Bennettbarnet
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No, he hasn't. He's shown himself to be ignorant and old fashioned by virtue of his opinion but at no time has he been offensive.
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No, he hasn't. He's shown himself to be ignorant and old fashioned by virtue of his opinion but at no time has he been offensive.He has.
It is just the mask slipping.
No, he hasn't. He's shown himself to be ignorant and old fashioned by virtue of his opinion but at no time has he been offensive.
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I think the problem with your viewpoint is it somewhat distorted through the lens of time. You appear on the face of it to be from a bygone era where the likes of Alf Garnett and Bernard Manning were considered acceptable but the world is now different to the one that you grew up in.Not sure why you are asking me this. The notion of a traditional nuclear family is not my dictate. I’m merely considering and comparing several millennia of what was considered the traditional family unit which I agree with as opposed to the last 1 or 2 decades of 21st century thinking.
Nor am I diminishing you or your husband’s capabilities of providing solid care and love to your daughter who you rescued from what sounds like a dreadful situation. As much as you could be the best fathers any child could ever have, you will never be the best mothers.
The first understanding any child gets about gender qualities is usually from a loving mother and father. If one of those is missing, there is an automatic relational imbalance that child will have to navigate at some point. Each gender brings something different to the party to encourage a rounded development of son or daughter. I am sure you and your husband have discussed this but when your daughter reaches puberty and adolescence a daughter will generally benefit most from her mother’s guidance. Since neither of you have those qualities, she will have to glean that from an alternative mother figure and if she is unable to do that where will that leave her emotionally?
You say my views are among the minority on this thread, perhaps they are but this forum is not a barometer for society as I believe there is still a silent and vocal majority. I notice that several regular posters have vented their frustrations with my stance with colourful language and name calling. I am not looking for anyone’s approval and truly do not care for it. Nor am I looking to wind people up as I see no benefit in that. I started this thread to see if my stance regarding CCFC supporting Rainbow Laces was valid or not. I understand why the campaign exists but still uneasy with the deeper ramifications it poses in my opinion which I will not go into on this thread.
As for your genuine question, I do not possess a crystal ball so cannot tell you that one way or another, only time will tell. But if you are really asking for my opinion, since society is basically people which includes children then I would say that any child brought up in a single sex environment will not be better off no matter how loving the parents are.
It's offensive to say you have a choice in your sexuality.No, he hasn't. He's shown himself to be ignorant and old fashioned by virtue of his opinion but at no time has he been offensive.
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Its his opinion! You don't have to be outraged and offended everytime someone offers a different opinion to you. Disagree with it, call him a nobber and move on.Saying ‘your daughter can’t ever be as effectively raised by you as she could be by a man and a woman’ isn’t offensive?
Its his opinion! You don't have to be outraged and offended everytime someone offers a different opinion to you. Disagree with it, call him a nobber and move on.
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I'm not a fan of milk.You don't have to be outraged and offended everytime someone offers a different opinion to you.
And by so doing, pretty much everyone is therefore confirming his views as offensive, as otherwise they wouldn't feel annoyed enough to respond!Pretty much what most of us have done.
Its his opinion! You don't have to be outraged and offended everytime someone offers a different opinion to you. Disagree with it, call him a nobber and move on.
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Not sure why you are asking me this. The notion of a traditional nuclear family is not my dictate. I’m merely considering and comparing several millennia of what was considered the traditional family unit which I agree with as opposed to the last 1 or 2 decades of 21st century thinking.
Nor am I diminishing you or your husband’s capabilities of providing solid care and love to your daughter who you rescued from what sounds like a dreadful situation. As much as you could be the best fathers any child could ever have, you will never be the best mothers.
The first understanding any child gets about gender qualities is usually from a loving mother and father. If one of those is missing, there is an automatic relational imbalance that child will have to navigate at some point. Each gender brings something different to the party to encourage a rounded development of son or daughter. I am sure you and your husband have discussed this but when your daughter reaches puberty and adolescence a daughter will generally benefit most from her mother’s guidance. Since neither of you have those qualities, she will have to glean that from an alternative mother figure and if she is unable to do that where will that leave her emotionally?
You say my views are among the minority on this thread, perhaps they are but this forum is not a barometer for society as I believe there is still a silent and vocal majority. I notice that several regular posters have vented their frustrations with my stance with colourful language and name calling. I am not looking for anyone’s approval and truly do not care for it. Nor am I looking to wind people up as I see no benefit in that. I started this thread to see if my stance regarding CCFC supporting Rainbow Laces was valid or not. I understand why the campaign exists but still uneasy with the deeper ramifications it poses in my opinion which I will not go into on this thread.
As for your genuine question, I do not possess a crystal ball so cannot tell you that one way or another, only time will tell. But if you are really asking for my opinion, since society is basically people which includes children then I would say that any child brought up in a single sex environment will not be better off no matter how loving the parents are.
It is not for me to say what can and can't offend people. We all walk a different path and are all triggered by different things. But it just doesn't matter does it? In your's and many others, his opinion is wrong. Fine. Then educate him as to why it is wrong. I don't think he is trolling, I just think he is very misinformed so educate.I’m not outraged just pointing out that he has been offensive and saying ‘well it’s his opinion’ doesn’t change that. What he’s said also insults those raising children on their own through no fault of their own.
Not personally insulted him once.
It is not for me to say what can and can't offend people. We all walk a different path and are all triggered by different things. But it just doesn't matter does it? In your's and many others, his opinion is wrong. Fine. Then educate him as to why it is wrong. I don't think he is trolling, I just think he is very misinformed so educate.
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Its about perspective though. If I am a dairy farmer and am struggling to survive as it is, I might be offended that you have so brazenly offered your opinion about milk on the Internet without a second thought for how that might affect me and my business.I'm not a fan of milk.
I think superchargers are more effective than turbochargers.
I wish the orange ball would come back.
It's someone's choice over whether to be gay, and they can't raise a child as well as a heterosexual couple.
Now, why taking offense at the last suggests that you therefore get offended at every diffeent opinion is beyond me.
Its about perspective though. If I am a dairy farmer and am struggling to survive as it is, I might be offended that you have so brazenly offered your opinion about milk on the Internet without a second thought for how that might affect me and my business.
What is curious though is the apparent virtue signalling in todays society. If its a politically sensitive subject, such as the last of your examples, people just can't wait to queue up and tell everyone how offended they are.
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OK so he has a prejudice. What now?I and plenty of others have tried. He’s even been given real life examples from gay members on here, and continues to tell them they’ll never be as good as a heterosexual couple.
At some point this has to be called out for what it is, prejudice.
Possibly, but more likely it’s just bait.I mean I think he’s asked for an open discussion - think some posters have been harsh.
Not sure why you are asking me this. The notion of a traditional nuclear family is not my dictate. I’m merely considering and comparing several millennia of what was considered the traditional family unit which I agree with as opposed to the last 1 or 2 decades of 21st century thinking.
Nor am I diminishing you or your husband’s capabilities of providing solid care and love to your daughter who you rescued from what sounds like a dreadful situation. As much as you could be the best fathers any child could ever have, you will never be the best mothers.
The first understanding any child gets about gender qualities is usually from a loving mother and father. If one of those is missing, there is an automatic relational imbalance that child will have to navigate at some point. Each gender brings something different to the party to encourage a rounded development of son or daughter. I am sure you and your husband have discussed this but when your daughter reaches puberty and adolescence a daughter will generally benefit most from her mother’s guidance. Since neither of you have those qualities, she will have to glean that from an alternative mother figure and if she is unable to do that where will that leave her emotionally?
You say my views are among the minority on this thread, perhaps they are but this forum is not a barometer for society as I believe there is still a silent and vocal majority. I notice that several regular posters have vented their frustrations with my stance with colourful language and name calling. I am not looking for anyone’s approval and truly do not care for it. Nor am I looking to wind people up as I see no benefit in that. I started this thread to see if my stance regarding CCFC supporting Rainbow Laces was valid or not. I understand why the campaign exists but still uneasy with the deeper ramifications it poses in my opinion which I will not go into on this thread.
As for your genuine question, I do not possess a crystal ball so cannot tell you that one way or another, only time will tell. But if you are really asking for my opinion, since society is basically people which includes children then I would say that any child brought up in a single sex environment will not be better off no matter how loving the parents are.
Possibly, but more likely it’s just bait.
OK so he has a prejudice. What now?
Are you telling me that you don't have offensive predjudices? And think about it before you answer.
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Yeah cos that makes sense.as I believe there is still a silent and vocal majority
No, I am not. If a Flat Earth believer was on here you wouldn't be offended by them. Its that his opinion is politically sensitive and therefor you are offended and have a need to tell everyone just how offended you are. Its the very definition of virtue signalling.I think you’re confusing virtue signalling with people actually holding an opinion that’s different from yours.
The man’s opinion is provably wrong. Evidence shows being gay is innate and gay couple raise children with better outcomes than straight ones.
And in what was is being gay “politically sensitive” FFS? Do you think all gay people are left wing??
No, I am not. If a Flat Earth believer was on here you wouldn't be offended by them. Its that his opinion is politically sensitive and therefor you are offended and have a need to tell everyone just how offended you are. Its the very definition of virtue signalling.
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Why is challenging a bigoted viewpoint virtue signalling? It’s yet another USA import to discourage challenging bigotry.No, I am not. If a Flat Earth believer was on here you wouldn't be offended by them. Its that his opinion is politically sensitive and therefor you are offended and have a need to tell everyone just how offended you are. Its the very definition of virtue signalling.
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No, I am not. If a Flat Earth believer was on here you wouldn't be offended by them. Its that his opinion is politically sensitive and therefor you are offended and have a need to tell everyone just how offended you are. Its the very definition of virtue signalling.
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So everybody who challenges these opinions is virtue signalling?
“Virtue signalling” the simple way to dismiss any good deed, positive sentiment or defence of anything, while not having an argument to make.So everybody who challenges these opinions is virtue signalling?
It's not virtue signalling, it's calling out something offensive as offensive.What is curious though is the apparent virtue signalling in todays society. If its a politically sensitive subject, such as the last of your examples, people just can't wait to queue up and tell everyone how offended they are.
It's a ridiculous take on it isn't it?
But my point is that we all carry prejudices. It is a human survival instinct. It is the reason we don't walk the streets at night by a group of youths, why we cross the road if someone heading our way doesn't look right and why we were on high alert to anyone of Arabian looking descent when flying on a plane right after 9/11. It is nonsense prejudice.Well when I next write a long post on not seeing the point of anti-homophobia or anti-racist campaigns in sport then you can comment first.
Not sure why you are asking me this. The notion of a traditional nuclear family is not my dictate. I’m merely considering and comparing several millennia of what was considered the traditional family unit which I agree with as opposed to the last 1 or 2 decades of 21st century thinking.
Nor am I diminishing you or your husband’s capabilities of providing solid care and love to your daughter who you rescued from what sounds like a dreadful situation. As much as you could be the best fathers any child could ever have, you will never be the best mothers.
The first understanding any child gets about gender qualities is usually from a loving mother and father. If one of those is missing, there is an automatic relational imbalance that child will have to navigate at some point. Each gender brings something different to the party to encourage a rounded development of son or daughter. I am sure you and your husband have discussed this but when your daughter reaches puberty and adolescence a daughter will generally benefit most from her mother’s guidance. Since neither of you have those qualities, she will have to glean that from an alternative mother figure and if she is unable to do that where will that leave her emotionally?
You say my views are among the minority on this thread, perhaps they are but this forum is not a barometer for society as I believe there is still a silent and vocal majority. I notice that several regular posters have vented their frustrations with my stance with colourful language and name calling. I am not looking for anyone’s approval and truly do not care for it. Nor am I looking to wind people up as I see no benefit in that. I started this thread to see if my stance regarding CCFC supporting Rainbow Laces was valid or not. I understand why the campaign exists but still uneasy with the deeper ramifications it poses in my opinion which I will not go into on this thread.
As for your genuine question, I do not possess a crystal ball so cannot tell you that one way or another, only time will tell. But if you are really asking for my opinion, since society is basically people which includes children then I would say that any child brought up in a single sex environment will not be better off no matter how loving the parents are.
In the main, people aren't challenging with any degree of articulation, they are whinging cos he hurt their feelings.So everybody who challenges these opinions is virtue signalling?
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