CCFC director says court case "regrettable" (1 Viewer)

Astute · Apr 8, 2014

fernandopartridge said:
No, there wasn't. Hence the claim failed. The court cased assessed the legal basis and found there was none.

Why did the judge take so long to decide then? If there was no legal basis he would have decided straight away. His 5 minutes ended up taking ages. The legal basis were there. He had to take everything into consideration though.

duffer · Apr 8, 2014

fernandopartridge said:
No, there wasn't. Hence the claim failed. The court cased assessed the legal basis and found there was none.

There clearly was a basis for the claim - a signed contract which said SISU would pay Higgs costs under certain conditions. I think it's kind of splitting hairs, but there's your 'legal basis'. What the judge decided, specifically, was that the specifics of contract law didn't allow the claim to succeed in this instance.

The Higgs took legal advice, and their lawyers thought they had sufficient grounds to proceed - it took two days for the court to go through it all, so clearly it wasn't open and shut.

To my mind it's patently ridiculous to say the case shouldn't have been brought, but then that's what ML seems to specialise in. From the judge's comments and the amount of time spent on considering matters, it would probably be fairer to say that SISU didn't have much of a 'basis' for their counterclaim.

I'm guessing though that in Labovitch's world it's perfectly acceptable for SISU to threaten or use legal action no matter what their actual chance of success, whereas presumably everyone else should just behave themselves and accept what they are told.

I note again the threat of expensive legal action against the Trust, by SISU, as a way to stifle dissent. You'll forgive me for not accepting Labovitch as a neutral (or even intelligent) opinion on the rights and wrongs of taking legal action.

Nick · Apr 8, 2014

Do we forget it isn't just SISU who use legal action?

Jesus, with the trust they only sent them a cease and desist, it is the fact that it went straight to the CET and got massively over exaggerated. Do I agree with it? No. Was it such a big deal that people go on about? Not really.

He does seem a bit "wild" with his comments, but is he trying to scattergun the situation?

James Smith · Apr 8, 2014

I've merged the two threads about this

Nick · Apr 8, 2014

Thanks James, beat me to it

Sub · Apr 8, 2014

Mark Labovitch, CCFC non-executive director, said today that the action was brought by Sisu and not the football club and expressed his sorrow at the situation.

FFS .Do they run the football club or have i missed something here ??:facepalm:

Nick · Apr 8, 2014

Sub said:
Mark Labovitch, CCFC non-executive director, said today that the action was brought by Sisu and not the football club and expressed his sorrow at the situation.

FFS .Do they run the football club or have i missed something here ??:facepalm:

I guess it could be different cases of who they are trying to pursue, couldn't it?

Sub · Apr 8, 2014

Nick said:
I guess it could be different cases of who they are trying to pursue, couldn't it?

yes but they are one and the same thing arnt they or is he trying to distance SISU from CCFC now?

The case was only brought because of the crap surrounding CCFC

James Smith · Apr 8, 2014

One way of looking at it is that the Higgs won the £290k counterclaim when it was deposed(?) by the judge, and lost the £29k expenses claim that they originally brought. Or Sisu lost the £290k counterclaim when it was deposed(?) by the judge, and won the £29k expenses claim that was originally brought against them. :slap:

Nick · Apr 8, 2014

Sub said:
yes but they are one and the same thing arnt they or is he trying to distance SISU from CCFC now?

The case was only brought because of the crap surrounding CCFC

To be fair, on the court paper it does include all of the CCFC names doesn't it? I think it did, can't remember.

Sub · Apr 8, 2014

Nick said:
To be fair, on the court paper it does include all of the CCFC names doesn't it? I think it did, can't remember.

same here nick so much shit slinging going on i can not tell who the hell is on whos side any more or how many sides there are

sky blue john · Apr 8, 2014

Sub said:
Mark Labovitch, CCFC non-executive director, said today that the action was brought by Sisu and not the football club and expressed his sorrow at the situation.

FFS .Do they run the football club or have i missed something here ??:facepalm:

Amazing how nieve some on here are.
The action was brought by the following according to the one sided court documents posted.
Sisu Capital.
Sisu Capital Master fund.
Arvo Master fund.
Sky Blue Sports And Leisure.
Otium Entertainment Group

Did all these companies exist or were active in the negotiations for Higgs shares ?
Are any of these companies solely responsible for ccfc ?

sky blue john · Apr 8, 2014

Oh and Joy didn't realize ccfc had stopped paying the rent !!

covcity4life · Apr 8, 2014

fair play imo

sisu didnt want to give higgs a spanking, they were forced into it.

shmmeee · Apr 8, 2014

Nick said:
Do we forget it isn't just SISU who use legal action?

Jesus, with the trust they only sent them a cease and desist, it is the fact that it went straight to the CET and got massively over exaggerated. Do I agree with it? No. Was it such a big deal that people go on about? Not really.

He does seem a bit "wild" with his comments, but is he trying to scattergun the situation?

Sorry if you don't think a club targeting (because they weren't the only ones who posted the link) the fans to stifle dissent is a big deal, I really have to question what would be a big deal to you?

I assume you'd be OK if Sisu told you to shut down this place because a few people post anti-Sisu stuff?

sky blue john · Apr 8, 2014

I want my club back playing in Cov but I am not prepared to support owners that have no plan to return us to Cov and blatantly lie !!

Godiva · Apr 8, 2014

sky blue john said:
Oh and Joy didn't realize ccfc had stopped paying the rent !!

With double '!!' ...
Can you please show where she says that?

Or did she say something in line of 'it was a club decision to withheld rent payments'?

shmmeee · Apr 8, 2014

Godiva said:
With double '!!' ...
Can you please show where she says that?

Or did she say something in line of 'it was a club decision to withheld rent payments'?

A club she owns...

James Smith · Apr 8, 2014

covcity4life said:
fair play imo

sisu didnt want to give higgs a spanking, they were forced into it.

Not sure it was a financial spanking (if it was a spanking at all judge described it as a nill all draw) as Sisu had 8 lawyers vs the Higgs 2 in court and both sides are paying their own costs.

Slightly worried that as OEG and SBSAL were named as bringing the counterclaim, our club will be landed with the bill.

sky blue john · Apr 8, 2014

Godiva said:
With double '!!' ...
Can you please show where she says that?

Or did she say something in line of 'it was a club decision to withheld rent payments'?

Do you believe she didn't make the decision and or was not aware of the decision for ccfc to withhold the rent ?

sky blue john · Apr 8, 2014

covcity4life said:
fair play imo

sisu didnt want to give higgs a spanking, they were forced into it.

Do you not feel a bit silly having covcity4life tag name when by supporting Sisu means that ccfc will never play in Coventry again.

Godiva · Apr 8, 2014

sky blue john said:
Oh and Joy didn't realize ccfc had stopped paying the rent !!

Godiva said:
With double '!!' ...
Can you please show where she says that?

Or did she say something in line of 'it was a club decision to withheld rent payments'?

sky blue john said:
Do you believe she didn't make the decision and or was not aware of the decision for ccfc to withhold the rent ?

It's not about what we believe or not - you said that she didn't realize ccfc had stopped paying rent.
I know that was a sarcastic remark, but it ended being just a blatant lie. She never did say anything like she was unaware of the rent strike. She said that it was not her decision.

There are enough true facts to argue. Making up false facts are not helping anyone or any side.

You are just as trustworthy as you believe sisu are.

Nick · Apr 8, 2014

sky blue john said:
Do you not feel a bit silly having covcity4life tag name when by supporting Sisu means that ccfc will never play in Coventry again.

Do you not feel silly having sky blue john when just by guessing, you aren't actually Sky Blue?

sky blue john · Apr 8, 2014

Godiva said:
It's not about what we believe or not - you said that she didn't realize ccfc had stopped paying rent.
I know that was a sarcastic remark, but it ended being just a blatant lie. She never did say anything like she was unaware of the rent strike. She said that it was not her decision.

There are enough true facts to argue. Making up false facts are not helping anyone or any side.

You are just as trustworthy as you believe sisu are.

Can you not give an honest answer to this question ?
Do you believe Joy was not involved in the decision for ccfc to withhold the rent ?

fernandopartridge · Apr 8, 2014

sky blue john said:
Can you not give an honest answer to this question ?
Do you believe Joy was not involved in the decision for ccfc to withhold the rent ?

In the same way, why can't Ann Lucas discuss a rental deal for the Arena?

sky blue john · Apr 8, 2014

fernandopartridge said:
In the same way, why can't Ann Lucas discuss a rental deal for the Arena?

I don't understand your question I thought they had a meeting ?

Sky Blue Pete · Apr 8, 2014

With who? Sisu?

sky blue john · Apr 8, 2014

sky blue john said:
Amazing how nieve some on here are.
The action was brought by the following according to the one sided court documents posted.
Sisu Capital.
Sisu Capital Master fund.
Arvo Master fund.
Sky Blue Sports And Leisure.
Otium Entertainment Group

Did all these companies exist or were active in the negotiations for Higgs shares ?
Are any of these companies solely responsible for ccfc ?

You also bypassed this one Godiva with ML claiming the higgs case was not an action taken by the club !!!
If thats the case please explain exactly the purpose and what the companies above are responsible for ?

Godiva · Apr 8, 2014

sky blue john said:
Can you not give an honest answer to this question ?
Do you believe Joy was not involved in the decision for ccfc to withhold the rent ?

I think she knew - even agreed.
But it was a management decision - they are ultimately responsible.

But that was not where you started. What you said was a lie. Unless you can prove otherwise of course.
That makes you just as trustworthy as you claim sisu are.

Godiva · Apr 8, 2014

sky blue john said:
You also bypassed this one Godiva with ML claiming the higgs case was not an action taken by the club !!!
If thats the case please explain exactly the purpose and what the companies above are responsible for ?

I bypassed it because I don't feel I have to comment on everything.
But if you insist:
The defendant was Sisu
The rest is listed as Third Party.

A lawyer can tell you the difference.

covcity4life · Apr 8, 2014

sky blue john said:
Do you not feel a bit silly having covcity4life tag name when by supporting Sisu means that ccfc will never play in Coventry again.

do you not feel a bit stupid talking rubbish?

i don't support sisu or the council, both play their part in fucking ccfc over and both will get it in the neck from me when they do such silly things.

sky blue john · Apr 8, 2014

Godiva said:
I bypassed it because I don't feel I have to comment on everything.
But if you insist:
The defendant was Sisu
The rest is listed as Third Party.

A lawyer can tell you the difference.

Sorry I hold my hands up to that one i didn't spot the third party on the document.

The Gentleman · Apr 8, 2014

covcity4life said:
do you not feel a bit stupid talking rubbish?

i don't support sisu or the council, both play their part in fucking ccfc over and both will get it in the neck from me when they do such silly things.

When will Sisu get it in the neck then?

covcity4life · Apr 8, 2014

The Gentleman said:
When will Sisu get it in the neck then?

have done for years, read through all my previous posts. have blamed and swore at sisu many a time.

CCFCSteve · Apr 8, 2014

Nick said:
Do we forget it isn't just SISU who use legal action?

Jesus, with the trust they only sent them a cease and desist, it is the fact that it went straight to the CET and got massively over exaggerated. Do I agree with it? No. Was it such a big deal that people go on about? Not really.

He does seem a bit "wild" with his comments, but is he trying to scattergun the situation?

SISU themselves say they use legal actions "to batter people". I have been informed that over the years there may have been other threats of legal action (even if they haven't come to fruition). The fact is their behaviour has been totally unacceptable. The CHARITY were trying to recover money they felt they were due, if memory serves me correctly they've also had historical issues around payment of rent, repair of equipment etc. You can hardly blame them for having enough ! Then you get people like ML pointing the finger at everyone else without taking any responsibility, I'll leave it there before I say what I really think of him (and the others) !

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