CET: Nearly 40 managers have applied so far. (1 Viewer)

skyblu3sk · Aug 29, 2012

DYCHE, WISE AND BLACKWELL AMONG SKY BLUES HOPEFULS
NEARLY 40 candidates have already applied to become Coventry City's new manager.

The list to replace Andy Thorn includes Dennis Wise, who became a firm favourite during his brief spell as a player in 2006 after guiding Millwall into Europe.
Kevin Blackwell, who steered Leeds and Sheffield United to the Championship play-off final and watched Saturday's fateful 2-2 draw against Bury as a radio pundit, is keen on a fresh start at the Ricoh.
And Sean Dyche, who did an excellent low-budget job at Watford last season before being ditched by the new Italian owners to make way for Gianfranco Zola, also threw his hat in the ring within 48 hours of Thorn's departure.
All three meet the club's priority for a man experienced in League One and Championship football. But caretaker Richard Shaw, who spent five years as a coach and assistant manager at Millwall before being before becoming Thorn's No.2 in July, staked his claim last night as he steered the Sky Coventry City 3 Bimringham 2 (after extra-time) By Andy Turner RICHARD Shaw staked an impressive early claim for the full-time manager's job after the Sky Blues pulled off an unlikely Capital One Cup victory over neighbours Birmingham City.

Otis · Aug 29, 2012

Out of that lot it would have to be Wise for me.

Yep, Dyche did really well but all he did (no offence) was get Watford to mid-table. An achievement yes, but it's not like the bloke has had any success. Blackwell has had success and failure but it doesn't seem the fans have liked him much wherever he has been.

Great result last night but Shaw is obviously a novice and it's just one game.

Interested to see how it all pans out but seems the choice who would be most popular with fans out of that lot would be Dennis Wise.

lordsummerisle · Aug 29, 2012

But nobody would want the job, that's why we had to stick by Thorn.

SkyBlueGuy · Aug 29, 2012

Otis said:
seems the choice who would be most popular with fans out of that lot would be Dennis Wise.

not saying Wise isn't the man for the job, but "because he is popular with the fans" shouldn't be a reason to hire him. Thorn had a lot of fan support before he was named full time manager.

All I'm saying is that dispite not being popular with the fans, someone like Blackwell has taken teams to the play-offs before. With the quality of the squad we have, this is the minimum we should be aiming for. We need someone who knows how to do it!

sky blue john · Aug 29, 2012

No not wise !!!!
Leave Gus Puyot's puppet where he is.
Would be massive mistake.

Oz Howie · Aug 29, 2012

Don't believe Dennis Wise has ever been anyone's puppet!

sky blue john said:
No not wise !!!!
Leave Gus Puyot's puppet where he is.
Would be massive mistake.

Otis · Aug 29, 2012

Yep, isn't that like calling Ray Winstone a wuss?

TommyZoom · Aug 29, 2012

Didn't Wise take Millwall to an FA cup final without Poyet?

Otis · Aug 29, 2012

And anyway, I wasn't saying Wise was the right man because he would be popular, I just said he would be a popular choice with fans.

fernandopartridge · Aug 29, 2012

lordsummerisle said:
But nobody would want the job, that's why we had to stick by Thorn.

The MIlton Keynes job would be more attractive as they're a bigger club. We were lucky to have Thorn.

@richh87 · Aug 29, 2012

TommyZoom said:
Didn't Wise take Millwall to an FA cup final without Poyet?

Yes he did. He doesn't need Poyet.

LJC_CCFC · Aug 29, 2012

Otis said:
Out of that lot it would have to be Wise for me.

Yep, Dyche did really well but all he did (no offence) was get Watford to mid-table. An achievement yes, but it's not like the bloke has had any success. Blackwell has had success and failure but it doesn't seem the fans have liked him much wherever he has been.

Great result last night but Shaw is obviously a novice and it's just one game.

Interested to see how it all pans out but seems the choice who would be most popular with fans out of that lot would be Dennis Wise.

Dyche's style of football comes straight out the Aidy Boothroyd book of football tactics and nobody wants to see that again, Wise for me but keep Shaw and Carsley on

stupot07 · Aug 29, 2012

I think people are getting Wise the Manager, confused with Wise the player. Did well at Millwall, but did also get relegated with Leeds and then left them to take a glorified scouting position at Newcastle. Not been on the training pitch for 4 1/2 years.

skybluesteve76 · Aug 29, 2012

lordsummerisle said:
But nobody would want the job, that's why we had to stick by Thorn.

I'm rejoicing in the proof that (a) nobody would want the job and (b) nobody could do any better than thorn, I think that was proven in one game last night!! So many people have been spouting so much crap on here for months about Thorn the messiah!! In your face

Glaziers green top · Aug 29, 2012

Wise the only serious choice. Shaw and Carsley as his assistants would be the dream ticket.SISU get it done!

Astute · Aug 29, 2012

skybluesteve76 said:
I'm rejoicing in the proof that (a) nobody would want the job and (b) nobody could do any better than thorn, I think that was proven in one game last night!! So many people have been spouting so much crap on here for months about Thorn the messiah!! In your face

More like no decent experienced manager would want the job for the pay on offer and which inexperienced manager can you say would certainly do better with the players he had at his disposal last season. Totally different to what you are saying.

If you disagree then which experienced manager that had more successes than failures is in line to take over? Still is pot luck on an inexperienced manager.

aloisiwouldhavescored · Aug 29, 2012

Oz Howie said:
Don't believe Dennis Wise has ever been anyone's puppet!

So doesn't it worry you then , what would be his reaction when SISU tried to tell him what to do. (Orange Ken in the dug-out springs to mind) He is very much his own man.

Great player for us when he was here, doesn't mean he would make us a great manager though.

mark82 · Aug 29, 2012

skybluesteve76 said:
I'm rejoicing in the proof that (a) nobody would want the job and (b) nobody could do any better than thorn, I think that was proven in one game last night!! So many people have been spouting so much crap on here for months about Thorn the messiah!! In your face

Last year was a bit different as whoever took over would have almost certainly had a relegation added to their cv. Not saying keeping Thorn was right or wrong just saying the circumstances are now different.

mark82 · Aug 29, 2012

stupot07 said:
I think people are getting Wise the Manager, confused with Wise the player. Did well at Millwall, but did also get relegated with Leeds and then left them to take a glorified scouting position at Newcastle. Not been on the training pitch for 4 1/2 years.

I think when he took over at Leeds they were, a bit like us last year, almost destined for relegation. They were on the verge of going into admin all year and forced to sell their better players. He did well in league 1 the following year getting a team who were docked 15 points into a position to qualify for the playoffs after he left. His record that year would have been good for automatic promotion.

stupot07 · Aug 29, 2012

mark82 said:
I think when he took over at Leeds they were, a bit like us last year, almost destined for relegation. They were on the verge of going into admin all year and forced to sell their better players. He did well in league 1 the following year getting a team who were docked 15 points into a position to qualify for the playoffs after he left. His record that year would have been good for automatic promotion.

They had a far better and more experienced squad in their relegation season than we did last season

skyblueman · Aug 29, 2012

We have the players - what we need is that ballsy little bastard Wise in to make them really want to play - Shaw will be a good foil for Wise - Wise will get respect from a the players in a way most of the other applicants could never really do - he's not going to put up with anyone not giving their all and that's exactly what we need right now

DiveDiveWhereverYouMayBe · Aug 29, 2012

lordsummerisle said:
But nobody would want the job, that's why we had to stick by Thorn.

I saw very few on here claim this. Maybe occasionally out of exasperation at the same old debate, but I always perceived the main sentiment as being that SISU were more likely to stick with Thorn as the cheapest option last season. That was temporarily my view, although it was dropped when I heard how close to sacking him last year they had come. I, for one, never said that no other manager would apply for the vacant position of a Championship club and I doubt many others would have explicitly said so as their main counter argument to something as broad as 'Thorn Out'. If you continue to trot it out as the alternative, it will give your continued stance much credence, I'm sure. It wouldn't appear to have been a very creditable shout in the first place, but let's just bring it down to that as the widely held alternative to your stance.

Nick · Aug 29, 2012

A lot of people did say

"Nobody else would want to work for SISU?"
"Who else would want to come here?"
"SISU won't want to pay Thorn off"

At the time I can remember saying that if we advertised the job we would get plenty of applicants.

DiveDiveWhereverYouMayBe · Aug 29, 2012

skybluesteve76 said:
I'm rejoicing in the proof that (a) nobody would want the job and (b) nobody could do any better than thorn, I think that was proven in one game last night!! So many people have been spouting so much crap on here for months about Thorn the messiah!! In your face

I was expecting plenty of this on here when I returned from being away and saw what happened. Fair play to those who were right all along. They should lord it over their fellow Coventry fan at every opportunity. Gloss over the contrasting and reasonable opinions espoused by many and state 'everyone else said no-one could do any better than Thorn (not Ferguson, not Mourinho, no-one)' - despite the fact that this completely misses the point made by a couple of people at the very most that Thorn had so little to work with, it was impossible in the early stage of last season to write him off as wholly inept, and tars everyone with the same brush. If you can also state who said 'not one manager would want the vacant manager's position' - rather than the more vague 'who the fuck would come here when SISU haven't spent any money and are selling all our best Championship players (in the early stages of last season)', then you could surely carry out any one-upmanship directly to them? Because it looks a little like the sort of bullshit that used to get trotted out all the time on both sides of the divide - bogus quotes out of context as being 'the other side', thereby making our particular stance the sensible one.

DiveDiveWhereverYouMayBe · Aug 29, 2012

Nick said:
A lot of people did say

"Nobody else would want to work for SISU?"
"Who else would want to come here?"
"SISU won't want to pay Thorn off"

At the time I can remember saying that if we advertised the job we would get plenty of applicants.

I bow to your superior knowledge of the site. It is just a little hard to take when someone points to that as the counter stance to their argument or fires it at you in previous debates out of all context (perhaps as they have seen it written explicitly once before on a forum that has several new threads everyday). They would look like general observations I would have alluded to at the beginning of next season, but does it mean that I think no-one would apply for the managerial position at Coventry? Of course not, to suggest that is churlish (if you are directly quoting, name and shame rather than stating 'I am right because others say this'). 'Who else would want to come here'? If you cannot see the general nature, taken in the direct context (and timing) of when this was said, I won't attempt to explain myself on that one. Did no-one think Thorn was likely to stay in post as a cheap and current option for SISU in the early stages of the last, relegation tinged season? I certainly did. I had my mind changed half way through, as I heard they had seriously considered his sacking. Does it make the general point any more ridiculous? Not for me (although paying him off wasn't so much the issue with a one year rolling contract, perhaps one of the lowest few paid to a Championship manager).

These three comments are the last I will get stuck into on here. Onwards and upwards for Coventry City.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Aug 29, 2012

Nick said:
A lot of people did say

"Nobody else would want to work for SISU?"
"Who else would want to come here?"
"SISU won't want to pay Thorn off"

At the time I can remember saying that if we advertised the job we would get plenty of applicants.

tbh I am surprised Wise applied and Dyche was unavailable last year so who else out of the candidates interested would you definitely taken on last year, which proven experienced manager out of the applicants would you have taken on. It was either going to be an experienced man whose reputation was in tatters and was currently out of the game, another unproven manager or an in house promotion.
One of these could possibly have kept us up but it was as big a gamble as keeping Thorn on
I dunno if Wise would have had an interest in us last season, I am surprised he has now but if he had I would have replaced Thorn with him

Nick · Aug 29, 2012

No, I do agree that there are extremes of both sides and people who just had an opinion based on what they see at the games.

I would go through the threads to find some quotes but as you can imagine there are probably a good few thousand ending up with Thorn conversations so would take a while

DiveDiveWhereverYouMayBe · Aug 29, 2012

CCFC said:
tbh I am surprised Wise applied and Dyche was unavailable last year so who else out of the candidates interested would you definitely taken on last year, which proven experienced manager out of the applicants would you have taken on. It was either going to be an experienced man whose reputation was in tatters and was currently out of the game, another unproven manager or an in house promotion.
One of these could possibly have kept us up but it was as big a gamble as keeping Thorn on
I dunno if Wise would have had an interest in us last season, I am surprised he has now but if he had I would have replaced Thorn with him

We bought nine players in this close season and are one of the favourites to go up. Perhaps doesn't make us a more alluring option than a struggling Championship side with owners who would appear more keen on recouping losses than strengthening the team, but I don't think saying 'who else would want to come here?' really means 'no other manager in football would come to Coventry City Football Club in the Championship'. In fact, I don't think anyone who actually wrote 'no other manager in football would come to Coventry City Football Club' truly meant it, but I would be delighted if anyone said this and meant it verbatim could qualify it, because it is faintly ridiculous (and isn't made any more so by saying 'this is what other people believed, shouldn't they feel like mugs now there have been applicants'). Bollocks, I said I would quit this debate, I went Pacino in The Godfather (Part 3?). Back to work.

DiveDiveWhereverYouMayBe · Aug 29, 2012

Nick said:
No, I do agree that there are extremes of both sides and people who just had an opinion based on what they see at the games.

I would go through the threads to find some quotes but as you can imagine there are probably a good few thousand ending up with Thorn conversations so would take a while

I would imagine any reference to Thorn will cease within a day or two, since he is now ex-Coventry City (and we are all still fans)...

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Aug 29, 2012

DiveDiveWhereverYouMayBe said:
We bought nine players in this close season and are one of the favourites to go up. Perhaps doesn't make us a more alluring option than a struggling Championship side with owners who would appear more keen on recouping losses than strengthening the team, but I don't think saying 'who else would want to come here?' really means 'no other manager in football would come to Coventry City Football Club in the Championship'. In fact, I don't think anyone who actually wrote 'no other manager in football would come to Coventry City Football Club' truly meant it, but I would be delighted if anyone said this and meant it verbatim could qualify it, because it is faintly ridiculous (and isn't made any more so by saying 'this is what other people believed, shouldn't they feel like mugs now there have been applicants'). Bollocks, I said I would quit this debate, I went Pacino in The Godfather (Part 3?). Back to work.

No I don't believe anyone ever said or meant that. My opinion was that replacing him last season, we would not have got a proven experienced manager to replace him so any change would be as big a gamble as keeping Thorn on last season

Anyway I have finished talking about Thorn for good now, onwards and upwards to better times

davebart · Aug 29, 2012

I should have thought Shaw and Carsley are favourites merely because they are already here and will cost SISU nowt.

My observation of football managers is that they are all over-rated. If they have money behind them they do well and if there's none they do badly. as an example arsene wenger is struggling now other clubs have stretched the playing field from a financial point of view.

With this in mind I don't think it was ever possible to judge Thorn. 4 games this season with a new squad (none of which were lost) is not sufficient to make a valid judgement - especially by SISU. I don't have great confidence that they will appoint the right manager. They appear to know f all about football.

But I may be wrong. Lets hope so.

Colonel Mustard · Aug 29, 2012

davebart said:
My observation of football managers is that they are all over-rated. If they have money behind them they do well and if there's none they do badly.

I don't have great confidence that they will appoint the right manager. They appear to know f all about football.

Bit of a contradiction?

lordsummerisle · Aug 29, 2012

CCFC said:
tbh I am surprised Wise applied and Dyche was unavailable last year so who else out of the candidates interested would you definitely taken on last year, which proven experienced manager out of the applicants would you have taken on. It was either going to be an experienced man whose reputation was in tatters and was currently out of the game, another unproven manager or an in house promotion.
One of these could possibly have kept us up but it was as big a gamble as keeping Thorn on
I dunno if Wise would have had an interest in us last season, I am surprised he has now but if he had I would have replaced Thorn with him

Totally specious argument that Dyche was unavailable last year.

Other managers were available last year that aren't this, one even went to a League One club, and hasn't lost a game since, and got Sheffield Wednesday promoted.

BigadamL · Aug 29, 2012

Prob going to get slatted for this but I wouldn't mind Gary megson, loved by players wherever he has been and hasn't had much money to spend.

Grendel · Aug 29, 2012

BigadamL said:
Prob going to get slatted for this but I wouldn't mind Gary megson, loved by players wherever he has been and hasn't had much money to spend.

Yep you'll gel slated!

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