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Skybluefaz · Oct 15, 2021

CCFCSteve said:
This is Boris now mate, he’s spunking cash everywhere so sure he can find a few quid to get the 50k HGV licences through a bit quicker (i would’ve thought the optics of problems over Xmas aren’t worth the risk of not sorting it)

As mad as it sounds, I really don't feel like the optics matter. Mainly cos a lot of their supporters are also doing their damnedest do blame everything on anyone and anything else other than the government. It'll still be a GPs fault for Turkey shortages. Or blame the teachers for no pigs in blankets.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Oct 15, 2021

Brexit has just highlighted in bright neon lights the problems we have with filling certain roles and the reliance we have had on foreign workers for quite some time. We were struggling to tread water before and Brexit is a massive boulder that has been shoved onto us.

The problem of having few people wanting to take this roles can probably be linked with the desire to get everyone into higher education. If you convince someone to stay in education until into their 20's, often leaving people in large debt, instead of earning on the premise that it will lead to a good job and higher earnings is it anyone wonder that none of those people want to take on seemingly mundane menial work.

PVA · Oct 17, 2021

What a knobhead.

clint van damme · Oct 17, 2021

PVA said:
What a knobhead.

The cretins cretin.

PVA · Oct 19, 2021

No, this is exactly what you voted for.

You won, get over it.

Voting for people to be more patriotic ffs

Evo1883 · Oct 19, 2021

PVA said:
No, this is exactly what you voted for.

You won, get over it.

Voting for people to be more patriotic ffs

It genuinely could be anybody on the radio couldn't it ?... I'm struggling to believe that somebody would come out with that on national radio

Such is my trust of the media in 2021

It's just too cliche isn't it ?

" I voted leave for people to be more patriotic "

Good try BBC

PVA · Oct 19, 2021

Evo1883 said:
It genuinely could be anybody on the radio couldn't it ?... I'm struggling to believe that somebody would come out with that on national radio

Such is my trust of the media in 2021

It's just too cliche isn't it ?

" I voted leave to be more patriotic "

Good try BBC

No it's Kate Morgan.

Prominent farming Brexiter.

Evo1883 · Oct 19, 2021

PVA said:
No it's Kate Morgan.

Prominent farming Brexiter.

So I've looked into it , and by prominent do you mean came to the media's attention 2 weeks ago ?

It's a very VERY strange thing to say isn't it?

I voted leave for people to be more patriotic?

It's cliche nonsense, who speaks like that ?
Who willingly embarrases themselves with such verbal diarrhea on national radio ?

Very odd

Marty · Oct 19, 2021

Evo1883 said:
So I've looked into it , and by prominent do you mean came to the media's attention 2 weeks ago ?

It's a very VERY strange thing to say isn't it?

I voted leave for people to be more patriotic?

It's cliche nonsense, who speaks like that ?

She's a plant. More remainer bollocks. Likes of Tony and PVA are being played like a fiddle.

Evo1883 · Oct 19, 2021

Marty said:
She's a plant. More remainer bollocks. Likes of Tony and PVA are being played like a fiddle.

She's a leave voter definitely, I'm genuinely struggling with what she's said ... she's had a mare

Shows how bad it is when even I struggle to believe somebody can be so dense on national radio , turns out its true

My god

wingy · Oct 19, 2021

Evo1883 said:
So I've looked into it , and by prominent do you mean came to the media's attention 2 weeks ago ?

It's a very VERY strange thing to say isn't it?

I voted leave for people to be more patriotic?

It's cliche nonsense, who speaks like that ?
Who willingly embarrases themselves with such verbal diarrhea on national radio ?

Very odd

Defensive people really.
Simply avoiding /deflecting the view that her vote impacted on the shortage of slaughter's/butchers affecting her industry.

hill83 · Oct 19, 2021

Evo1883 said:
She's a leave voter definitely, I'm genuinely struggling with what she's said ... she's had a mare

Shows how bad it is when even I struggle to believe somebody can be so dense on national radio , turns out its true

My god

Sounds like the standard talk to me.

Evo1883 · Oct 19, 2021

wingy said:
Defensive people really.
Simply avoiding /deflecting the view that her vote impacted on the shortage of slaughter's/butchers affecting her industry.

Yea no I'm wrong she definitely voted leave , I guess I'm just genuinely shocked that she's said that on national radio , hence why i struggled struggled to believe it

What a twat

Evo1883 · Oct 19, 2021

hill83 said:
Sounds like the standard talk to me.

Can't ever remember somebody saying to me they voted to be more patriotic , heard a few things like control our borders etc ... but those words have never been uttered to me to be fair... it's bizarre

hill83 · Oct 19, 2021

Evo1883 said:
Can't ever remember somebody saying to me they voted to be more patriotic , heard a few things like control our borders etc ... but those words have never been uttered to me to be fair... it's bizarre

Not specifically that. Just the complete lack of awareness in what they were really ‘potentially’ voting for.

Scaremongering wasn’t it?

Evo1883 · Oct 19, 2021

hill83 said:
Not specifically that. The the complete lack of awareness in what they were really ‘potentially’ voting for.

Yea no problem with that statement tbh

Evo1883 · Oct 19, 2021

But to go on national radio and say that , I thought Immediately " no way "

Fuck me what a time to be alive

wingy · Oct 19, 2021

hill83 said:
Not specifically that. The the complete lack of awareness in what they were really ‘potentially’ voting for.

Scaremongering wasn’t it?

Politicians driving it with blue passports etc .

Evo1883 · Oct 19, 2021

PVA said:
No, this is exactly what you voted for.

You won, get over it.

Voting for people to be more patriotic ffs

Apologies you're correct, she's had a mare

Genuinely can't believe those words left her mouth

chiefdave · Oct 19, 2021

Marty said:
She's a plant. More remainer bollocks. Likes of Tony and PVA are being played like a fiddle.

She may be a plant but it takes a matter of seconds of searching online to find that this isn't her first appearance on TV or radio and that she's been campaigning for Brexit for years and claiming it would be brilliant for farmers.

So yes should could be a plant and its some PR long game but isn't it more likely that she's someone who voted, and campaigned for, leave who has now been negatively impacted by the reality of that?

Grendel · Oct 19, 2021

chiefdave said:
She may be a plant but it takes a matter of seconds of searching online to find that this isn't her first appearance on TV or radio and that she's been campaigning for Brexit for years and claiming it would be brilliant for farmers.

So yes should could be a plant and its some PR long game but isn't it more likely that she's someone who voted, and campaigned for, leave who has now been negatively impacted by the reality of that?

But it’s not really an issue is it? The notion she’s an example of why people voted leave is absurd.

I heard people say they were voting remain as they thought we’d not be allowed to play in the euros anymore

Marty · Oct 19, 2021

chiefdave said:
She may be a plant but it takes a matter of seconds of searching online to find that this isn't her first appearance on TV or radio and that she's been campaigning for Brexit for years and claiming it would be brilliant for farmers.

So yes should could be a plant and its some PR long game but isn't it more likely that she's someone who voted, and campaigned for, leave who has now been negatively impacted by the reality of that?

Remainers playing the long game. Got her planted years ago, I do take my hat of to their sneaky remaining tactics.

hill83 · Oct 19, 2021

Grendel said:
But it’s not really an issue is it? The notion she’s an example of why people voted leave is absurd.

I heard people say they were voting remain as they thought we’d not be allowed to play in the euros anymore

She said she voted for brexit to tighten border controls as well. Also directly affecting her business.

Edit: actually to introduce border controls.

It’s irrelevant anyway, it’s funny. But it’s one plonker.

hill83 · Oct 19, 2021

Marty said:
Remainers playing the long game. Got her planted years ago, I do take my hat of to their sneaky remaining tactics.

Can’t work out if you are on the wind up or not.

Grendel · Oct 19, 2021

hill83 said:
She said she voted for brexit to tighten border controls as well. Also directly affecting her business.

Again it’s not really a story is it? The remain campaign was poor and focused purely on negatives of leaving and not positives of remaining - and it’s obvious that short term impacts vs long term are you be considered

frankly her farm can go bust for all I care but I guess that’s not the discussion

The funny thing is the same arguments are used by sturgeon and many on here look at her favourably

Skybluefaz · Oct 19, 2021

hill83 said:
Can’t work out if you are on the wind up or not.

I'm in a similar position although I'm fairly sure it's a serious post.

hill83 · Oct 19, 2021

Grendel said:
Again it’s not really a story is it? The remain campaign was poor and focused purely on negatives of leaving and not positives of remaining - and it’s obvious that short term impacts vs long term are you be considered

frankly her farm can go bust for all I care but I guess that’s not the discussion

The funny thing is the same arguments are used by sturgeon and many on here look at her favourably

See my edit

COV · Oct 19, 2021

Evo1883 said:
So I've looked into it , and by prominent do you mean came to the media's attention 2 weeks ago ?

It's a very VERY strange thing to say isn't it?

I voted leave for people to be more patriotic?

It's cliche nonsense, who speaks like that ?
Who willingly embarrases themselves with such verbal diarrhea on national radio ?

Very odd

Loads of people speak like that tbf, on both sides the rhetoric is comically awful

PVA · Oct 19, 2021

She's just an idiot. She voted for purely selfish reasons, on the understanding that other people would suffer but she wouldn't

It's a real life example of this meme/tweet:

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Oct 19, 2021

Grendel said:
Again it’s not really a story is it? The remain campaign was poor and focused purely on negatives of leaving and not positives of remaining - and it’s obvious that short term impacts vs long term are you be considered

frankly her farm can go bust for all I care but I guess that’s not the discussion

The funny thing is the same arguments are used by sturgeon and many on here look at her favourably

We've heard all about this 'negative' campaign but the leave campaign was to change things. That's a much easier sell. The only defence is saying how it would be worse with that change - being negative about it. If they said that the regions would continue to benefit from EU grants etc or that the cheaper wages kept prices of things like food low then this was jumped upon as negative or unpatriotic and that the British govt could improve funding to the regions with more control and that less foreign workers would allow Brits to get jobs and improve wages.

Leave could say all sorts of stuff and be positive because they could claim it would be better than now. The 'sunlit uplands'. They could claim freedom for farmers and fishermen, less red tape for importers/exporters, more money to the NHS. All sounding very positive. But thus far all proving to not be true. The 'negative' stance is proving to be accurate. Even from the day after the vote the main protagonists like Farage and Rees-Mogg were rowing back on the benefits and people like Dyson started making plans to move into Europe.

It's easier to entice someone to leave the person they're with to be with you cos it would be some much better - you'd have fun and it'd be a non-stop party. Years later when you're sitting in front of the TV having both spent all day at work so you can pay the bills it's a much harder sell when someone else is giving them the eye and making the same promises of how much better things will be.

Let's say someone started a rejoin campaign now. That campaign could take the positive stance because it could claim the changes would be beneficial. Worker shortages reduced, import/export problems removed, markets to sell products or work in. Whereas those who still supported Brexit would have to take the negative stance, saying that rejoining would be much worse.

Grendel · Oct 19, 2021

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
We've heard all about this 'negative' campaign but the leave campaign was to change things. That's a much easier sell. The only defence is saying how it would be worse with that change - being negative about it. If they said that the regions would continue to benefit from EU grants etc or that the cheaper wages kept prices of things like food low then this was jumped upon as negative or unpatriotic and that the British govt could improve funding to the regions with more control and that less foreign workers would allow Brits to get jobs and improve wages.

Leave could say all sorts of stuff and be positive because they could claim it would be better than now. The 'sunlit uplands'. They could claim freedom for farmers and fishermen, less red tape for importers/exporters, more money to the NHS. All sounding very positive. But thus far all proving to not be true. The 'negative' stance is proving to be accurate. Even from the day after the vote the main protagonists like Farage and Rees-Mogg were rowing back on the benefits and people like Dyson started making plans to move into Europe.

It's easier to entice someone to leave the person they're with to be with you cos it would be some much better - you'd have fun and it'd be a non-stop party. Years later when you're sitting in front of the TV having both spent all day at work so you can pay the bills it's a much harder sell when someone else is giving them the eye and making the same promises of how much better things will be.

Let's say someone started a rejoin campaign now. That campaign could take the positive stance because it could claim the changes would be beneficial. Worker shortages reduced, import/export problems removed, markets to sell products or work in. Whereas those who still supported Brexit would have to take the negative stance, saying that rejoining would be much worse.

I would love Labour to start a rejoin campaign - what a vote winner

As for voting for change we've in reality had a Tory government for 4 elections in a row

Frostie · Oct 19, 2021

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
We've heard all about this 'negative' campaign but the leave campaign was to change things. That's a much easier sell. The only defence is saying how it would be worse with that change - being negative about it. If they said that the regions would continue to benefit from EU grants etc or that the cheaper wages kept prices of things like food low then this was jumped upon as negative or unpatriotic and that the British govt could improve funding to the regions with more control and that less foreign workers would allow Brits to get jobs and improve wages.

Leave could say all sorts of stuff and be positive because they could claim it would be better than now. The 'sunlit uplands'. They could claim freedom for farmers and fishermen, less red tape for importers/exporters, more money to the NHS. All sounding very positive. But thus far all proving to not be true. The 'negative' stance is proving to be accurate. Even from the day after the vote the main protagonists like Farage and Rees-Mogg were rowing back on the benefits and people like Dyson started making plans to move into Europe.

It's easier to entice someone to leave the person they're with to be with you cos it would be some much better - you'd have fun and it'd be a non-stop party. Years later when you're sitting in front of the TV having both spent all day at work so you can pay the bills it's a much harder sell when someone else is giving them the eye and making the same promises of how much better things will be.

Let's say someone started a rejoin campaign now. That campaign could take the positive stance because it could claim the changes would be beneficial. Worker shortages reduced, import/export problems removed, markets to sell products or work in. Whereas those who still supported Brexit would have to take the negative stance, saying that rejoining would be much worse.

Astute · Oct 19, 2021

Grendel said:
I would love Labour to start a rejoin campaign - what a vote winner

As for voting for change we've in reality had a Tory government for 4 elections in a row

Which is why we are now so fucked up

PVA · Oct 19, 2021

Astute said:
Which is why we are now so fucked up

Quite.

It's amazing how many people fail to grasp this!

SIR ERNIE · Oct 19, 2021

Grendel said:
I would love Labour to start a rejoin campaign - what a vote winner

Only if they had rancid Rayner fronting the campaign.

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