Church shooting in Texas (1 Viewer)

Otis · Dec 29, 2019

BBC News - Texas church shooting: One killed before gunman shot dead by churchgoer
One killed in livestreamed Texas church shooting

You know the world is fooked up when you know people are going to church carrying guns.

So, a guy goes into church and starts shooting people and is then killed by one of the members of the congregation.

Evo1883 · Dec 29, 2019

Otis said:
BBC News - Texas church shooting: One killed before gunman shot dead by churchgoer
One killed in livestreamed Texas church shooting

You know the world is fooked up when you know people are going to church carrying guns.

So, a guy goes into church and starts shooting people and is then killed by one of the members of the congregation.

Fucked up man

Houchens Head · Dec 29, 2019

Crazy, fucked up country! God, I hate yanks!

Otis · Dec 29, 2019

Seemingly a number of parishioners pulled out guns.

CovInEssex · Dec 29, 2019

Texans do love their guns and churches. And pick up trucks.

Sadly, the outcome fuels the right to carry a weapon.

chiefdave · Dec 29, 2019

Otis said:
You know the world is fooked up when you know people are going to church carrying guns.

You mean you don't take a gun with you to the supermarket?

or when you pop out for a coffee

not even when you go out for a burger?

Bunch of nutters. Not going to change no matter how many shootings there are, too much money involved.

Brighton Sky Blue · Dec 30, 2019

chiefdave said:
You mean you don't take a gun with you to the supermarket?

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or when you pop out for a coffee

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not even when you go out for a burger?

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Bunch of nutters. Not going to change no matter how many shootings there are, too much money involved.

The argument often given by 2nd amendment activists is that they need to be armed to guard against government tyranny. Because the government with a $1 trillion military will really be put off by some wanker with a Kalashnikov

fellatio_Martinez · Dec 30, 2019

CovInEssex said:
Texans do love their guns and churches. And pick up trucks.

They love freedom too good buddy!

clint van damme · Dec 30, 2019

The answer is more guns!!

Deleted member 5849 · Dec 30, 2019

White Settlement is an unfortunate name for a place!

Gazolba · Dec 31, 2019

If the gunman had not been shot by a fellow-churchgoer, he would have killed a lot more people.
And the guy that shot the gunman was part of the church's security detail.
There have been mass-shootings in US churches before, so that seems a sensible precaution to me.

clint van damme · Dec 31, 2019

Gazolba said:
If the gunman had not been shot by a fellow-churchgoer, he would have killed a lot more people.
And the guy that shot the gunman was part of the church's security detail.
There have been mass-shootings in US churches before, so that seems a sensible precaution to me.

Surely a sensible precaution would be stricter gun laws given a person is shot dead every 3 hours in Texas?
Your post just illustrates the frankly crackpot attitude towards guns in the States.

tisza · Dec 31, 2019

Brighton Sky Blue said:
The argument often given by 2nd amendment activists is that they need to be armed to guard against government tyranny. Because the government with a $1 trillion military will really be put off by some wanker with a Kalashnikov

The manipulation of a 4 page document written over 200 years ago is one of the biggest hypocrisies of the self proclaimed greatest democracy in the world.
A vague document that is interpreted by political appointees that periodically sways depending on the balance of the supreme Court. Every chance Trump will affect US politics for many years if he gets to appoint just 1 more judge.

Brighton Sky Blue · Dec 31, 2019

tisza said:
The manipulation of a 4 page document written over 200 years ago is one of the biggest hypocrisies of the self proclaimed greatest democracy in the world.
A vague document that is interpreted by political appointees that periodically sways depending on the balance of the supreme Court. Every chance Trump will affect US politics for many years if he gets to appoint just 1 more judge.

They tend to pick and choose the times when that document matters. It didn’t matter when they were torturing inmates at Guantanamo or when they invoked stop and frisk. A country that leads the world only in military expenditure, obesity and incarceration rates.

BodicoteSkyBlue · Dec 31, 2019

Brighton Sky Blue said:
They tend to pick and choose the times when that document matters. It didn’t matter when they were torturing inmates at Guantanamo or when they invoked stop and frisk. A country that leads the world only in military expenditure, obesity and incarceration rates.

Bit harsh, don’t forget they always seem to be world champion’s at that funny rounders game they play.

Otis · Dec 31, 2019

clint van damme said:
Surely a sensible precaution would be stricter gun laws given a person is shot dead every 3 hours in Texas?
Your post just illustrates the frankly crackpot attitude towards guns in the States.

Yup. How can it be a sensible precaution to take a gun to church service?

It's batshit craziness. Not the answer!

tommydazzle · Dec 31, 2019

Otis said:
Yup. How can it be a sensible precaution to take a gun to church service?

It's batshit craziness. Not the answer!

Shotgun wedding?

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Dec 31, 2019

Gazolba said:
If the gunman had not been shot by a fellow-churchgoer, he would have killed a lot more people.
And the guy that shot the gunman was part of the church's security detail.
There have been mass-shootings in US churches before, so that seems a sensible precaution to me.

Or....

stricter gun controls and the people in the church might not have got shot and killed in the first place......

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Dec 31, 2019

tisza said:
The manipulation of a 4 page document written over 200 years ago is one of the biggest hypocrisies of the self proclaimed greatest democracy in the world.
A vague document that is interpreted by political appointees that periodically sways depending on the balance of the supreme Court. Every chance Trump will affect US politics for many years if he gets to appoint just 1 more judge.

Yep. Really hoping Ginsburg holds out until post-election and Trump doesn't win again. Him choosing another young Supreme Court justice would set the US back a generation. I expect we'll see the irony of both parties taking the exact opposite positions they did when Obama nominated and it was held back until post election because he was a 'lame duck'.

Still find it amazing that a single person gets to nominate members of the highest court which is supposed to be there as a check and balance on the power of that person. What if in a massive tragedy the entire Supreme Court died - the President would get to pick the entire Supreme Court and they could be there for 40-50 years depending on age. Madness.

I always find it funny when the gun crackpots say stuff like "it's in the constitution and you can't change the constitution" even though the right to bear arms is only in because the constitution was changed with the 2nd AMENDMENT.

hill83 · Dec 31, 2019

clint van damme said:
Surely a sensible precaution would be stricter gun laws given a person is shot dead every 3 hours in Texas?
Your post just illustrates the frankly crackpot attitude towards guns in the States.

Absolutely expected though. I could have typed his response word for word before he typed it himself.

Otis · Dec 31, 2019

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Or....

stricter gun controls and the people in the church might not have got shot and killed in the first place......

Now there's a novel idea.

Grendel · Dec 31, 2019

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Yep. Really hoping Ginsburg holds out until post-election and Trump doesn't win again. Him choosing another young Supreme Court justice would set the US back a generation. I expect we'll see the irony of both parties taking the exact opposite positions they did when Obama nominated and it was held back until post election because he was a 'lame duck'.

Still find it amazing that a single person gets to nominate members of the highest court which is supposed to be there as a check and balance on the power of that person. What if in a massive tragedy the entire Supreme Court died - the President would get to pick the entire Supreme Court and they could be there for 40-50 years depending on age. Madness.

I always find it funny when the gun crackpots say stuff like "it's in the constitution and you can't change the constitution" even though the right to bear arms is only in because the constitution was changed with the 2nd AMENDMENT.

I hope the UK bin our Supreme Court or adopt the US system of electing judges. It’s anti democratic and a fiasco - I’m sure Corbyn would have done the same if he was elected

tisza · Dec 31, 2019

Grendel said:
I hope the UK bin our Supreme Court or adopt the US system of electing judges. It’s anti democratic and a fiasco - I’m sure Corbyn would have done the same if he was elected

Problem with electing judges (or any public official) is it tends to get politicised.
Electing law enforcement officials, District attorneys, even dog catchers is crazy. America (probably more than anywhere else) is just about buying public office. Any idiot with a cheque book has a chance of getting elected to public office particularly with the partisan nature of party politics there.
Our judiciary is supposed to stay out of politics.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Dec 31, 2019

Grendel said:
I hope the UK bin our Supreme Court or adopt the US system of electing judges. It’s anti democratic and a fiasco - I’m sure Corbyn would have done the same if he was elected

But what about Johnson? If it takes as long for Labour to get back into an electable state as some are suggesting Conservatives would also have an opportunity to control SC appointments for a significant time and long term far more likely to control appointments given time in power by each major party. Wouldn't want either party having excess control over the highest court appointments. We're trying far too hard to ape a US system and way of life that has passed its zenith.

Reason I don't like US system is you've got legislative, judicial and executive which are supposed to be independent of each other and provide checks and balances of the others. How can they be independent if one of those three gets to choose one of the others?

Don't like the idea of lifetime appointments and one being replaced every electoral cycle is an option, but that still leaves the chance of multiple appointments by a single PM due to deaths etc.

Not sure of the answer (as you say scrapping it is potentially an answer) but for me the choice should come from within the judiciary itself, which I guess makes a papal style election the most analogous.

Gazolba · Dec 31, 2019

clint van damme said:
Surely a sensible precaution would be stricter gun laws given a person is shot dead every 3 hours in Texas?
Your post just illustrates the frankly crackpot attitude towards guns in the States.

They can't impose strict gun laws because it's unconstitutional.
The US constitution gives US residents the right to bear arms.
Changing the constitution requires two thirds of all States to agee and that will never happen.

Gazolba · Dec 31, 2019

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Or....

stricter gun controls and the people in the church might not have got shot and killed in the first place......

Criminals will always find ways to aquire guns, and they don't obey gun control laws anyway do they?

clint van damme · Dec 31, 2019

Gazolba said:
They can't impose strict gun laws because it's unconstitutional.
The US constitution gives US residents the right to bear arms.
Changing the constitution requires two thirds of all States to agee and that will never happen.

They can change whatever they want.
As Jim Jeffries says, it's an amendment!

No other country in the world would allow that sort of slaughter to go on and the only solution they come up with is more guns.
They're on about banning vapes after 6 deaths!

Their gun obsession is mind boggling. I have spoken to intelligent, compassionate, responsible people in the States who have this mental block when it comes to guns and any mention of tighter gun control gets them frothing at the mouth.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Dec 31, 2019

Gazolba said:
Criminals will always find ways to aquire guns, and they don't obey gun control laws anyway do they?

Same could be said of narcotics. Why aren't the US all about legalising all drugs?

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Dec 31, 2019

Gazolba said:
They can't impose strict gun laws because it's unconstitutional.
The US constitution gives US residents the right to bear arms.
Changing the constitution requires two thirds of all States to agee and that will never happen.

Remind of where in the original US constitution it gives US residents the right to bear arms.......

clint van damme · Dec 31, 2019

Gazolba said:
Criminals will always find ways to aquire guns, and they don't obey gun control laws anyway do they?

Come on. Compare gun deaths in the US to other countries. They're doing something wrong aren't they?

CanadianCCFC · Dec 31, 2019

You can’t deny this fella the right to bear arms... They’re the only arms he’s got

Paxman II · Dec 31, 2019

To really understand it you need to live in a country. I lived in Texas for 12 years and it was the safest place I have ever lived.

clint van damme · Dec 31, 2019

Paxman II said:
To really understand it you need to live in a country. I lived in Texas for 12 years and it was the safest place I have ever lived.

There are 12 deaths due to firearms every 100,000 in Texas.
Where else have you lived? Sinaloa and Basra?

chiefdave · Dec 31, 2019

Paxman II said:
I lived in Texas for 12 years and it was the safest place I have ever lived.

Not to pick on you Paxman this is the kind of comment you hear so often and I find it mind blowing when all the evidence and statistics show the US have a ridiculous level of gun deaths and controls working in every other country.

Probably posted this before but this three part report from John Oliver sums it up really

hill83 · Dec 31, 2019

Paxman II said:
To really understand it you need to live in a country. I lived in Texas for 12 years and it was the safest place I have ever lived.

Same sort of comment you get from my uncles age when he says “we never wore seatbelts and we were fine, health and safety gone mad”
Yeah. The people that did crash are dead pal.

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