Astute
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Wasps didn't say they couldn't talk. They said that they wouldn't talk until it had all finished. Just like they have said about us moving to the Butts.
Wasps didn't say they couldn't talk. They said that they wouldn't talk until it had all finished. Just like they have said about us moving to the Butts.Yes, but it still involved talking didn't it? Legals were ongoing then too.
It's the same as Wasps suddenly saying they can't talk because of legals, after they already had been.
He is saying he won't deal with Sisu only CCFC.It's funny how Jon Sharp is able to make a distinction between CCFC and SISU but some on here cannot...
Come on Nick. What brought us back to the Ricoh was the SISU plan to get it unencumbered didn't work and the vast majority of us not following them to Northampton.
Like I said you either didn't see it about Wasps or you chose to ignore it.I haven't ignored it, you said that they came back because nobody was going? Nobody went in the first season.
Without making any investment in the facilities (or giving them away when they had them) what right do CCFC have to the profits from them ?The 20,000 fans were paying an average of £10 per head to attend. With no revenues really from other sources the percentage was ridiculously high. Keep kissing the councils backside though.
Without making any investment in the facilities (or giving them away when they had them) what right do CCFC have to the profits from them ?
Not saying I'm happy about it but I do understand that you don't get something for nothing.
Unless you are an efficient hedge fund of coarse.
Do SISU own Stevenson now and have him on their books? Might want to let the FA know about third party ownership.
Did Joy sell Vincelot too?
Yes please. Can you cross reference the relationship they have with the owners as well ?Plenty of clubs have had something for nothing as you put it. Want to go through the list? Shall I start? How about Nottingham forest?
The 20,000 fans were paying an average of £10 per head to attend. With no revenues really from other sources the percentage was ridiculously high. Keep kissing the councils backside though.
My problem is as much when we went back to the likes of Robinson, Richardson, Elliott, McGinnity, Higgs etc. Confidentiality agreements when Richardson left meant we never knew why our club had been run into the ground, and nothing was tested objectively... so all we were left with was rumour and innuendo.
Now I'm not saying that this particular legal action will provide all (any?) of the answers, but I do think things should be tested if needs be. Something, in all this... doesn't sit right (and yes, I appreciate this particular legal action will probably not get to that - if only we had journalists who actually investigated, rather than just throwing FOI requests in) so I'd like all areas to be tested if needs be. I appreciate that might, in the short term, hurt the club as collateral damage (from all sides) but in the long term, I think it's necessary. Somewhere, from all sides, we need this swept apart so we can start seeing the club as a club, with benefits that can't be measured on a balance sheet, or even in a general strategy of the council (and no, by sayng this, this doesn't mean that we don't need the same from owners either... just to cover the tedious responses)
And yes, I will repeat the blackmailWe'll end up in circles and probably have to agree to differ, but I don't understand why any agreement reached by talking can't then be contingent on legal action being dropped anyway. If a deal were good enough for the club/owners, I bet the legal action'd go away...
Why? They were in the wrong books last time (along with the golden share) and they did absolutely nothing.
I fully agree.I agree about wanting all areas to be tested, but the problem I have with it is that I don't think JR2 will provide any answers, but will just prolong the agony for a few more years, and may see us drop into oblivion.
Dropping the legals may actually switch that light on at the end of the tunnel, hence it may be the better option for CCFC.
Far too much sense for many on here to understand! And I do worry about people at times!:woot:Sisu have played a game of poker with the club ever since they worked out the premiership gold mine was not an option. Since then they have been bluffing and still are, no matter which way they turn they come running back as they know the city is the key to a return of any sort of money. I said it few years ago, its ok playing poker but when everyone else around knows your hand its time to fold your hand and take the hit.
Every other party will not, does not and cares not to deal with Sisu, they dont have too, so blame other parties, all you want, but over time they have all gained a better hand while SISU have fucked about with a pair, in more ways then one. So again do Tim and Les's work for them, blame everyone else but you go down the path Sisu have they should not be expecting favour's, hand outs or a lovely conversation over a cuppa tea. They are using our passion and emotion of the club we love as a tool against people and parties from within the city.
Until these show, money, investment, a plan of short, mid and long term all the other parties are saying we have heard it all before, as Tim says a few have turned up with an offer for the club, but not one has shown the ability to have the backing. He should look at that statement and now know that is what others are thinking of him and his so called investors. He may be able to play a room full of rightly highly charged and upset fans but he is dealing with people of the same ilk when dealing with fella owners or CCC and they will play hard back. So Tim show your hand and stop telling your little friend to spout rubbish and either Fold or fucking shut up and give the fans a break from falling over ourselves to fight each other.
Enjoy wembley but all should show that this club is a mess and with the right people the 40, 000 people would and will support something that they are proud of and want to follow and pass down for generations for better days a head.
The biggest piece of blackmail was taking the club to Sixfields and holding them to ransom there.No, it wasn't at Sixfields it was after that. Nice try though.
You can also see it as blackmail that the club will be forced out if they don't drop it
So, can't be arsed to read the whole thread.
Has anyone worked out what is being mediated yet or are we all still busy frothing at the mouth?
I said nothing about going bust , my point is the total disregard for this football club by the council which started way , way before sisu arrived.Lol,
You and Gendall must be extremely gullable and stupid to believe that a championship club who had an average gate of 20,000 fans could go bust twice just because of a £1.2million annual rent.
I agree about wanting all areas to be tested, but the problem I have with it is that I don't think JR2 will provide any answers, but will just prolong the agony for a few more years, and may see us drop into oblivion.
Dropping the legals may actually switch that light on at the end of the tunnel, hence it may be the better option for CCFC.
Really? So surely if she gives the nod to say yes, she gave the nod to say no to the offers?
Do you go to games to support CCFC or do you go there to support SISU?
I thought that Tim Fisher of CCFC had agreed a rent reduction with ACL and CCC until Joy Sepalla of Sisu said no. Who has the ultimate say so and control?Yep, he could.
Unless of course you go to games to support SISU?
The same way that Cov Rugby, Ticketmaster and Just Sport have agreements with CCFC and not SISU.
He is saying he won't deal with Sisu only CCFC.
Love to know how that on will work when CCFC have not got the ability to finance the stadium, or the liquidity to give an investor confidence in building a stadium.
They will always have to go back to Sisu like they always have.
If Jon Sharp believes he can deal with one but not the other he is either a fool or he playing a very clever game for CRFC.
I thought that Tim Fisher of CCFC had agreed a rent reduction with ACL and CCC until Joy Sepalla of Sisu said no. Who has the ultimate say so and control?
So he's forgotten that crc were not informed about a franchise rugby team being airlifted onto their doorstep , that's how much they cared about them.He is a smart man.
He makes the most of Wasps been here. Using their players, getting extra fans in who are pissed off with SISU and Wasps.
He has a good relationship with CCC as they have to give him leeway because he could have kicked up a massive stink over the Wasps situation and its impact on CRFC.
Now he has SISU banging on his door trying throw money at him to develop CRFC's stadium.
Now he isn't dumb and he knows SISU are desperate so if it is going to happen it will happen on his terms and what's best for the Rugby club.
Yet he also knows how SISU have failed to produce on quite a few plans recently.
He knows their are issues with SISU, CCC and Wasps. So he isn't going to risk burning his bridges.
So he sets out his agenda with SISU such as only a 12k capacity stadium and that it will be controlled by CRFC.
At the same time he keeps Wasps and the Council happy with a carefully worded statement about not dealing with SISU and peace has to break out first.
He us a smart man
What I find amazing. Is all these people who have wanted any other organisation to bend over backwards as long as it's for the good of CCFC.
They actively wanted a children's charity to be put under financial pressure.
They wanted a business half owned by CCC half owned by a charity to go bust.
They currently want Wasps to go bust and their fans to suffer.
All because it would be good for CCFC.
They supported CCFC breaking a legally binding contract.
Some even were ok with the club been held at ransom in another town!!
All these people want mediation and a solution to the problem.
Wasps and the Council apparently can help do this. They are both asking for legal action to be dropped that affects them both so they can start helping.
Yet the jokers on here who want the best at all costs for CCFC above all else. What do they say.....
Oh no you can't affect SISU's right to taken legal action!!!
Best post this year without question....
It never came across to me as a means to resolve JR2. That's why it baffles me that so many people on here, where everyone should be a CCFC supporter, are quick to defend the council and Wasps for not agreeing to mediation.Just to clarify one point as certain journalists are trying to muddy the water - the mediation is not meant to resolve JR2 and the rights and wrongs of the sale of the Ricoh, rent strikes etc etc (the same historical bollox that gets rehashed here ad infinitum). It is about securing a future for CCFC. This should cover the academy, the training ground and the home ground - all matters that, to a lesser or greater degree, involve CCFC, CCC, ACL/Wasps, CRFC, Coventry Sports Foundation, FA, FL, Sport England, Rugby Borough Council.
When you read some of the apologist nonsense on here "yeah it was high rent but" and posters going into like over drive it hammers home the fact that with fans like ours who needs enemiesIt never came across to me as a means to resolve JR2. That's why it baffles me that so many people on here, where everyone should be a CCFC supporter, are quick to defend the council and Wasps for not agreeing to mediation.
If they don't at some point all start talking again we will undoubtedly be playing out of the city after next season.
He is a smart man.
He makes the most of Wasps been here. Using their players, getting extra fans in who are pissed off with SISU and Wasps.
He has a good relationship with CCC as they have to give him leeway because he could have kicked up a massive stink over the Wasps situation and its impact on CRFC.
Now he has SISU banging on his door trying throw money at him to develop CRFC's stadium.
Now he isn't dumb and he knows SISU are desperate so if it is going to happen it will happen on his terms and what's best for the Rugby club.
Yet he also knows how SISU have failed to produce on quite a few plans recently.
He knows their are issues with SISU, CCC and Wasps. So he isn't going to risk burning his bridges.
So he sets out his agenda with SISU such as only a 12k capacity stadium and that it will be controlled by CRFC.
At the same time he keeps Wasps and the Council happy with a carefully worded statement about not dealing with SISU and peace has to break out first.
He us a smart man
Do you really think Tim is brave enough to sanction the sale of one of our better players with out consulting Joy first? I mean she's hurting now. Imagine what she would be like if a player who would arguably be instrumental in a quick return to league one was sold. She'd probably join the Trust, get a ticket to the next forum with TF and stand at the back of the room shouting abuse at him like others who are hurting.
I agree , it is not about stopping jr2 , it's about forging some kind of relationship.It never came across to me as a means to resolve JR2. That's why it baffles me that so many people on here, where everyone should be a CCFC supporter, are quick to defend the council and Wasps for not agreeing to mediation.
If they don't at some point all start talking again we will undoubtedly be playing out of the city after next season.
Just to clarify one point as certain journalists are trying to muddy the water - the mediation is not meant to resolve JR2 and the rights and wrongs of the sale of the Ricoh, rent strikes etc etc (the same historical bollox that gets rehashed here ad infinitum). It is about securing a future for CCFC. This should cover the academy, the training ground and the home ground - all matters that, to a lesser or greater degree, involve CCFC, CCC, ACL/Wasps, CRFC, Coventry Sports Foundation, FA, FL, Sport England, Rugby Borough Council. The Trust view is that the council and wasps could enter into the process without prejudicing their legal position with regard JR2, it might even strengthen their hand if they are seen to be co-operating, and they do not have to stray onto any territory involving JR2. The football club should present to the mediator what they believe they require going forward to survive and prosper and the mediator should engage with the other parties as to the deliverability of these. CCC have said they will look at any planning applications made (which would be from CRFC not CCFC anyway) as its their statutory duty to do so but until that is done how can they be active, passive or indifferent?
Maybe it is more smoke and mirrors and hollow soundbites from Fisher as he stalls for time and keeps FL at bay for another year or two with the scheme of the BPA as the latest "answer" whilst Seppala ploughs on with JR2 to keep her investors off her back and all the while the club sinks lower and lower but I think that CCC should engage in the process and call his bluff.
I said nothing about going bust , my point is the total disregard for this football club by the council which started way , way before sisu arrived.
Are you so gullible as to believe ccc have in any way been upfront about anything at all. They saw us as a cash cow and used us as such.
Please remember we had a buy back clause which as it turns out wasn't worth jack shit with ccc holding a veto.
This is pure spite and has been since the day we moved.
I despise sisu , but ccc , wasps and this city of rugby Bollocks is up there with them.
The irony is that initially the council didn't even want a stadium.
Which chunks ?Yeah huge chunks of this are just way way off the mark. Like most of it. Trust me.
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