They've been doing it in MLS this year, at least. I did see some stats on how different managers have been making use of it (or not)...will have to dig them out.
Cheers SBT.... thought I was pretty clued up laws of the game wise.... but didn't know that..... although can't say I could name a league/have watched a league allowing 5 subs to have seen/known....
That might work but not a fan of it. The rule is 30 seconds of injury time for every sub bought on. Could be an extra 10 then another 6-10 for injuries etc. Makes a mockery out of the game.If it works the same way it does in other leagues with five subs, you're only allowed to stop the game three times for subs. So basically you have to make a few changes at once if you want to use all five.
That might work but not a fan of it. The rule is 30 seconds of injury time for every sub bought on. Could be an extra 10 then another 6-10 for injuries etc. Makes a mockery out of the game.
Not sure the 30 seconds is a rule...That might work but not a fan of it. The rule is 30 seconds of injury time for every sub bought on. Could be an extra 10 then another 6-10 for injuries etc. Makes a mockery out of the game.
Refs throw it on the things like timewasting, injuries etc. Agree that it’s an estimate though. Hope refs stop when a player is subbed and the sub is where he needs to be on the pitch.Not sure the 30 seconds is a rule...
Its just an estimate that people use for how many minutes could possibly be added. Been to many a game where 6 subs have been used and time added on is only 3 mins... (that means none added for any stoppages - pretty rare!)
Can’t wait for Robins not to use them.
It would make sense but if you’re the team that is losing it might open a can of worms along with timewasting on goal kicks, set pieces, throw in etc. Brings me back to when Accrington scored within 3-4 mins against us a few years back and then 2 mins later they won a corner and their player took literally 2 mins to walk to take the corner. Not one of our players even mentioned it to the ref (Doyle wasn’t playing) and they did the same thing all game. Seeing as were usually losing and not streetwise in a lot of the divisions we’re in I doubt we’ll ever be the beneficiary of time wasting.I’ve never understood why they don’t literally stop the clock the second a team announces a substitution. Instantly you’d get zero time wasting (from subs) and almost no point in bringing on 3 subs in the last minute (apart from to disrupt the pattern of the game).
Every team does it, but if they knew the time taken would literally (and I mean literally) get added back on it would remove a lot of the incentive.
Adrian Heath!From the games I've seen, it's not unusual for there to be 10 minutes or more of stoppage time.
Anyway, here's how various teams have been using it:
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Other time wasting time goes on anyway, not convinced removing the option for substituting to waste time would necessarily increase other forms, but if so clamp down on it. A lot of the issue is refs allowing blatant time wasting anyway. Even after the rule that players had to leave at the closest edge of the pitch was introduced half the refs ignored it as the player slowly wandered over to the far side.It would make sense but if you’re the team that is losing it might open a can of worms along with timewasting on goal kicks, set pieces, throw in etc. Brings me back to when Accrington scored within 3-4 mins against us a few years back and then 2 mins later they won a corner and their player took literally 2 mins to walk to take the corner. Not one of our players even mentioned it to the ref (Doyle wasn’t playing) and they did the same thing all game. Seeing as were usually losing and not streetwise in a lot of the divisions we’re in I doubt we’ll ever be the beneficiary of time wasting.
But isn't that down to the lack of quality in the squad rather than the quality of the bench?You think Robins isn't making subs because what we have on the bench is a significant drop in quality? Jesus wept....
Our benches in the last 5 games:
* vs Watford - McFadz, Kelly, Allen, Wilson, Baka, Dacosta, Bapaga
* vs Forest - Kelly, Allen, Wilson, Walker, Da Costa, Bapaga, Thompson
* vs Reading - McFadz, Kelly, Allen, O'Hare, Wilson, Walker McCallum
* vs Boro - Kelly, Biamou, O'Hare, Wilson, Walker, Dabo, Thompson
* vs Blackburn - Ostigard, Biamou, Wilson, Pask, Baka, Kastaneer, Bapaga
In 4 of those 5 games, there's more than 3 players who could realistically start in our 1st team every game, maybe the Blackburn bench being the exception.
I'll say it again - our squad quality is still different to that of a Bournemouth. But their 15th best player is still their 15th best player , the same as our 15th best player is our 15th best player. Their 1st best player is still better than our 1st best player.
Our bench depth is better than last season and regardless of whether MR uses his subs (that's another argument), the '4th best player' on each of those benches above could still come on and do a decent job for us. Potentially the 5th as well.
You think Robins isn't making subs because what we have on the bench is a significant drop in quality? Jesus wept....
Our benches in the last 5 games:
* vs Watford - McFadz, Kelly, Allen, Wilson, Baka, Dacosta, Bapaga
* vs Forest - Kelly, Allen, Wilson, Walker, Da Costa, Bapaga, Thompson
* vs Reading - McFadz, Kelly, Allen, O'Hare, Wilson, Walker McCallum
* vs Boro - Kelly, Biamou, O'Hare, Wilson, Walker, Dabo, Thompson
* vs Blackburn - Ostigard, Biamou, Wilson, Pask, Baka, Kastaneer, Bapaga
In 4 of those 5 games, there's more than 3 players who could realistically start in our 1st team every game, maybe the Blackburn bench being the exception.
I'll say it again - our squad quality is still different to that of a Bournemouth. But their 15th best player is still their 15th best player , the same as our 15th best player is our 15th best player. Their 1st best player is still better than our 1st best player.
Our bench depth is better than last season and regardless of whether MR uses his subs (that's another argument), the '4th best player' on each of those benches above could still come on and do a decent job for us. Potentially the 5th as well.
Watford brought on Deeney, Chalobah (signed from Chelsea for £5m rising to £7m) and Ngakia (signed from West Ham on a free).But please, tell me more about how Baka Pask and Kastaneer are Championship quality players
Pioneers once again!
I can't wait for him to make five subs in the 89th minute!
To be honest you can do without having a GK on the bench, we've needed it perhaps a handful of times in 20 years
If it works the same way it does in other leagues with five subs, you're only allowed to stop the game three times for subs. So basically you have to make a few changes at once if you want to use all five.
I’ve never understood why they don’t literally stop the clock the second a team announces a substitution. Instantly you’d get zero time wasting (from subs) and almost no point in bringing on 3 subs in the last minute (apart from to disrupt the pattern of the game).
Every team does it, but if they knew the time taken would literally (and I mean literally) get added back on it would remove a lot of the incentive.
Disagree Dave. The gulf between clubs and squad depth will always be there.
This will allow clubs to use players more sparingly...granted, not by a great deal, but it gives clubs greater flexibility in managing player 'workload' which should have a positive impact in player injury numbers.
For a club like ours (who seem to always have a busy treatment room), this could help.
How many players have we had injured during games?
Godden I can think of.
The rest all seem to be in training.
But are those injuries in training freak accidents or muscle tears/pulls that could've been brought on by overwork in games? There is a great more time spent on the practice field than in games so statistically you're more likely to get such an injury in training than games.
So the muscle becomes stressed in the game but holds out, it cools down after the game making it a bit tight then in training later in the week despite warming up and stretching it eventually goes.
If anything for me more in training than matches suggests it is this kind of thing. More match injuries tend to be caused by caused by bad tackles or collisions which are done more intensely in a game situation.
Or in your language you're more likely to go through someone to let them know you're there in a match than in training.
How many players have we had injured during games?
Godden I can think of.
The rest all seem to be in training.
Yes I think we’ve kept for example Godden or McCallum on because we don’t have better on the bench. Or what we do have is unfit (Walker). In AM Robins only trusts Shipley and Allen. The likes of Kasta and Bapaga aren’t going to be used for more than a couple of minutes.
Only the Reading bench could you legitimately argue we had 6 players who we could bring on.
But please, tell me more about how Baka Pask and Kastaneer are Championship quality players
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