skybluetony176
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Get well soon. Mental illness brought on by depression is a terrible thing to see anyone go through and can happen to anyone.
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sw88
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Feel for the bloke, but as Nick says, also feel for the lorry driver.
Until the admission I guess there were a lot of 'unknowns' and presume he would have been under the radar around the accident circumstances.
That said, Clarkes public admission must have been hard to do. That would take guts.
Wishing him a speedy recovery!
Until the admission I guess there were a lot of 'unknowns' and presume he would have been under the radar around the accident circumstances.
That said, Clarkes public admission must have been hard to do. That would take guts.
Wishing him a speedy recovery!
henry the wasp
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Lad at work was talking about some comments Ralph Little made on twitter about Clark Carlisle. Something about being done for drink driving 5 times?
Not on twitter so don't know anymore.
Not on twitter so don't know anymore.
ajsccfc
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Little clarifies it further here, while admitting Twitter's not the best place for that kind of thing - http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1skfskk
Sky_Blue_Daz
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He puts some very good points across
bringbackrattles
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I like Clarke Carlisle I find him articulate and intelligent and he talks well when he's commentating etc.
I watched a documentary on his battle with depression and it showed that you can have all the money and the lifestyle that goes with it,but when you suffer with depression that doesn't mean a thing as it can hit the rich and poor in the same way.
A friend of mine suffers with it and he's the life and soul of the party one day and without warning shuts himself away for weeks on end. Winston Churchill had bouts of it and he coined the phrase Black Dog which was his words to convey how he felt when really down. I sympathise with people with it and I stopped telling my mate to snap out of it years ago,as I now know it's not that easy !
I watched a documentary on his battle with depression and it showed that you can have all the money and the lifestyle that goes with it,but when you suffer with depression that doesn't mean a thing as it can hit the rich and poor in the same way.
A friend of mine suffers with it and he's the life and soul of the party one day and without warning shuts himself away for weeks on end. Winston Churchill had bouts of it and he coined the phrase Black Dog which was his words to convey how he felt when really down. I sympathise with people with it and I stopped telling my mate to snap out of it years ago,as I now know it's not that easy !
duffer
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I think you nailed it Nick, in essence this by definition is someone who isn't thinking straight.
I know footballers can be arseholes, but I don't think CC was considering how he might make someone else's life worse - in fact I'd say that if you've got to this point what you're often thinking about (wrongly) is how it will make everyone elses' lives better if you're not around. It's a scary place to be, I wish him (and the driver who must have been damaged by the experience) a full recovery.
SkyBlue_Bear83
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A few days before the suicide attempt, he was charged with a drink driving offence.
Hope he gets the help he needs, was a little surprised to see him talking about it and giving interviews so soon after it happened.
rob9872
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Selfish prick. Drink driving before the cowards way out and even then still endangering others, yet we're all supposed to feel sorry for him because he has issues. We all have issues every day its called life. I can't imagine the reaction would be the same if he'd done a McCormick.
Joy Division
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I dont think he chooses to live with depression.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Suicide is a selfish act...there is no doubt about that.....
but your post shows a total lack of understanding & compassion of the issues involved.
To attempt to equate a few grumbles in everyday life with the debilitating & severe mental health issue of suicidal depression is ridiculous.....
....its like equating terminal cancer of the bowel to suffering the mild after effects of a dodgy curry !!
Brighton Sky Blue
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He has traumatised the driver and once again puts his family through either the nightmare of losing him to suicide or the worry of him pulling through in hospital or not.
TrueSkyBlueLiam
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I know he suffered from depression a few years back but I thought he'd got through that. Seems sorta hypercritical of him though, seeing as he did a BBC 3 documentary on depression amongst footballers last year. Nevertheless, hope he gets through this
Nick
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Why is it hypocritical that he did a tv show about it? Maybe he did it because he knew about it?
That's like somebody doing a documentary about cancer and if they get it a few years later they are a hypacrite, how????
ajsccfc
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Unless he spent the entire documentary laughing at depressed footballers, it's not hypocritical at all. If anything he was the perfect choice.
Dismissing a suicide attempt as selfish or an easy way out is overly simplistic; to even consider an act is to no longer be in the realm of rationality that we enjoy the luxury of.
Dismissing a suicide attempt as selfish or an easy way out is overly simplistic; to even consider an act is to no longer be in the realm of rationality that we enjoy the luxury of.
rob9872
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The selfishness I was referring to was the lack of thought for others in drink driving and in front of a lorry that could have been fatal for many others. The cowardnesd in reference to not facing up to his responsibilities having been caught d&d hiding behind his 'depression'. Perhaps those who are high and mighty on the issue of depression should consider the other victims and potential victims rather than suggesting how they interpret alternative viewpoints.
bringbackrattles
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Come on Rob you usually talk sense and I agree with a lot of what you say especially on football matters,but I'm shocked at your coldness over Clarke Carlisle's suicide attempt. The blokes obviously ill and as he says he wanted out as his family would be better off without him,which showed how unstable he is. Depression is a terrible illness so unless we suffer with it ourselves it would be best to hold judgement.
ajsccfc
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It's nothing to do with being high and mighty at all, and certainly not about apportioning blame or sympathy as everyone involved suffers. It's that someone who's at a point mentally where they're ready to willingly end their own life simply doesn't see things as rationally or as reasonably as an onlooker can.
If he's guilty of drink driving, he should have all the punishment that comes with it. He should also get help.
If he's guilty of drink driving, he should have all the punishment that comes with it. He should also get help.
Nick
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/good-samaritan-who-helped-clarke-5997756
Sad news, just shows it does affect others.
Sad news, just shows it does affect others.
SkyblueBazza
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Having had involvement with people that suffer with depression...I do sympathise with sufferers BIG TIME. The media in general do report very sympathetically towards sufferers of the depression...but seem less inclined to report on the impact to others.
Clarke's is a perfect case in point. I remember at the time when this attempt was reported how I was a bit narked at the reporting of "poor Clarke" & his plight - how sympathetic I felt toward him, but how angry I felt about the complete disregard the media had for the poor guy minding his own business, tootling along in his truck, only to suddenly be faced with all the emotions & feelings he must've had.
This poor guy wasn't even driving the truck but just happened to be in the vicinity at the time & stopped to help - look at the impact on him...& his dad...mom...wife...kids...friends. It is devastating. Maybe by bigging up the whole story & the wider impact of one simple misguided action...the media could help depression sufferers realise their actions might actually have the opposite outcome to that they irrationally seek.
Just simply dreadful for all concerned & affected by it.
...onwards & upwards PUSB
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