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torchomatic · Jul 16, 2017

letsallsingtogether said:
It is quite funny that the ones who kick wasps the most followed thier own team when they left thier home city.

What was it they said just "supporting the lads" fucking hipocrites.

Let's face it they would still have been going to Northampton if it had been made perminant.

Ah the Sixfields thing again. How predictable. How sad.

If there's something the last few months has taught me, it is life really is too short to waste time arguing about something as trivial - in the grand scheme of things - as football.

Therefore from now on I shall be ignoring tossers like yourself (and the many others) who basically only come on here to poke and get a reaction.

Have a good time doing it to others, I'm sure there's still plenty of sport to be had.

bawtryneal · Jul 16, 2017

Grendel said:
Can you explain then if this is the case why talks started at all and continued until June when this was known in February?

Because Wasps need CCFC to negotiate best stadium naming rights deal.

NortonSkyBlue · Jul 16, 2017

bawtryneal said:
Because Wasps need CCFC to negotiate best stadium naming rights deal.

I am not sure if that is the case anymore.
They probably thought they needed us while they established themselves in the city but now they have not got any reason to be partners with us in anything. If they do have a relationship with us I suspect it is altruism on their part.

Nick · Jul 16, 2017

letsallsingtogether said:
It is quite funny that the ones who kick wasps the most followed thier own team when they left thier home city.

What was it they said just "supporting the lads" fucking hipocrites.

Let's face it they would still have been going to Northampton if it had been made perminant.

Would they?

I 100% wouldn't if it was permanent and said that from the very start.

Glad to see sixfields brought up though

torchomatic · Jul 16, 2017

Nick said:
Would they?

I 100% wouldn't if it was permanent and said that from the very start.

Glad to see sixfields brought up though

No, I wouldn't have attended if the move had been permanent.

mark82 · Jul 16, 2017

letsallsingtogether said:
It is quite funny that the ones who kick wasps the most followed thier own team when they left thier home city.

What was it they said just "supporting the lads" fucking hipocrites.

Let's face it they would still have been going to Northampton if it had been made perminant.

I didn't go when it was temporary, only a small number did. You'd probably have got about 10% of that number if it was made permanent. So that's a couple of hundred maybe.

There is a big difference between a temporary move and a permanent one. Moving us temporarily was despicable, as it was unnecessary in my opinion. However, moving a team permanently 85 miles away from its supporter base is worse. Can only hope at some point they get an owner that will move them home. Really do feel for their fans (and I don't mean the franchise loving clingers on).

Where was all this support when our own historical rugby club, once one of the best in the country, needed it?

bawtryneal · Jul 16, 2017

bawtryneal said:
Because Wasps need CCFC to negotiate best stadium naming rights deal.

It's all about TV and media coverage and having CCFC on board will add to the value. Rugby Union is probably at its current peak in terms of exposure but football will continue as No 1 sport in UK. I would expect having CCFC on board would add 30% ( even in League 2, FA Cup etc and probably 60/70% if in Championship) to overall value of a negotiated stadium naming rights deal. The rent we pay is "small change" compared to stadium naming rights deal.

bawtryneal · Jul 16, 2017

mark82 said:
I didn't go when it was temporary, only a small number did. You'd probably have got about 10% of that number if it was made permanent. So that's a couple of hundred maybe.

There is a big difference between a temporary move and a permanent one. Moving us temporarily was despicable, as it was unnecessary in my opinion. However, moving a team permanently 85 miles away from its supporter base is worse. Can only hope at some point they get an owner that will move them home. Really do feel for their fans (and I don't mean the franchise loving clingers on).

Where was all this support when our own historical rugby club, once one of the best in the country, needed it?

Whilst despicable for the fans it was the major factor in breaking the historic/original rent and catering deal. Without the move to Sixfields we would still be paying best part of a £ Million a year or alternatively a third administration and points ban.

skybluetony176 · Jul 16, 2017

bawtryneal said:
Whilst despicable for the fans it was the major factor in breaking the historic/original rent and catering deal. Without the move to Sixfields we would still be paying best part of a £ Million a year or alternatively a third administration and points ban.

It really wasn't and no we wouldn't. Going into administration broke the existing rent agreement. Sixfields had absolutely zero to do with breaking the rent agreement. We were still playing at the Ricoh when that happened and Sixfields hadn't even been mentioned. There was absolutely no need to go to sixfields based on the rent. It didn't even have anything to do with the next rental agreement as our owners refused point blank to talk about staying on at the Ricoh choosing to take us to Sixfields without even considering the Ricoh or us.

Sorry but to be frank if you or anyone else thinks that we had to move to Sixfields to break the old rent agreement or it played any part in that process whatsoever you've failed to grasp the basics of what happened, when and why because nothing could be further from the truth.

Grendel · Jul 16, 2017

bawtryneal said:
Because Wasps need CCFC to negotiate best stadium naming rights deal.

Correct. Which is why despite "legal noise" they wanted a deal signed

bawtryneal · Jul 16, 2017

skybluetony176 said:
It really wasn't and no we wouldn't. Going into administration broke the existing rent agreement. Sixfields had absolutely zero to do with breaking the rent agreement. We were still playing at the Ricoh when that happened and Sixfields hadn't even been mentioned. There was absolutely no need to go to sixfields based on the rent. It didn't even have anything to do with the next rental agreement as our owners refused point blank to talk about staying on at the Ricoh choosing to take us to Sixfields without even considering the Ricoh or us.

Sorry but to be frank if you or anyone else thinks that we had to move to Sixfields to break the old rent agreement or it played any part in that process whatsoever you've failed to grasp the basics of what happened, when and why because nothing could be further from the truth.

So why did Fisher move us to Sixfields? Please tell me the motive based on your knowledge.

bawtryneal · Jul 16, 2017

Grendel said:
Correct. Which is why despite "legal noise" they wanted a deal signed

And still do !!

skybluetony176 · Jul 16, 2017

bawtryneal said:
So why did Fisher move us to Sixfields? Please tell me the motive based on your knowledge.

You could probably guess dozens of reasons and maybe still not find the truth. My best guess was simply to distress ACL.

What we can be sure of is that it wasn't for footballing reasons, it wasn't for the fans benefit, it wasn't because it made good business sense and it certainly wasn't to break any rental agreement as I have already stated that was done by going into administration before we finished the previous season and saw out the remainder of our home games at the Ricoh on a deal different to the rent deal. They never chucked us out, we never tried to stay beyond the end of the season and TF and SISU chose to move us to Sixfields at their own free will. It was completely unnecessary in every way and served no purpose what soever to benefit the club and we should never forget that.

All it done was divide fans and swallow up the Arsenal and Wilson windfalls.

Tim Fisher never really has explained why it was necessary or admitted what a disastrous decision it was. There should really be no defending it from any CCFC fans and any delusion that it somehow benefited the club because it broke a rental deal needs stamping out. Don't take that personally. You're not alone in thinking that but it does need pointing out when it's wrongly assumed to be a benefit of moving to Sixfields. There was no benefit in moving to Sixfields, end of.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Jul 16, 2017

dongonzalos said:
My point has always been that it makes sense for Wasps for to be applying a bit of pressure for legal action to get dropped. That they are using the leverage they had to try and get the legal action dropped. Without saying the words "drop the legal action". That action was affecting them and they wanted it dropped. They have something we want 'a long term rental at the Ricoh'. So they were using that as leverage.
Whether they agree a short term deal or not.
They were hoping that SISU would drop the legal action and SISU didn't.
I kept getting told that that is bollox as the legal action doesn't affect them.
It did and they were.
So I am happy to already be right in this one cheers.

Really?

Because to everyone else it looks like you do care about wasps and then deny it when called out.

bawtryneal · Jul 16, 2017

skybluetony176 said:
You could probably guess dozens of reasons and maybe still not find the truth. My best guess was simply to distress ACL.

What we can be sure of is that it wasn't for footballing reasons, it wasn't for the fans benefit, it wasn't because it made good business sense and it certainly wasn't to break any rental agreement as I have already stated that was done by going into administration before we finished the previous season and saw out the remainder of our home games at the Ricoh on a deal different to the rent deal. They never chucked us out, we never tried to stay beyond the end of the season and TF and SISU chose to move us to Sixfields at their own free will. It was completely unnecessary in every way and served no purpose what soever to benefit the club and we should never forget that.

All it done was divide fans and swallow up the Arsenal and Wilson windfalls.

Tim Fisher never really has explained why it was necessary or admitted what a disastrous decision it was. There should really be no defending it from any CCFC fans and any delusion that it somehow benefited the club because it broke a rental deal needs stamping out. Don't take that personally. You're not alone in thinking that but it does need pointing out when it's wrongly assumed to be a benefit of moving to Sixfields. There was no benefit in moving to Sixfields, end of.

So the fact that the deal "post Sixfields" is approx 20% of the value "pre Sixfields" is not relevant.
I have never and will never support the decision to move the club, but to suggest there was no business related reasoning is absurd. Even Mr Fisher is not that arrogant.
And for the record I am not defending the decision, just stating facts.

Grendel · Jul 16, 2017

bawtryneal said:
And still do !!

Yep.

skybluetony176 · Jul 16, 2017

bawtryneal said:
So the fact that the deal "post Sixfields" is approx 20% of the value "pre Sixfields" is not relevant.
I have never and will never support the decision to move the club, but to suggest there was no business related reasoning is absurd. Even Mr Fisher is not that arrogant.
And for the record I am not defending the decision, just stating facts.

It's not relevant to your original post where your claim "it was the major factor in breaking the historic/original rent and catering deal. Without the move to Sixfields we would still be paying best part of a £ Million a year or alternatively a third administration and points ban". It wasn't a factor at all. We were never going to go forward on the existing rent deal with or without the Sixfields move, two offers were made before SISU would even sit down and discuss a return. One through the administrators and a second through the FL, which SISU tried to deny was made at all until the FL confirmed it and they then tried to get out of it by saying that they meant that there was no direct offer. Not sure how we could have gone through a third administration either as we only ever went through one.

We lost something like £4.5M Sixfields season even with the Arsenal windfall and the Wilson money. Sixfields would have put us into a second administration long before renting the Ricoh ever would have.

Grendel · Jul 16, 2017

SkyBlue_Bear83 said:
Really?

Because to everyone else it looks like you do care about wasps and then deny it when called out.

Especially as his post overdrive button his pressed only when the court cases are in progress.

Astute · Jul 16, 2017

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bawtryneal said:
So why did Fisher move us to Sixfields? Please tell me the motive based on your knowledge.

Are you being serious on the matter?

Of course it was to distress ACL. If SISU only took us to Northampton to break the rental agreement why did they refuse to bring us home to everything until Wasps took over the arena?

It was Wasps that ruined their plan of distressing the arena and making it be sold on the cheap. Many on here just couldn't imagine that anyone else would be interested in the Ricoh. I well remember the abuse I got on here from certain people for saying that I believed someone else would be interested in the arena.

But hey ho. Just another disastrous move by SISU that let another parasite in.

Liquid Gold · Jul 16, 2017

Astute said:
Wasps didn't do what was best for their supporters. Neither did SISU. But Wasps got a stadium cheap. SISU have got nothing but more debt, relegations and no home. So yes Wasps are the better wankers.

So again if sisu took us 80 miles away and got a stadium on the cheap they'd be better? Sport is for the fans and Wasps owners took the club away from the fans. Whatever the shit at least we're (currently) in Coventry.

NortonSkyBlue · Jul 16, 2017

I wish we all could focus on Coventry City. Remember them? you know the ones being shafted by their owners.

Deleted member 5849 · Jul 16, 2017

bawtryneal said:
So the fact that the deal "post Sixfields" is approx 20% of the value "pre Sixfields" is not relevant.
I have never and will never support the decision to move the club, but to suggest there was no business related reasoning is absurd. Even Mr Fisher is not that arrogant.
And for the record I am not defending the decision, just stating facts.

Yup. It's unpalatable, but probably accurate.

Astute · Jul 16, 2017

Liquid Gold said:
So again if sisu took us 80 miles away and got a stadium on the cheap they'd be better? Sport is for the fans and Wasps owners took the club away from the fans. Whatever the shit at least we're (currently) in Coventry.

:shifty:

So being a better wanker makes you better? :wideyed:

torchomatic · Jul 16, 2017

Liquid Gold said:
So again if sisu took us 80 miles away and got a stadium on the cheap they'd be better? Sport is for the fans and Wasps owners took the club away from the fans. Whatever the shit at least we're (currently) in Coventry.

Spot on. The many who spend their time *not* defending Wasps say just that. Because it worked out all nicely for our London friends then they should be admired and patted on the back. When this hypocrisy is pointed out Sixfields, 'Timmy, etc must be mentioned as a soon as possible.

Both sets of hedge funds are shit and have shafted their fans and I'm not going to say one is fine and the other isn't.

Liquid Gold · Jul 16, 2017

Astute said:
:shifty:

So being a better wanker makes you better? :wideyed:

I may be misunderstanding you but isn't that what you're saying?

Astute · Jul 16, 2017

Liquid Gold said:
I may be misunderstanding you but isn't that what you're saying?

So if I called lets say Torch a c**t and you a better c**t would you take it as a complement?

Moff · Jul 16, 2017

letsallsingtogether said:
It is quite funny that the ones who kick wasps the most followed thier own team when they left thier home city.

What was it they said just "supporting the lads" fucking hipocrites.

Let's face it they would still have been going to Northampton if it had been made perminant.

I am one on the ones who kick Wasp's the most. I didn't go to Northampton.
Its funny that....people use made up shit to prove their point.

Astute · Jul 16, 2017

torchomatic said:
Spot on. The many who spend their time *not* defending Wasps say just that. Because it worked out all nicely for our London friends then they should be admired and patted on the back. When this hypocrisy is pointed out Sixfields, 'Timmy, etc must be mentioned as a soon as possible.

Both sets of hedge funds are shit and have shafted their fans and I'm not going to say one is fine and the other isn't.

But Torch.....try looking at it the other way. Saying what Wasps have done and not SISU is the same as saying what SISU have done and not Wasps. Haven't seen anyone defend one and not the other. All I have seen is quotes saying uncomplementary things. And this is what starts off all the bullshit. Just like LG trying to make out that I think Wasps are doing well or good. I have never said anything complementary about Wasps. I never will. And I think you know that. But it is all down to how someone interprets something.

stupot07 · Jul 16, 2017

Moff said:
I am one on the ones who kick Wasp's the most. I didn't go to Northampton.
Its funny that....people use made up shit to prove their point.

Ditto

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Astute · Jul 16, 2017

Moff said:
I am one on the ones who kick Wasp's the most. I didn't go to Northampton.
Its funny that....people use made up shit to prove their point.

Same here. But because I frequently have a go at SISU I have people try and say that I defend Wasps and CCC. All I do is say it how I see it. And I haven't been wrong yet. Saying that I see no merit in JR1 and JR2 isn't defending CCC. But if I got a fiver for each time it happened I would have enough to put a serious bid in for our club.

Liquid Gold · Jul 16, 2017

Astute said:
So if I called lets say Torch a c**t and you a better c**t would you take it as a complement?

Ok so as we're grading the level of cuntishness and wasps owners are more successful at being cunts it's like saying they'd be better owners for us even though they dragged their team away from the fans.

I'm just pissed off, not at you or anyone on here really, but the cunts all over Facebook who seem to take pleasure in the fact that our club is shafted from every angle and laud Wasps as a model and in some cases support them instead. It's hypocritical bullshit.

I just want what's best for the club and that means no sisu and no wasps but it seems like less and less people actually give a shit about what's good for CCFC as long as sisu get hurt.

Moff · Jul 16, 2017

Liquid Gold said:
. I just want what's best for the club and that means no sisu and no wasps but it seems like less and less people actually give a shit about what's good for CCFC as long as sisu get hurt.

Totally with you on that LG.
Also agree with the latter part of your comment, its so fucking sad.

skybluetony176 · Jul 16, 2017

Deleted member 5849 said:
Yup. It's unpalatable, but probably accurate.

Is it? That we know of (there may have been more attempts for all we know) ACL attempted to engage with SISU at least two times before before they finally sat down and negotiated a return. Who's to say that if SISU hadn't sat down before we moved to sixfields a satisfactory deal couldn't have been reached? Didn't suit SISU to do so as they thought they knew best. Which as most of us were saying before the event even without the benefit of hindsight, they don't. It was a balls up and has cost the club millions plain and simple.

Astute · Jul 16, 2017

Liquid Gold said:
Ok so as we're grading the level of cuntishness and wasps owners are more successful at being cunts it's like saying they'd be better owners for us even though they dragged their team away from the fans.

Glad to see you now understand. I think.

You can't deny that the Wasps business plans have been more successful than the SISU business plans. That doesn't make them right though.

Astute · Jul 16, 2017

skybluetony176 said:
Is it? That we know of (there may have been more attempts for all we know) ACL attempted to engage with SISU at least two times before before they finally sat down and negotiated a return. Who's to say that if SISU hadn't sat down before we moved to sixfields a satisfactory deal couldn't have been reached? Didn't suit SISU to do so as they thought they knew best. Which as most of us were saying before the event even without the benefit of hindsight, they don't. It was a balls up and has cost the club millions plain and simple.

I agree. But TBF many were like SISU and didn't see anyone as immoral as the Wasps owners ready to take advantage of the situation. And the odds are that if CCC didn't find immoral owners like Wasps they would have got their own way.

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