Mucca Mad Boys
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It was nominal, which is 50-100k it is officially undisclosed but believed to be 100k.
How do we know Barton's fee?
I have never denied lowering the rent is justified , but it has to be fair for BOTH sides, and there are better ways to go about it than the way it has been done
A sensible comment, it just peeves me off when I see people arguing totally against lowering the rent and believe we should continue to pay 1.2 millionI have never denied lowering the rent is justified , but it has to be fair for BOTH sides, and there are better ways to go about it than the way it has been done
Bullshit Thursday has become Bullshit Christmas. If the City play Shrewsbury in the Butts I'll walk 500 miles in the summer.
From why I've been told, the deal only needs a signature, and works out for both parties, I take rumours with handfuls of salt (I know it's a pinch, btw) but if it's true...
2) again, unfortunately, for both sides, neither can prove their point with evidence.
The problem for me is that you accept there is no evidence but still insist on asserting TF's line about the rent being "unaffordable"
Would be good but the timing of these rumours makes me think it BS as its a holidfay period and would have been delivered before the break as Christmas good news and we would not have got joys queens speech.
she would have surely waited to give a new years good news speech to glorify herself as the saviour.
The problem for me is that you accept there is no evidence but still insist on asserting TF's line about the rent being "unaffordable"
It is unaffordable as it unjustifiable. Looks like ACL will be slimming down after Christmas or finding some alternate revenue schemes.
Yet SBT constantly provides ‘evidence’ provided by Fisher and joy yet no one can find evidence of this on the Football League website or anywhere else regarding average rents other than from fisher and joy
No body is sure of the facts
It isn't unaffordable if SISU continue to bankroll the club, as they have an obligation to do.
It is a perfectly justifiable sum for a Premier League standard ground (which is what the the Ricoh is, before you try to rebut that Grendel), and for a club with a potentially PL-support base.
It shouldn't be up to ACL to accept a lower rent based on "we've cocked up and got ourselves relegated so we cant afford to pay" - L1 status is neither here nor there. Their business plan depends on CCFC meeting its commitments and not unilaterally reneging on payments due.
There is no evidence that the rent is too high.
None
Nothing
No evidence
Get that into your thick head
I do love how SISU are emerging as the good guys in this. So ludicrous it's unreal.
I've done some independent research, I found 5 teams who pay rent, average of 213k, Joy said 6 times over market value. 1.28m divided by 6 = 213.3333333333333... Apologies welcome.
However, there may be more teams who rent.
I have said "there are no good guys in this", don't believe me? Look through my posts (I doubt you'll waste your time).
It isn't unaffordable if SISU continue to bankroll the club, as they have an obligation to do.
It is a perfectly justifiable sum for a Premier League standard ground (which is what the the Ricoh is, before you try to rebut that Grendel), and for a club with a potentially PL-support base.
It shouldn't be up to ACL to accept a lower rent based on "we've cocked up and got ourselves relegated so we cant afford to pay" - L1 status is neither here nor there. Their business plan depends on CCFC meeting its commitments and not unilaterally reneging on payments due.
There is no evidence that the rent is too high.
None
Nothing
No evidence
Get that into your thick head
Err, what about ACL?
Someone remind me what they did wrong, other than to enter into an agreement in good faith with a tenant who reneged when the terms no longer suited them?
Do they all play in Premier League facilities that were heavily paid for by a local authority, who had to take out loans to cover this development (and the loans need to be repaid)?
Also, do you know the unique circumstances of each club which have come together to set their own rental figures?
What are the notional rental values of the grounds which are fully owned by their clubs?
I won't consider any argument that goes along the lines of "we should pay on the same basis as other League One teams"...because we are not an average League One team and our circumstances demand that we pay what is due. L1 status is totally irrelevant to the argument. The Ricoh was built for us as a PL ground wand we should be paying for it as such. You really can't argue against the principle of this. The practicabilities and the realpolitik, maybe, but not the flawed "L1 average" argument...it doesn't wash because it's SISU's fault were in L1, not ACL's.
I have said "there are no good guys in this", don't believe me? Look through my posts (I doubt you'll waste your time).
Sisu are not obliged to bankroll the club they could legitimately refuse to invest anymore.
The rent is obscene by virtually every measurement and we have no hope of attracting interested investors to the club.
If the tactics deployed have worked then the ends clearly justify the means. Lets hope the rent is down to £300,000 which is still a very generous offer.
Really we should as fans me demanding a refund from previous years.
This is a victory if true for common sense and fairness and will ultimately benefit the club.
You should if true be celebrating. This is a victory for decency and ACL can now start to do a job and find some other revenue steams. Should be a piece of cake with this excellent facilities should it? No need to bleed its main tenant dry. Time to a act like real business people now.
Which is why I said we should pay average Champ rent, quoted at 240k, which is likely as the average I have for 2 teams is 17.5k.
Walsall get ripped off by their own owner as rent money goes straight to his pension, think SISU are bad? The guy is a c**t. Also distorts the average a bit as well.
Charge us too much rent and now the club are facing a winding up order from... ACL!
Hope a deal is done. But I dont really see how anyone can criticise ACL when they have offered a 67% reduction + income streams.
They have a right to try and negotiate. And it appears that ACL are willing to do this for the sake of the club, regardless who is in charge. If they felt that the current rent agreement was both fair and proportionate, I'm sure they would be telling SISU where to go!
That's where it's interesting as although ccfc did indeed move to a new house with a big rent the owners have changed since.I have decided many of you are right.
I am going to sell my house. A nice house has just come up for rent near me. Only £1,800 a month. I will move in then withold the rent until they let me have it for the average rent for the area. Looks like it is just under £700 a month. It is only fair as I couldn't afford £1,800 a month and keep up with the lifestyle I am used to.
I have decided many of you are right.
I am going to sell my house. A nice house has just come up for rent near me. Only £1,800 a month. I will move in then withold the rent until they let me have it for the average rent for the area. Looks like it is just under £700 a month. It is only fair as I couldn't afford £1,800 a month and keep up with the lifestyle I am used to.
A deal has to be done for both sides (and it will be) but SISU are completely right to stand their ground.
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