Budding Footballers take heed (1 Viewer)

covboy1987 · Jun 20, 2017

Any budding footballers out there take serious note
Just because someone says your not good enough believe in your own ability- Look at the path of Peter Whittingham -
CCFC told him he was not good enough for a pro - football career and released him from our academy after spending 10 years with us from the age of 7
Deemed not good enough by us which is also strange as having looked at him for 10 years the decision was made that he would not make a pro footballer
Aston Villa snapped him up as soon as we let him go
He has been one of the most consistent performers in the championship for many years
It would be interesting to know who was responsible for that decision

Skybluefaz · Jun 20, 2017

covboy1987 said:
Any budding footballers out there take serious note
Just because someone says your not good enough believe in your own ability- Look at the path of Peter Whittingham -
CCFC told him he was not good enough for a pro - football career and released him from our academy after spending 10 years with us from the age of 7
Deemed not good enough by us which is also strange as having looked at him for 10 years the decision was made that he would not make a pro footballer
Aston Villa snapped him up as soon as we let him go
He has been one of the most consistent performers in the championship for many years
It would be interesting to know who was responsible for that decision

When you look at the career he went on to have its a disastrous mistake.

oucho · Jun 20, 2017

Skybluefaz said:
When you look at the career he went on to have its a disastrous mistake.

I have liked that but of course it is not good. Then again, let us not kid ourselves....if we'd kept him we'd have jumped at the first half decent bid that came along once he'd been in the first team for a few months.

speedie87 · Jun 20, 2017

We didn't say he wasn't good enough, he fell out with the academy director and left

SkyBlueScottie · Jun 20, 2017

Also, what's to say he would have gone to have the career he did, had he stayed here. No one knows what the future holds. He could have stayed,been sold after a season or 2, to a bigger club then rotted in the reserves. Look at Maddison, he went to a decent club, but it was perfectly obvious to me the manager at the time was not going to blood him into the 1st team set up, he is is nearing a critical point in his career, he needs to start making 1st team appearances soon.

ccfcway · Jun 20, 2017

SkyBlueScottie said:
Also, what's to say he would have gone to have the career he did, had he stayed here. No one knows what the future holds. He could have stayed,been sold after a season or 2, to a bigger club then rotted in the reserves. Look at Maddison, he went to a decent club, but it was perfectly obvious to me the manager at the time was not going to blood him into the 1st team set up, he is is nearing a critical point in his career, he needs to start making 1st team appearances soon.

he's 20 years old and has made over 50 senior apperances, plenty of time yet

Skybluefaz · Jun 20, 2017

oucho said:
I have liked that but of course it is not good. Then again, let us not kid ourselves....if we'd kept him we'd have jumped at the first half decent bid that came along once he'd been in the first team for a few months.

Of course. I can only think of Sheff in terms of players we held on to for a while. That is only because it took him a while to catch fire.

stupot07 · Jun 20, 2017

There are tons of stories like this, not sure why you need to have a dig at the club. Its symptomatic of academy football in england, and how we look at development in players. In France, Spain, Germany, etc they keep players until they are 21/22 and don't expect them to make their first team debuts until around this age. They see that players develop in different rates. Here players often make their debuts around 18/19 so players are judged and binned off a lot earlier for various reasons - they make early judgement on players because they are predicting what they will be like at 17/18 rather than 21/22.

Villa for example, released Clan Harries as they deemed him on big enough, and now you've got the likes of Liverpool sniffing around him. You win some, you lose some.

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Nick · Jun 20, 2017

Who was running the academy then?

stupot07 · Jun 20, 2017

Probably Richard Money?

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fernandopartridge · Jun 20, 2017

speedie87 said:
We didn't say he wasn't good enough, he fell out with the academy director and left

He left to go to a team in a higher division, I don't think he was rejected.

Nick · Jun 20, 2017

fernandopartridge said:
He left to go to a team in a higher division, I don't think he was rejected.

Ran off when we got relegated

Ranjit Bhurpa · Jun 20, 2017

stupot07 said:
There are tons of stories like this, not sure why you need to have a dig at the club. Its symptomatic of academy football in england, and how we look at development in players. In France, Spain, Germany, etc they keep players until they are 21/22 and don't expect them to make their first team debuts until around this age. They see that players develop in different rates. Here players often make their debuts around 18/19 so players are judged and binned off a lot earlier for various reasons - they make early judgement on players because they are predicting what they will be like at 17/18 rather than 21/22.

Villa for example, released Clan Harries as they deemed him on big enough, and now you've got the likes of Liverpool sniffing around him. You win some, you lose some.

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Wasn't Kevin Keegan on trial with us in the late 1960's but got rejected as being too small?
If only a very small percentage of academy players make it to the top, then the sheer weight of numbers involved makes mistakes or bad judgement calls inevitable.

stupot07 · Jun 20, 2017

Ranjit Bhurpa said:
Wasn't Kevin Keegan on trial with us in the late 1960's but got rejected as being too small?
If only a very small percentage of academy players make it to the top, then the sheer weight of numbers involved makes mistakes or bad judgement calls inevitable.

Yeah that's correct. We did reject Keegan.

And you're right about academy players. Just reading The Nowhere Men about scouts and to quote a passage in that:

"Around 10k boys are in the academy system. In the region of 1% will make a living out of the game. Two thirds of those given pro contracts at 18 are out of professional football by the time they are 21." There will be plenty of those 10k that are discarded who probably would have been good enough given more time to develop. A lot of people like to take a pop at our academy for not producing enough top top players, but consistently producing kids good enough to have a pro career is an amazing feat in itself, which is why were rated in the top 5 academies in the football league, and top 10 including the PL.

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Adge · Jun 20, 2017

Yep-Waddle, Keegan et al.

shmmeee · Jun 20, 2017

To budding footballers/actors/musicians:

Get a trade, you probably won't make it.

Ranjit Bhurpa · Jun 20, 2017

stupot07 said:
Yeah that's correct. We did reject Keegan.

And you're right about academy players. Just reading The Nowhere Men about scouts and to quote a passage in that:

"Around 10k boys are in the academy system. In the region of 1% will make a living out of the game. Two thirds of those given pro contracts at 18 are out of professional football by the time they are 21." There will be plenty of those 10k that are discarded who probably would have been good enough given more time to develop. A lot of people like to take a pop at our academy for not producing enough top top players, but consistently producing kids good enough to have a pro career is an amazing feat in itself, which is why were rated in the top 5 academies in the football league, and top 10 including the PL.

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Also remember being asked by Dad at 9 or 10 years of age what I wanted to do in later life. 'Be a footballer' was my reply and then being told not to be so stupid and that I needed to learn a trade or take an apprenticeship.
Probably the exact opposite is true today, given the professional academy structure, the aspiration of becoming one of the 1% who mare it and fuelled perhaps by pushy parents who want their children to have the life that they didn't.

covcity4life · Jun 20, 2017

i remember being told i would never make it as a professional footballer when i was 12

they were right.

Ranjit Bhurpa · Jun 20, 2017

covcity4life said:
i remember being told i would never make it as a professional footballer when i was 12

they were right.

Don't know your age but have you phoned Tone for a trial at Blackburn??

covcity4life · Jun 20, 2017

Ranjit Bhurpa said:
Don't know your age but have you phoned Tone for a trial at Blackburn??

it would be nice to play sexy football!

the guy who told me i wouldn't make it was called steve and he was 82, had a fetish for big men with no technical skills but can put it in row z

CJ_covblaze · Jun 20, 2017

Adge said:
Yep-Waddle, Keegan et al.

Carrick too. Here for 6 months and let go.

turbosnail · Jun 20, 2017

and steve heighway liverpool

SkyBlueScottie · Jun 21, 2017

ccfcway said:
he's 20 years old and has made over 50 senior apperances, plenty of time yet

Personally I think he will be fine and will go on to a bigger stage, but Football does not stand still... he wasnt the greatest example due to the circumstances of his sale ( ie it was the clubs decision) but there is still a chance he may not make the breakthrough, then he is 23 / 24 without a contract etc. Not a dig at him but more to point out that the world of football is not black and white, and presenting a different outlook to the OP who seemed to think that Whittingham would have made it here and we made a mistake in letting him go...

JulianDarbyFTW · Jun 21, 2017

Skybluefaz said:
Of course. I can only think of Sheff in terms of players we held on to for a while. That is only because it took him a while to catch fire.

And McAllister was ready to sell McSheffrey to Luton for 70k just before he started putting the ball in the onion bag on a regular basis.

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