Wasn't it there final offer because it was agreed and then reneged upon by Timmy, and wasn't this also the reason for the no more negotiation stance. Surely if timmy hadn't said ok to the £400 k offer and had said it needs more negotiation we may have come to this point earlier. Agreeing to something in business and then going back on it is quite likely to piss off those that you are dealing with, had it myself once when buying a house, agreed a price, had my mortgage in place but whilst waiting for my purchasers mortgage to come through i was contacted by the estate agent and told i was being put in a mortgage race with another party. I told them to shove it and bought another house.It's a shame that the offer made yesterday wasn't made back in January/February, when they made their "final offer and no more negotiation".
Could have avoided the admin(which ACL forced), possibly have kept Robins, and even made the play-offs.
Wonder why on Earth they had to go "nuclear" over such a relatively small amount in the big scale of things, to only offer a much better deal when it's all a bit late, and could have avoided an awful lot of trouble.
If Sisu had turned down the offer back then that was offered yesterday then they would have rightly been excoriated, but don't think that they would have done to be honest, would have left further room, once mutual trust regained, for future negotiations on ownership and revenues etc.
Sisu have saved us, kept us afloat and spent millions. they have acted on every occasion to fans screams to remove managers and bought players fans screamed to get, they have done everything possible to put a decent team on the pitch, they were let down by the players enough, but the anti sisu camp have shot us in the foot, the hate towards Sisu is unbelievable and the ignorance of our fans to a business that has done everything they can to help us is simply retarded. we have a group of grown men acting as though they are 5 and they have dropped their ice creams, its pathetic.
world hunger, Syria, Egypt, wars, homelessness, cancer, illness, children dying of hunger - disease, etc that is all deserving of the efforts being put into sisu by the neanderthal types we have at our club.
So if they managed to get it down to like £75,000 and then spent more on players and invested it in the club / team, would that not be classed as an amazing bit of business?
i know about judicial reviews and local governement law. and i know the 14 million pound loan was completely unlawful. and a waste of public funds
So it's not disgraceful for SISU to distress ACL out of business but it is disgraceful for the council to use the money they borrowed (was it the Public Works Loan Board?) to refinance ACL and in turn offer lower rent to our club?acl were about to fold. they were about to fold because of the situation with sisu. the council did not regenerate the area, they used our money to prop up a business they had a hand in. it's fucking disgraceful and the council know it, hence their begging the judicial review is dropped as part of any deal.
That's football fans for you, without that kind of emotional response to things CCFC would have died a long time ago. Happy to be classed as a retard, if being your'e version of intelligent turned me into a worshiper of a hedge fund i wouldhave real problems.Sisu have saved us, kept us afloat and spent millions. they have acted on every occasion to fans screams to remove managers and bought players fans screamed to get, they have done everything possible to put a decent team on the pitch, they were let down by the players enough, but the anti sisu camp have shot us in the foot, the hate towards Sisu is unbelievable and the ignorance of our fans to a business that has done everything they can to help us is simply retarded. we have a group of grown men acting as though they are 5 and they have dropped their ice creams, its pathetic.
world hunger, Syria, Egypt, wars, homelessness, cancer, illness, children dying of hunger - disease, etc that is all deserving of the efforts being put into sisu by the neanderthal types we have at our club.
of course the 14 mill was to fight off sisu. why do you think the judicial review is underway??? think
That's interesting ... so what exactly is your experience and qualification?
We're still awaiting reply eh GT.....That's interesting ... so what exactly is your experience and qualification?
We're still awaiting reply eh GT.....
Their initial idea wasn't too bad but they lost their bottle.Sisu have saved us, kept us afloat and spent millions. they have acted on every occasion to fans screams to remove managers and bought players fans screamed to get, they have done everything possible to put a decent team on the pitch, they were let down by the players enough, but the anti sisu camp have shot us in the foot, the hate towards Sisu is unbelievable and the ignorance of our fans to a business that has done everything they can to help us is simply retarded. we have a group of grown men acting as though they are 5 and they have dropped their ice creams, its pathetic.
world hunger, Syria, Egypt, wars, homelessness, cancer, illness, children dying of hunger - disease, etc that is all deserving of the efforts being put into sisu by the neanderthal types we have at our club.
I can't see that there have been any winners in this saga.
As an aside, I really hope whenever this does finally conclude we don;t have page after page bickering over who's 'won' and 'lost'.
If *if is a common word!) any deal is reached we should just be thankful for that, welcome it, and try to move on.
As an aside, I really hope whenever this does finally conclude we don;t have page after page bickering over who's 'won' and 'lost'.
If *if is a common word!) any deal is reached we should just be thankful for that, welcome it, and try to move on.
and it will be the fans that, as always, lose in some way
only side we should all want to win and never lose is coventry city fc!
i know about judicial reviews and local governement law. and i know the 14 million pound loan was completely unlawful. and a waste of public funds
Excellent. Here was me thinking that you were just a blustering half-wit, and it turns out that you've got real expertise in this area. I apologise for thinking wrong of you.
You'll be able to provide us with some evidence to support your opinion then I suppose. I was thinking of something like a precedent where a JR has succeeded against a council in a case like this?
Just one will suffice. It's spelt 'Government' by the way, Google usually corrects for basic spelling mistakes so it shouldn't slow down your search, but then given your expertise I doubt it will take you long to find something in any case. I'd imagine you've got something at your very fingertips.
Do let us know how you get on.
have got to go lay down............ first thing in ages that I have read from you that I can agree with...... a rare gem:laugh:
Excellent. Here was me thinking that you were just a blustering half-wit, and it turns out that you've got real expertise in this area. I apologise for thinking wrong of you.
You'll be able to provide us with some evidence to support your opinion then I suppose. I was thinking of something like a precedent where a JR has succeeded against a council in a case like this?
Just one will suffice. It's spelt 'Government' by the way, Google usually corrects for basic spelling mistakes so it shouldn't slow down your search, but then given your expertise I doubt it will take you long to find something in any case. I'd imagine you've got something at your very fingertips.
Do let us know how you get on.
Previous ACL offers have resulted in an immediate rejection out of hand from SISU. Not so this time. They are obviously considering it seriously ahead of what must surely be the last creditors meeting. Is this really crunch time ? Friday will be the biggest of all big days.
Or how The Liberty stadium in Swansea having a multi million pound loan from part owners the council, which was subsequently written off, is less "illegal" than our council loan which is being paid back.
Effectively, they have 10 years to properly plan and build the new stadium. Judging from previous history, they could also wangle a way to get out of the 10 year lease too!!
Also worth remembering that this was voted for 100% by the full council, no dissenting voices at all.Absolutely. In fairness I'm not saying there isn't a case, there may well be.
My opinion (fwiw) is that it's pretty thin; Councillors usually take legal advice from their officers before taking major and/or controversial decisions, Councils clearly are allowed to invest in projects that benefit their finances or local area, and I haven't been able to find any precedent for this kind of JR succeeding.
I'm aware that I'm not an expert, but then I don't purport to be. I just try to research the stuff I'm interested in or talk from real experience rather than the made-up kind.
Just a small fly in the ointment on the new build
The lease on offer is a 10year ROLLING lease. So if it starts today it runs to 31/07/23 but if we get to 31/07/14 then the rent agreement runs to 31/07/24. Unless proper notice given
So to break the contract i would guess it requires an agreed notice period (possibly 10 years) or to pay the contract up (ie in L1 10 x £150k)
The club at all times will have 10 years security of tenure to run...... which matches FL rules ........ but it also adds worth to CCFC and ACL in terms of selling up either
You are right. People seem to confuse the revenue streams with the profit. I'm sure SISU would like the profit but I reality, the income stream is more valuable with FFP. You could have 10mill revenue stream and make no profit and it would be better Than 1million pound revenue stream which is all profit.
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