being issues regarding stadia, esp between league and non-league I expect the latter.

I've got a feeling the Bury one won't go through either because I reckon the buyers won't like the look of the books. Something about their owner I just find very untrustworthy, not to mention delusional.

Feel for the fans backroom/coaching staff and players.

stupot07 · Aug 26, 2019

standupforcity said:
I see Bolton's take over bid has collapsed and they face liquidation. So what happens to the points already played for involving Bolton, and those yet to be played for?

I guess if they get expelled, all points gained against them would be removed.

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Aug 26, 2019

stupot07 said:
Out of the 2 clubs, I'd rather Bolton get expelled from the league, it will have far greater impact given they are a recent Premier League Team and Scudamore has been a driving force into pushing football where it is now, creating the massive financial gap, that has driven up wages, and made clubs gamble to reach or stay in the promised land. Sad for the fans though.

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Maybe, but the PL won't care. They've still got the money flowing in so that's what matters. An ex-member is of no concern to them, which is the problem with the whole set-up. The can take all the advantages but disassociate themselves from all the problems it causes.

xcraigx · Aug 26, 2019

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I still wonder how the league would deal with the promotion/relegation issue. Would they just promote more teams from the leagues below to fill the spaces or not relegate teams? With their often being issues regarding stadia, esp between league and non-league I expect the latter.

I've got a feeling the Bury one won't go through either because I reckon the buyers won't like the look of the books. Something about their owner I just find very untrustworthy, not to mention delusional.

Feel for the fans backroom/coaching staff and players.

If Bolton and Bury are kicked out of the league then there are only 2 relegation spots in league 1. In league 2 I understand there would be no relegation and the usual 2 up from the National League to make up the FL 72.

no_loyalty · Aug 26, 2019

stupot07 said:
I guess if they get expelled, all points gained against them would be removed.

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So in hindsight a draw was a better result for us. Hopefully it doesn't get to that stage, and their takeover goes through.

SkyBlueSid · Aug 26, 2019

It is an appalling situation for both clubs and I'm sure several others must be in serious trouble too. It is disgraceful that there is so much money sloshing around at the top of the pyramid, yet a couple of steps down so many are struggling.

It really doesn't say much for the EFL that this has been allowed to happen. I believe their ideas of what a 'fit and proper person' is to run a club is far too easy going. Too many clubs, City included, are being run by people who lack competence or passion. The future of the game at our level isn't great.

Grendel · Aug 26, 2019

SkyBlueSid said:
It is an appalling situation for both clubs and I'm sure several others must be in serious trouble too. It is disgraceful that there is so much money sloshing around at the top of the pyramid, yet a couple of steps down so many are struggling.

It really doesn't say much for the EFL that this has been allowed to happen. I believe their ideas of what a 'fit and proper person' is to run a club is far too easy going. Too many clubs, City included, are being run by people who lack competence or passion. The future of the game at our level isn't great.

Businesses go bankrupt - the moral indignation is absurd. These clubs are struggling as they are financially inept

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Aug 26, 2019

Grendel said:
Businesses go bankrupt - the moral indignation is absurd. These clubs are struggling as they are financially inept

On the whole I agree that if a business cannot make enough money or produce its product/service at a low enough cost is should be left to go out of existence. Difference with this is that they're part of the fabric of a community as well as businesses and drivers of the local economy and job providers. Plus quite often the problems are due to greed/ineptitude at the top but the effects are felt by those lower down. The people that cause the problems are often left relatively unscathed by their actions.

You could argue that the banking crash was financially inept, as even someone with basic knowledge would know that was going to end in tears, but individuals put their own greed ahead of what was best for the business and economy overall. Some even set it up to crash so they could benefit from the downturn via short-selling etc.

Did we let that, the very bastion of market-driven, go under? Are communities as emotionally attached to the banks as they are football teams?

Grendel · Aug 26, 2019

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
On the whole I agree that if a business cannot make enough money or produce its product/service at a low enough cost is should be left to go out of existence. Difference with this is that they're part of the fabric of a community as well as businesses and drivers of the local economy and job providers. Plus quite often the problems are due to greed/ineptitude at the top but the effects are felt by those lower down. The people that cause the problems are often left relatively unscathed by their actions.

You could argue that the banking crash was financially inept, as even someone with basic knowledge would know that was going to end in tears, but individuals put their own greed ahead of what was best for the business and economy overall. Some even set it up to crash so they could benefit from the downturn via short-selling etc.

Did we let that, the very bastion of market-driven, go under? Are communities as emotionally attached to the banks as they are football teams?

What a load of sanctimonious self serving drivel

Brighton Sky Blue · Aug 26, 2019

Grendel said:
What a load of sanctimonious self serving drivel

Maybe G the day will come when we face expulsion for never playing in our own city. Perhaps being a prick about other clubs going bust might come back to bite

Brighton Sky Blue · Aug 26, 2019

Grendel said:
It can’t it’s beyond a joke now.

Yes you're right no club expelled from the League since Maidstone yet we can have 2 at the same time now. What a healthy state the English game is in

Nick · Aug 26, 2019

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Maybe G the day will come when we face expulsion for never playing in our own city. Perhaps being a prick about other clubs going bust might come back to bite

We wouldn't be expelled for that if we had alternatives like we have now.

It's a completely different situation.

Brighton Sky Blue · Aug 26, 2019

Nick said:
We wouldn't be expelled for that if we had alternatives like we have now.

It's a completely different situation.

Let's suppose the EFL insist that a pathway back to the city has to be found within a given timeframe, and we don't meet it. Following the logic of some on here we should be chucked in the bin because we were happy for SISU to come in 12 years ago and you reap what you sow. Of course we know the nuances of the story but suppose the wider football community knows none the wiser and come out with 'it's your own fault'.

Even accepting the failures of both clubs it's unbelievable hypocrisy for CCFC fans to wish good riddance on them.

Nick · Aug 26, 2019

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Let's suppose the EFL insist that a pathway back to the city has to be found within a given timeframe, and we don't meet it. Following the logic of some on here we should be chucked in the bin because we were happy for SISU to come in 12 years ago and you reap what you sow. Of course we know the nuances of the story but suppose the wider football community knows none the wiser and come out with 'it's your own fault'.

Even accepting the failures of both clubs it's unbelievable hypocrisy for CCFC fans to wish good riddance on them.

That's only if the pathway is physically possible.

It's still slightly different to teams like Bury spending silly money on players that they didn't have.

Brighton Sky Blue · Aug 26, 2019

Nick said:
That's only if the pathway is physically possible.

It's still slightly different to teams like Bury spending silly money on players that they didn't have.

I don't see how that means we have a right to be dicks about clubs going out of existence. We are where we are because of our owners, and so are they.

Gazolba · Aug 26, 2019

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Yes you're right no club expelled from the League since Maidstone yet we can have 2 at the same time now. What a healthy state the English game is in

Many clubs have been expelled from various leagues and many clubs have gone out of existence.
It's only unusual in the league but quite common lower down the pyramid.
Quite often the clubs reform under a different name in a different league.
Maidstone FC still exists.

CanadianCCFC · Aug 26, 2019

xcraigx said:
If Bolton and Bury are kicked out of the league then there are only 2 relegation spots in league 1. In league 2 I understand there would be no relegation and the usual 2 up from the National League to make up the FL 72.

Well then half of League 2 won’t be interesting if no relegation. Reminds me of North American leagues.

Grendel · Aug 26, 2019

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Yes you're right no club expelled from the League since Maidstone yet we can have 2 at the same time now. What a healthy state the English game is in

Two were expelled in that year as well

Grendel · Aug 26, 2019

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Let's suppose the EFL insist that a pathway back to the city has to be found within a given timeframe, and we don't meet it. Following the logic of some on here we should be chucked in the bin because we were happy for SISU to come in 12 years ago and you reap what you sow. Of course we know the nuances of the story but suppose the wider football community knows none the wiser and come out with 'it's your own fault'.

Even accepting the failures of both clubs it's unbelievable hypocrisy for CCFC fans to wish good riddance on them.

Again stop being so dramatic - no one wishes anything but when a business cannot pay employees, cannot pay football related creditors and cannot show a way forward to honour commitments then there comes a point when the situation is not reversible

Football clubs can go to the wall. The football league isn’t a charity and can only support so much

Our situation is different. There are precedents on our side and we are fulfilling fixtures and paying bills.

Brighton Sky Blue · Aug 26, 2019

Grendel said:
Again stop being so dramatic - no one wishes anything but when a business cannot pay employees, cannot pay football related creditors and cannot show a way forward to honour commitments then there comes a point when the situation is not reversible

Football clubs can go to the wall. The football league isn’t a charity and can only support so much

Our situation is different. There are precedents on our side and we are fulfilling fixtures and paying bills.

I'm not shedding tears over it I just find your attitude a bit odd and ignorant of wider issues around overspending

Brighton Sky Blue · Aug 26, 2019

Gazolba said:
Many clubs have been expelled from various leagues and many clubs have gone out of existence.
It's only unusual in the league but quite common lower down the pyramid.
Quite often the clubs reform under a different name in a different league.
Maidstone FC still exists.

Yup Darlington, Hereford, Nuneaton, Chester etc etc. Those cases aren't 'good' either. The problem here is the culture towards overspending and gambling to get promoted for which you're only punished retrospectively. Hardline FFP backed up by points deductions for clubs taking the piss is needed

speedie87 · Aug 26, 2019

oldskyblue58 said:
I think people are missing that it will be the administrator that will call time on Bolton this Wednesday. He cant find a deal to keep Bolton as a going concern so will be duty bound as an officer of the court to liquidate the company. It wont be the efl kicking them out as such because the company ceases to exist if liquidation is filed.

But isn’t he only liquidating on Wednesday due to the efl revoking their league status on Tuesday.

Grendel · Aug 26, 2019

speedie87 said:
But isn’t he only liquidating on Wednesday due to the efl revoking their league status on Tuesday.

No not really it’s not self sustaining as a going concern

MalcSB · Aug 26, 2019

speedie87 said:
But isn’t he only liquidating on Wednesday due to the efl revoking their league status on Tuesday.

It’s nothing to do with it really, it’s the lack of funds to continue as a going concern and no credible buyers. So it could happen even if they are not eliminated from the league.

CanadianCCFC · Aug 26, 2019

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Yup Darlington, Hereford, Nuneaton, Chester etc etc. Those cases aren't 'good' either. The problem here is the culture towards overspending and gambling to get promoted for which you're only punished retrospectively. Hardline FFP backed up by points deductions for clubs taking the piss is needed

It all comes from the big money waiting in the premier league, leading owners to gamble the club’s existence on reaching the pot of gold, not to mention fans also demanding that their club sign player after player.

Brighton Sky Blue · Aug 26, 2019

CanadianCCFC said:
It all comes from the big money waiting in the premier league, leading owners to gamble the club’s existence on reaching the pot of gold, not to mention fans also demanding that their club sign player after player.

Of course, with the bottom side getting £100 million plus massive parachute payments it’s a gamble that pays out if it works. But unless the owner has Hickman’s pockets it will ruin the club if it fails. It doesn’t need to be like that

Grendel · Aug 26, 2019

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Of course, with the bottom side getting £100 million plus massive parachute payments it’s a gamble that pays out if it works. But unless the owner has Hickman’s pockets it will ruin the club if it fails. It doesn’t need to be like that

Well it does and it can’t be changed

Brighton Sky Blue · Aug 26, 2019

Grendel said:
Well it does and it can’t be changed

If they can manage spending limits in the USA they can do it here. What’s the alternative, bankrupt everyone below the top flight?

Grendel · Aug 26, 2019

Brighton Sky Blue said:
If they can manage spending limits in the USA they can do it here. What’s the alternative, bankrupt everyone below the top flight?

Whose going to introduce these spending limits? Two clubs going bankrupt and you are hysterical - everyone below the top flight lol

CanadianCCFC · Aug 26, 2019

Brighton Sky Blue said:
If they can manage spending limits in the USA they can do it here. What’s the alternative, bankrupt everyone below the top flight?

It would need to happen across Europe if you’re going to salary cap the premier league.

MalcSB · Aug 26, 2019

If Bolton do go to the wall, we will be third in the table, 1 point behind Blackpool and Sunderland but with a game in hand.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Aug 26, 2019

Grendel said:
Well it does and it can’t be changed

People said the same when the PL came along - it can be changed if the will is there.

As I've said before I'm not for salary caps on individuals, and I only think a team salary cap should be related to the income you make.

So many teams that get relegated rely on those parachute payments to keep things afloat and even then it's largely a race to get back up before they stop or things go sour.

It's a totally unsustainable model relying on ever increasing tv revenue and it's reached saturation point.

Brighton Sky Blue · Aug 26, 2019

Grendel said:
Whose going to introduce these spending limits? Two clubs going bankrupt and you are hysterical - everyone below the top flight lol

How many more for you to give a shit?

Brighton Sky Blue · Aug 26, 2019

CanadianCCFC said:
It would need to happen across Europe if you’re going to salary cap the premier league.

It’s one option of several. Right now it would just be nice to fix the problems in this country

Grendel · Aug 26, 2019

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
People said the same when the PL came along - it can be changed if the will is there.

As I've said before I'm not for salary caps on individuals, and I only think a team salary cap should be related to the income you make.

So many teams that get relegated rely on those parachute payments to keep things afloat and even then it's largely a race to get back up before they stop or things go sour.

It's a totally unsustainable model relying on ever increasing tv revenue and it's reached saturation point.

So unsustainable Bolton are potentially the first to go to the wall as a result of it

I don’t get the saturation point are you saying TV deals are becoming cheaper for the purchaser

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