Yes, I keep saying it. They are trying to distress the club and delay any deal until the last minute in order for force the club into taking a substantially worse take it or leave it deal. IMO it is this and not the 'legal noise' which is stopping them from negotiating now.Has anyone thought that by stalling the talks Wasps are playing Sisu at their own game?
Is that the reason? or is it that they hope to pick up the club for a knock down (realistically the proper) price?Yes, I keep saying it. They are trying to distress the club and delay any deal until the last minute in order for force the club into taking a substantially worse take it or leave it deal. IMO it is this and not the 'legal noise' which is stopping them from negotiating now.
It just seems easier to most to believe wasps.
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I honestly can't them wanting to buy the football club. Their business model isnt reliant on the football club, and the financial risks of running football clubs is huge and would put the ability to pay back the bonds and meet the interest payments in huge risk. Its not gonna happen, wasps don't have the cash to run a football club on top of trying to turn around 2 loss making businesses and make the rugby club the biggest and most successful club in Europe.Is that the reason? or is it that they hope to pick up the club for a knock down (realistically the proper) price?
I'm sure it would be a bit easier, but
1) Sisu ain't going to drop it,
2) the blackmail stance doesn't sit well with me,
3) the black mail stance suggests there is something to hide (perhaps talks have been going on for a lot longer than they would want us to know)
4) out of the 2 JRs this is the one that fans should be most keen to pursue and get the truth out,
5) I don't believe wasps anyway.
I would hazard a guess, if us cov fans, the trust, simon, gave wasps a bit more stick rather than just shrugging our shoulders then I doubt they would be pushing this line for so long. They get a free pass from everyone. Loom back at the academy, as soon as the trust started talking about a protest wasps couldn't wait to get back around the table.
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Look, I know absolutely nothing about rugby and don't want to; it is not a game that interests me at all; but I do know something about running a business. Wasps have rolled up at the Ricoh (lets leave all the franchise stuff alone) and will be after gaining the support of the local population. What better way of doing that by supporting the local football team? It makes perfect business sense to me to have both teams under the same roof. How you bring that about is the question. Perhaps Wasps feel that this is the way to go about it.
I think that you are wrong mate. I truly believe that wasps want to bring about the two teams under the same roof. It adds value to both entities.Wasps would not buy the club, but they might know someone who would, yes its highly possible that SISU are being played at their own game
I think that you are wrong mate. I truly believe that wasps want to bring about the two teams under the same roof. It adds value to both entities.
I'm not quite sure who you think will put pressure on Wasps though. CCC certainly won't, the FA or FL can hardly put pressure on a team/sport they have no authority over. In all the games I've never heard any vocal fans protest against Wasps, SISU yes but never Wasps. I have never been to a Wasps game but have never heard of any protests against them,either inside or outside the ground. So it is hardly likely fans are suddenly going to turn the heat on Wasps now, when nobody has bothered before. That is the harsh reality we face.They aren't taking wasps to court, they are taking the council to court about thr councils decision making. Regardless of whether Sisu win or lose, it will have little affect on wasps.
We know businesses take each other to court all the time whilst continue to working together. Why are you buying wasp's bullshit? Why are you giving Wasps a free pass on this?
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I am sure Wasps will stick to their mo legals stance from their point of view they have to
I'm not quite sure who you think will put pressure on Wasps though. CCC certainly won't, the FA or FL can hardly put pressure on a team/sport they have no authority over. In all the games I've never heard any vocal fans protest against Wasps, SISU yes but never Wasps. I have never been to a Wasps game but have never heard of any protests against them,either inside or outside the ground. So it is hardly likely fans are suddenly going to turn the heat on Wasps now, when nobody has bothered before. That is the harsh reality we face.
So if Wasps stick to their current stance, what do SISU do in a little over 12 months time. Wasps whether we like it or not don't have to do anything, they have a ground, the one that was built for CCFC. If they stick to their current stance of no talks without dropping of legal action,which they know Sisu won't do,then we and Sisu are screwed.
He's offered to mediate discussions not call them to a public enquiry or select committee.This has got to be a step forward. Perhaps only a small one but at least something. When you think murdoch and greene as well as Blair have been 'required' to give evidence to different select committees it shows they have some sway.
I hope Collins demands sepalla and fisher to attend. Neither wasps or SISU will enjoy being required to give evidence so it might put pressure on them to bend a little. It can't make private companies act but it can make life uncomfortable for them
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Think there has been a great leap from mediation to forcing attendance at the select committee on football governance. How are the select committee terms of reference actually going to relate to Wasps exactly.
Even if Wasps were forced to attend all they have to say is they are the legal long lease owners of the ground and can let it to whoever they choose on terms that suits them. What else could they say that is actually relevant? Forcing the owners of CCFC to attend now that is a different matter but surely would apply to a number of other clubs too - so why has it not been done already?
Fail to see how Collins or the select committee really solve what is going on, it doesn't really apply much pressure either because SISU & Wasps simply do what they are doing now - say nothing
I wouldn't get your hopes up
You don't know that the CT and others are not questioning Wasps ........ but by the same token how often do we hear from SISU?
In these situations then best advice is often say nothing - be it Wasps or SISU
Not the way it should be but it is the way it is
Wasps tend only to speak on things that show them in a good light.
Perhaps the media will get a chance to question them better when covering the release of the 2016 Wasps Holdings figures due by Monday
But what do you want to know from Wasps Nick? Its CCFC with the problems on and off the pitch, CCFC the club in crisis, the club under threat - bad news has always made better copy than good news. What problems at Wasps do you want to know about or are interested in? What to do with Wasps are you interested in?
You have the owner of the stadium going about its business, the only real question I want to know is what is it they mean by " legal noise" because that is what stops CCFC having some stability short term whilst the stadium issue is sorted out
Think the difference is Nick that Wasps get things done then it comes out - leaves not too many questions or doubts
On the other hand TF says something (usually a might, could, may happen, cant because of someone else) everybody immediately doubts it and questions. Most times there are no obvious actions or achievements
On the other side of that plenty of people on here repeatedly state that CCFC is the bigger more important sports club if so then they have to live with a brighter spot light.
Put your questions to Gilbert or Reid challenge them to go further and ask why they dont
But what do you want to know from Wasps Nick? Its CCFC with the problems on and off the pitch, CCFC the club in crisis, the club under threat - bad news has always made better copy than good news. What problems at Wasps do you want to know about or are interested in? What to do with Wasps are you interested in?
You have the owner of the stadium going about its business, the only real question I want to know is what is it they mean by " legal noise" because that is what stops CCFC having some stability short term whilst the stadium issue is sorted out
I would like wasps to answer three questions.
1 is it true that despite the observation on legal noise that you actually presented the football club with a proposed rent arrangement?
2. Is the suggestion that The real reason for the breakdown in talks was actually to do with the length of contract on offer, the terms of the separation clause and the proposed rental position from year 3 onwards true or false?
3. When the council agreed to sell the lease to you they assured ccfc fans that their clubs future will not be negatively impacted. Can you confirm this commitment will be honoured.
Not hard is it? Especially 3 as its in the public domain.
I think something other is going on.Yes, I keep saying it. They are trying to distress the club and delay any deal until the last minute in order for force the club into taking a substantially worse take it or leave it deal. IMO it is this and not the 'legal noise' which is stopping them from negotiating now.
It just seems easier to most to believe wasps.
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I think something other is going on.
Do they particularly need to distress CCFC in this game of poker, you and I know we have a weak hand, so do Wasps IMO
There's plenty of questions and doubts about what Wasps have done, just because they have actually done something doesn't mean they should get a free pass.leaves not too many questions or doubts
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