Breaking news: Acl call off rent talks (4 Viewers)

WillieStanley · Feb 28, 2013

torchomatic said:
I'm sure they are kicking themselves now over that. And I'm sure you're right, they won't be going anywhere until they see some kind of return for their investors.

The club needs to make itself more attractive to new owners. Half the ground.

Just another in the long list of Ken Delieu catastrophies. Spent the budget on shipping the squad out to his back garden, invited himself onto the bench, savagely cut costs and then totally blew all hopes of a takeover by revealing the names of the bidders on radio. Any relationship SISU had left with the fans/ACL he destroyed and SISU are still trying to build the bridges now. In that short reign he, along with Onye and Brody did so much damage.

I still think that had Fisher and co. been appointed under a different regime yet carried themselves in exactly the same manner, they would have so much more public support.

grego_gee · Feb 28, 2013

Hubble, bubble, toil and Trouble

500 well considered posts on here to convince ourselves that CCFC are doomed!
and outside of our little bubble CCFC are appointing another manager and making a second loan signing of a striker......
it doesn't add up....
eat your heart out Mighty, mungy, minge!

imp:

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Feb 28, 2013

grego_gee said:
500 well considered posts on here to convince ourselves that CCFC are doomed!
and outside of our little bubble CCFC are appointing another manager and making a second loan signing of a striker......
it doesn't add up....
eat your heart out Mighty, mungy, minge!

imp:

You're familiar with the phrase 'rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic' I take it?

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Feb 28, 2013

WillieStanley said:
Just another in the long list of Ken Delieu catastrophies. Spent the budget on shipping the squad out to his back garden, invited himself onto the bench, savagely cut costs and then totally blew all hopes of a takeover by revealing the names of the bidders on radio. Any relationship SISU had left with the fans/ACL he destroyed and SISU are still trying to build the bridges now. In that short reign he, along with Onye and Brody did so much damage.

I still think that had Fisher and co. been appointed under a different regime yet carried themselves in exactly the same manner, they would have so much more public support.

I disagree with the latter bit, old boy.

What I don't like is the apparent duplicity. Statements on the website about ACL's 'well publicised' financial problems, what we all heard on the radio with regards Fisher repeatedly asserting that ACL had 'gone bust'. They haven't. The latest round of rhetoric about them not 'propping up a loss making council-owned concern'. It's making money.

This is a horrible, nasty way to do business. I don't like it associated with our club. I'll be embarrassed when we enter a transfer embargo again some time soon, as the rest of the world looks in at us with incredulation as it's two years running. They've heard the stories about the winding-up order. You read other fan's forums and they put us on par with Pompey - paying players such as McGoldrick, McSheffrey and Wood yet not paying a penny in rent.

I don't live my life like that, and I find it hard to support a club who's owners behave in a way I find abhorrent. I don't care who it is, or what they represent; but the need to be good, honest, transparent and skillful people - at least in my mind. I'm not so sure the current board can tick all those boxes....

Sky Blue Kid · Feb 28, 2013

I don't live my life like that, and I find it hard to support a club who's owners behave in a way I find abhorrent. I don't care who it is, or what they represent; but the need to be good, honest, transparent and skillful people - at least in my mind. I'm not so sure the current board can tick all those boxes....

Well said MMM. They don't tick ANY boxes m8.

lordsummerisle · Feb 28, 2013

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
I disagree with the latter bit, old boy.

What I don't like is the apparent duplicity. Statements on the website about ACL's 'well publicised' financial problems, what we all heard on the radio with regards Fisher repeatedly asserting that ACL had 'gone bust'. They haven't. The latest round of rhetoric about them not 'propping up a loss making council-owned concern'. It's making money.

Maybe Fisher heard about ACL's "well publicised" financial problems from a post on here, or heard somebody say something on the radio?

Would be all the evidence anybody could possibly need to make the statements he has surely?

Or could it be classed as duplicitous or rhetoric?

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Feb 28, 2013

lordsummerisle said:
Maybe Fisher heard about ACL's "well publicised" financial problems from a post on here, or heard somebody say something on the radio?

Would be all the evidence anybody could possibly need to make the statements he has surely?

Or could it be classed as duplicitous or rhetoric?

He's paid to apply a wisdom to his offerings that's not consummate with that required for a message board discussion though isn't he?

lordsummerisle · Feb 28, 2013

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
He's paid to apply a wisdom to his offerings that's not consummate with that required for a message board discussion though isn't he?

At least he's getting paid to be duplicitous and full of rhetoric, you seem more than willing to do it for nothing.

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Feb 28, 2013

lordsummerisle said:
At least he's getting paid to be duplicitous and full of rhetoric, you seem more than willing to do it for nothing.

I thank you for the admission of the former; and can't be bothered to offer anyting on the latter part of the sentence

Grendel · Feb 28, 2013

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
I disagree with the latter bit, old boy.

What I don't like is the apparent duplicity. Statements on the website about ACL's 'well publicised' financial problems, what we all heard on the radio with regards Fisher repeatedly asserting that ACL had 'gone bust'. They haven't. The latest round of rhetoric about them not 'propping up a loss making council-owned concern'. It's making money.

This is a horrible, nasty way to do business. I don't like it associated with our club. I'll be embarrassed when we enter a transfer embargo again some time soon, as the rest of the world looks in at us with incredulation as it's two years running. They've heard the stories about the winding-up order. You read other fan's forums and they put us on par with Pompey - paying players such as McGoldrick, McSheffrey and Wood yet not paying a penny in rent.

I don't live my life like that, and I find it hard to support a club who's owners behave in a way I find abhorrent. I don't care who it is, or what they represent; but the need to be good, honest, transparent and skillful people - at least in my mind. I'm not so sure the current board can tick all those boxes....

Quite the moralist aren't you.

I am sure when you purchase food from a supermarket you ensure the supplier at the bottom of the chain has been rewarded. Likewise you know with 100% certaintity all the clothes you purchase are not the result of exploitation.

It may surprise you but these are the type of moral issues I concern my self with. In particular I am almost obsessive about animal welfare issues.

However I consider non payment of rent hardly a morality issue at all. This is a council owned property and if they pull the trigger I will consider them totally accountable.

WillieStanley · Feb 28, 2013

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
I disagree with the latter bit, old boy.

I don't live my life like that, and I find it hard to support a club who's owners behave in a way I find abhorrent. I don't care who it is, or what they represent; but the need to be good, honest, transparent and skillful people - at least in my mind. I'm not so sure the current board can tick all those boxes....

Bryan Richardson, Joe Elliott, Geoffrey Robinson et al. ticked all those boxes, didn't they!!

Ashdown1 · Feb 28, 2013

Grendel said:
Quite the moralist aren't you.

I am sure when you purchase food from a supermarket you ensure the supplier at the bottom of the chain has been rewarded. Likewise you know with 100% certaintity all the clothes you purchase are not the result of exploitation.

It may surprise you but these are the type of moral issues I concern my self with. In particular I am almost obsessive about animal welfare issues.

However I consider non payment of rent hardly a morality issue at all. This is a council owned property and if they pull the trigger I will consider them totally accountable.

Wow, a genuine concern for animal welfare issues....................I have all sorts of buying ethics and morals and this is important to me too...................we have found some common ground at last, fair play to you !!!

Sky Blue Kid · Feb 28, 2013

Grendel said:
Quite the moralist aren't you.

I am sure when you purchase food from a supermarket you ensure the supplier at the bottom of the chain has been rewarded. Likewise you know with 100% certaintity all the clothes you purchase are not the result of exploitation.

It may surprise you but these are the type of moral issues I concern my self with. In particular I am almost obsessive about animal welfare issues.

However I consider non payment of rent hardly a morality issue at all. This is a council owned property and if they pull the trigger I will consider them totally accountable.

Think you need to get your priorities sorted, Human life before animals, every day of the week m8.:facepalm:

Noggin · Feb 28, 2013

Sky Blue Kid said:
Think you need to get your priorities sorted, Human life before animals, every day of the week m8.:facepalm:

I disagree with the majority of Grendels posts, but thinking thats it's more important that chickens have enough space to move and arn't in pain their entire lives is more important than a council getting some owed money does not suggest he thinks animal life is more important than human life. Careing about animal welfare over weather or not acl get paid is a perfectly reasonable morally and despite being on the opposite side of the argument to him regarding sisu, I think he is right on this.

I do thiink not paying your rent is morally wrong though especially in this situation but it's clearly less important than many animal welfare issues, I'm not a tree hugger either I belive in animal testing when appropriate for medicine and scientific advances for the most part, but animals shouldn't suffer unnecessarily so we can pay 50p less for our chicken.

torchomatic · Feb 28, 2013

Well done. A whole post without using the word "twat". :claping hands:

Sky Blue Kid said:
Think you need to get your priorities sorted, Human life before animals, every day of the week m8.:facepalm:

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Feb 28, 2013

WillieStanley said:
Bryan Richardson, Joe Elliott, Geoffrey Robinson et al. ticked all those boxes, didn't they!!

Yes; and those folk receive a level of abuse consummate with their activities too; don't they?

Sky Blue Kid · Feb 28, 2013

@ Noggin...

I respect your opinion m8, but the boot is on the other foot with regards to SISU.
If they had put ACL(Childrens Charity) out of business, which could mean anything from Kids not getting food, to not having a home to live in, in a family environment(Adoption)etc,etc. Don't get me wrong here, I love my "Jack Russell" and don't like seeing animals being mistreated, but I draw the line when kids lives are in the frame. Make of that what you will, but that's my stance, and I'm sticking to it.

PS.. Torchy.............TWAT!

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Feb 28, 2013

Grendel said:
Quite the moralist aren't you.

I am sure when you purchase food from a supermarket you ensure the supplier at the bottom of the chain has been rewarded. Likewise you know with 100% certaintity all the clothes you purchase are not the result of exploitation.

It may surprise you but these are the type of moral issues I concern my self with. In particular I am almost obsessive about animal welfare issues.

However I consider non payment of rent hardly a morality issue at all. This is a council owned property and if they pull the trigger I will consider them totally accountable.

Bleedin' hell. That's a bit of a car crash; it's like post cobbled together by Linda McCartney, Piers Morgan and Citizen Smith.

Bit astonishing you feel that non-fulfillment of a contract isn't a moral issue. Just hope your pension provider doesn't adopt the same ideology

torchomatic · Feb 28, 2013

MMM, SBK, CJP et al are constantly banging on about morals and effectively saying that those who disagree with them and their stance are morally bankrupt. This isn’t the case. I personally care about lots of rights and ethical issues. Are they more important than whether a joint venture company is getting it’s rent or not? To me, yes they are. I have morals alright but am not really moved by ACLs “plight”. And before anyone mentions the “poor” charity, they aren’t losing out either really. They have a nice big chunk of real estate they’ll one day make a mint out of.

RoboCCFC90 · Feb 28, 2013

ricohroar said:
If the only stumbleing block is revenue from food/drinks etc. Why don't sisu set up their own food and drink places? (outside the ground if not inside). Open the gates at half time, and sell things cheaper, force ACL to share or miss out? or like these people selling pies for a pound. put some of them inside the ground, and some mobile beer sellers, just under cut the stalls by a few pence.
I'm sure ACL might have some kind of clause saying no other sales....

Or if fans feel that strongly, just boycot them ourselves??

I really wonder sometimes that the likes of these comments from yourself, MMM, Astute and the other ACL fans are really from CCFC Supporters, Because you don't act like it!

torchomatic · Feb 28, 2013

Looks who's talking. Some of the stuff you, CJ and Coundon have written has made me feel queasy on more than one occasion. It's like Stevie Wonder and Paul McCartney all over again.

Look at the Top Ten "issues" for 2013. You will notice that ACL doesn't even make it in the countdown. You'll be writing a strongly worded letter to Mr Mutton no doubt.

http://www.ihrb.org/top10/business_human_rights_issues/2013.html?gclid=CO6nmaGy2bUCFfLLtAoduzUAqQ

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
Bleedin' hell. That's a bit of a car crash; it's like post cobbled together by Linda McCartney, Piers Morgan and Citizen Smith.

Bit astonishing you feel that non-fulfillment of a contract isn't a moral issue. Just hope your pension provider doesn't adopt the same ideology

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Feb 28, 2013

Sky Blue Kid said:
PS.. Torchy.............TWAT!

What if Torchy is a keyboard-adept dachshund and you've just upset his feelings with that tirade?

You'll have Grenduffy and Sting sitting outside your house in protest; sniffing josticks and weaving baskets with their feet, whilst expressing ther pent-up sexuality using the mediums of rhythm, shape, movement and dance

lordsummerisle · Feb 28, 2013

torchomatic said:
MMM, SBK, CJP et al are constantly banging on about morals and effectively saying that those who disagree with them and their stance are morally bankrupt. This isn’t the case. I personally care about lots of rights and ethical issues. Are they more important than whether a joint venture company is getting it’s rent or not? To me, yes they are. I have morals alright but am not really moved by ACLs “plight”. And before anyone mentions the “poor” charity, they aren’t losing out either really. They have a nice big chunk of real estate they’ll one day make a mint out of.

Most iof those banging on about the poor charity, and all the likkle children being deprived by bad old Sisu, also seem to think that Sisu should have renogtiated the rent when they took over, thus condemning the deprived little kiddiewinks to a life of penury and probably sex-slavery.

RoboCCFC90 · Feb 28, 2013

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
What if Torchy is a keyboard-adept dachshund and you've just upset his feelings with that tirade?

You'll have Grenduffy and Sting sitting outside your house in protest; sniffing josticks and weaving baskets with their feet, whilst expressing ther pent-up sexuality using the mediums of rhythm, shape, movement and dance

Resulting to insults because that's real immature..... :jerkit:

torchomatic · Feb 28, 2013

No, don't worry. SBK likes his abuse, so I'm used to it now. It's his way of making his voice heard. He has no reason so resorts to swear words.

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
What if Torchy is a keyboard-adept dachshund and you've just upset his feelings with that tirade?

You'll have Grenduffy and Sting sitting outside your house in protest; sniffing josticks and weaving baskets with their feet, whilst expressing ther pent-up sexuality using the mediums of rhythm, shape, movement and dance

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Feb 28, 2013

torchomatic said:
MMM, SBK, CJP et al are constantly banging on about morals and effectively saying that those who disagree with them and their stance are morally bankrupt. This isn’t the case. I personally care about lots of rights and ethical issues. Are they more important than whether a joint venture company is getting it’s rent or not? To me, yes they are. I have morals alright but am not really moved by ACLs “plight”. And before anyone mentions the “poor” charity, they aren’t losing out either really. They have a nice big chunk of real estate they’ll one day make a mint out of.

I care about my club breaking the law. Yes. I care about what 'the football family' think of our club when it constantly transgresses. Yes. I care when people gamble with the very life of the club itself. Yes.

But this is a football forum, and therefore people will post about how legality and morality are evidenced within the club. It's not a case of discussing football's pros and cons against those of the wider world. That's for elsewhere. As forum rules clearly state

Grendel · Feb 28, 2013

Sky Blue Kid said:
Think you need to get your priorities sorted, Human life before animals, every day of the week m8.:facepalm:

Animals are accepting, non judgemental, peaceful unless threatened and tolerant. As for some humans sky blue kid well.......,

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Feb 28, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
Resulting to insults because that's real immature..... :jerkit:

It's called tongue-in-cheek humour. I disagree on many issues with Torchmatic, but have never resorted to name-calling, as I'm sure he'll bear witness to.

Calling someone immature and then using the shaky-hand icon. Was that meant to be irony, or was it accidental?

torchomatic · Feb 28, 2013

Agree, MMM. And I don't think I've ever sworn at you. However, a cursory glance at SBKs posts will show that he just swears and abuses people all the time. That's not tongue-in-cheek at all.

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
It's called tongue-in-cheek humour. I disagree on many issues with Torchmatic, but have never resorted to name-calling, as I'm sure he'll bear witness to.

Calling someone immature and then using the shaky-hand icon. Was that meant to be irony, or was it accidental?

Grendel · Feb 28, 2013

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
I care about my club breaking the law. Yes. I care about what 'the football family' think of our club when it constantly transgresses. Yes. I care when people gamble with the very life of the club itself. Yes.

But this is a football forum, and therefore people will post about how legality and morality are evidenced within the club. It's not a case of discussing football's pros and cons against those of the wider world. That's for elsewhere. As forum rules clearly state

People don't care south if their club is successful.

The premier league is the very representation of greed is good.

The issues in the wider world are relevant as those are re issues. Sorry but I am just a tad bit more upset about the proposed badger cull, the fact that British horses are being transported to Romania for slaughter and the terrible conditions many uk animals are subjected to so to satisfy human greed. As for foie gras don't get me started.

So the fact that my football club has not fed Jon Muttons belly for a while to me is utterly irrelevant. Actually he looks like his been given the pâté treatment already.

RoboCCFC90 · Feb 28, 2013

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
It's called tongue-in-cheek humour. I disagree on many issues with Torchmatic, but have never resorted to name-calling, as I'm sure he'll bear witness to.

Calling someone immature and then using the shaky-hand icon. Was that meant to be irony, or was it accidental?

Accidental

MichaelCCFC · Feb 28, 2013

As this thread has covered everything from Jane Austen to animal welfare/rights I am going to give a plug to Jan's separate thread about the Sky Blue Trust having Steve Waggott as guest speaker, 7.30 @ The Squirrel, Monday 4 March. The focus will be on football (the kind of stuff that happened at Bournemouth on Tuesday) as opposed to the never ending rent/acl/sisu stuff. So for anyone who fancies an evening away from their keyboard, and a discussion about football rather than morality etc, it should be a good event. If you want more details email me at theskybluetrust@gmail.com

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Feb 28, 2013

Grendel said:
People don't care south if their club is successful.

The premier league is the very representation of greed is good.

The issues in the wider world are relevant as those are re issues. Sorry but I am just a tad bit more upset about the proposed badger cull, the fact that British horses are being transported to Romania for slaughter and the terrible conditions many uk animals are subjected to so to satisfy human greed. As for foie gras don't get me started.

So the fact that my football club has fed Jon Muttons belly for a while to me is utterly irrelevant. Actually he looks like his been given the pâté treatment already.

I have horses, a large dog and two cats. They get fed before I do in the morning.

I also run a pretty large and successful company. I pride myself on that business operating wholly legally, with a strong moral code. We ethically source, we have a strong family ethos; we fund school projects in deprived areas, donate charitably and sponsor football teams for the handicapped - one of whom my cousin plays for....

I can disagree with you on morality in business - as I do - and still have some left for morality and compassion outside the workplace, you know

Sky Blue Kid · Feb 28, 2013

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
What if Torchy is a keyboard-adept dachshund and you've just upset his feelings with that tirade?

You'll have Grenduffy and Sting sitting outside your house in protest; sniffing josticks and weaving baskets with their feet, whilst expressing ther pent-up sexuality using the mediums of rhythm, shape, movement and dance

Naaahhh!! I envisage Torchy helping out the "Pet Shop Boys" with their stage costumes........That's unless he already has. Just had shudders down my back then!
:facepalm:

grego_gee · Feb 28, 2013

torchomatic said:
MMM, SBK, CJP et al are constantly banging on about morals and effectively saying that those who disagree with them and their stance are morally bankrupt. This isn’t the case. I personally care about lots of rights and ethical issues. Are they more important than whether a joint venture company is getting it’s rent or not? To me, yes they are. I have morals alright but am not really moved by ACLs “plight”. And before anyone mentions the “poor” charity, they aren’t losing out either really. They have a nice big chunk of real estate they’ll one day make a mint out of.

Spot on torchy!
I was going to quiz PK about that earlier in the thread,but he wouldn't bite. He said ACL haven't received a penny but the CCFC rent is funding their lease and in turn funding CCC's mortgage"
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Morals! huh!

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