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We'll_live_and_die · Jan 19, 2025

It's clear that Lamps has had the squad working on one touch passing. There were numerous times against Brizzle that we wriggled out of impossible pressure in the midfield with some nifty quick touches and movement off the ball.

There seemed a will to be first to loose balls and it worked really well.

The only criticism was that Rudoni tried it a few too many times when he probably had time to control it and be progressive, but I'm sure he'll learn the balance and the whole squad really impressed me.

Sky Blue Pete · Jan 19, 2025

We'll_live_and_die said:
It's clear that Lamps has had the squad working on one touch passing. There were numerous times against Brizzle that we wriggled out of impossible pressure in the midfield with some nifty quick touches and movement off the ball.

There seemed a will to be first to loose balls and it worked really well.

The only criticism was that Rudoni tried it a few too many times when he probably had time to control it and be progressive, but I'm sure he'll learn the balance and the whole squad really impressed me.

Yep from the back on the left a few times it was pretty brilliant

harvey098 · Jan 19, 2025

We’ve been doing that for years??

Sky Blue Goblin · Jan 19, 2025

Robins has us set up in this way throughout his time here.

No wonder Allen is doing so well considering he’s been here the longest and coached to do this for the longest time as well.

I might be criticised for this but early doors Lampard seems to tactically have a lot in common with Robins and feels very much a continuity appointment, some difference like the high line. Not saying this as a fault just something I’ve observed.

Terry_dactyl · Jan 19, 2025

Sky Blue Goblin said:
Robins has us set up in this way throughout his time here.

No wonder Allen is doing so well considering he’s been here the longest and coached to do this for the longest time as well.

I might be criticised for this but early doors Lampard seems to tactically have a lot in common with Robins and feels very much a continuity appointment, some difference like the high line. Not saying this as a fault just something I’ve observed.

That’s a good thing right?

skybluecam · Jan 19, 2025

Sky Blue Goblin said:
Robins has us set up in this way throughout his time here.

No wonder Allen is doing so well considering he’s been here the longest and coached to do this for the longest time as well.

I might be criticised for this but early doors Lampard seems to tactically have a lot in common with Robins and feels very much a continuity appointment, some difference like the high line. Not saying this as a fault just something I’ve observed.

Don’t think it’s worth drawing many conclusions from how we’re playing at the minute, Lampard would never willingly use 532, it’s just a stopgap till Wright/EMC are back

Sky Blue Goblin · Jan 19, 2025

Terry_dactyl said:
That’s a good thing right?

Yep I think so, shows a long term thinking into building a football culture at the club or luck. I like Lamps, think he’ll do well here.

Gibbo · Jan 19, 2025

We are definitely more direct. far more kicking by the goalkeeper, particularly yesterday. Under Robins I sensed the goalkeepers were in fear of being dropped if they kicked long to often

covcity4life · Jan 19, 2025

skybluecam said:
Don’t think it’s worth drawing many conclusions from how we’re playing at the minute, Lampard would never willingly use 532, it’s just a stopgap till Wright/EMC are back

He used it at Everton too. It has started as a stopgap but never know he may end up keeping it

Sky Blue Goblin · Jan 19, 2025

skybluecam said:
Don’t think it’s worth drawing many conclusions from how we’re playing at the minute, Lampard would never willingly use 532, it’s just a stopgap till Wright/EMC are back

Not how we’re playing at the moment but how we’ve been playing total in my opinion. In the 4-2-3-1, there was an emphasis on controlling the play, quick passing through the lines onto the wings to play in crosses.

clint van damme · Jan 19, 2025

skybluecam said:
Don’t think it’s worth drawing many conclusions from how we’re playing at the minute, Lampard would never willingly use 532, it’s just a stopgap till Wright/EMC are back

Well even that is reminiscent of Robins.
On more than one occasion he had a winning formula fall in to his lap as a result of some adversity.

Sky Blue Goblin · Jan 19, 2025

covcity4life said:
He used it at Everton too. It has started as a stopgap but never know he may end up keeping it

Can’t see it with our talent on the wings. Think he’ll go back to a 4-2-3-1 especially with the rumours about right wingers (Thomas and Goodman).

covcity4life · Jan 19, 2025

Sky Blue Goblin said:
Can’t see it with our talent on the wings. Think he’ll go back to a 4-2-3-1 especially with the rumours about right wingers (Thomas and Goodman).

I expect 433 back too eventually I'm just saying it's(532) not something I think lampard hates and wants to stop using asap that's all.

clint van damme · Jan 19, 2025

Sky Blue Goblin said:
Can’t see it with our talent on the wings. Think he’ll go back to a 4-2-3-1 especially with the rumours about right wingers (Thomas and Goodman).

That would almost certainly make Dasilva redundant
But if he can turn in a few more performances like yesterday we might be able to punt him to a team playing with a back 3, imagine turning a profit on Dasilva? Who'd have thought it?!

Sky Blue Goblin · Jan 19, 2025

clint van damme said:
That would almost certainly make Dasilva redundant
But if he can turn in a few more performances like yesterday we might be able to punt him to a team playing with a back 3, imagine turning a profit on Dasilva? Who'd have thought it?!

Other option is a 3-4-3. Which I think Lampard played at Everton and Chelsea (Rarely I’d add tho).

fatso · Jan 19, 2025

We'll_live_and_die said:
It's clear that Lamps has had the squad working on one touch passing. There were numerous times against Brizzle that we wriggled out of impossible pressure in the midfield with some nifty quick touches and movement off the ball.

There seemed a will to be first to loose balls and it worked really well.

The only criticism was that Rudoni tried it a few too many times when he probably had time to control it and be progressive, but I'm sure he'll learn the balance and the whole squad really impressed me.

Watching Eccles try it when he came on was a shit show. I guess there's a time and a place.

CCFCSteve · Jan 19, 2025

We'll_live_and_die said:
It's clear that Lamps has had the squad working on one touch passing. There were numerous times against Brizzle that we wriggled out of impossible pressure in the midfield with some nifty quick touches and movement off the ball.

There seemed a will to be first to loose balls and it worked really well.

The only criticism was that Rudoni tried it a few too many times when he probably had time to control it and be progressive, but I'm sure he'll learn the balance and the whole squad really impressed me.

Yeah, hopefully this is a sign of confidence growing in the team. Rudoni is so good technically, great to watch at times. As you say maybe overplays it now and then but really could be some player for us. Think he’s got 7 assists and 3 goals already (should’ve been 4 after great cross from Simms yesterday when he inexplicably missed from six yards out !). Considering we’ve been struggling that’s a great return

shmmeee · Jan 19, 2025

skybluecam said:
Don’t think it’s worth drawing many conclusions from how we’re playing at the minute, Lampard would never willingly use 532, it’s just a stopgap till Wright/EMC are back

Didn’t he use it at Chelsea and Everton?

KenilworthSkyBlue · Jan 19, 2025

clint van damme said:
That would almost certainly make Dasilva redundant
But if he can turn in a few more performances like yesterday we might be able to punt him to a team playing with a back 3, imagine turning a profit on Dasilva? Who'd have thought it?!

Not sure we'd be able to generate a fee for him. But I wouldn't be all that surprised if someone took over his existing contract, like with did with Bidwell when he was initially brought in.

Wing backs are a hard position to fill, especially at this level. There's a tonne of crap out there. Dasilva's got a decent pedigree and around 200 apps in the Championship. It's not improbable that clubs at the bottom end of the division or those coming up from L1 that play with a back three could take an interest.

skybluecam · Jan 19, 2025

shmmeee said:
Didn’t he use it at Chelsea and Everton?

In similar circumstances to now I think, yes

shmmeee · Jan 19, 2025

skybluecam said:
In similar circumstances to now I think, yes

He’s spoken when at Derby of wanting his squad to be flexible enough to play three and four at the back, though from what I can tell never actually used three at the back. Obviously his preferred system is 433 cos he’s tried that everywhere, but he’s no stranger to three at the back as most managers aren’t. It’s always something you want in your locker.

blunted · Jan 19, 2025

skybluecam said:
Don’t think it’s worth drawing many conclusions from how we’re playing at the minute, Lampard would never willingly use 532, it’s just a stopgap till Wright/EMC are back

I have always thought MWE, JDS and Bidders are better as wingbacks (even Bidders who is a more natural full back). That is because they are all defensively exposed with a back four. Our first choice left side attackers Haji and Mason-Clarke don't give adequate cover to left backs. Kitch was brilliant against Bristol City helping JDS with the first header allowing JDS to do what he is best at, play balls to feet.

shmmeee · Jan 19, 2025

blunted said:
I have always thought MWE, JDS and Bidders are better as wingbacks (even Bidders who is a more natural full back). That is because they are all defensively exposed with a back four. Our first choice left side attackers Haji and Mason-Clarke don't give adequate cover to left backs. Kitch was brilliant against Bristol City helping JDS with the first header allowing JDS to do what he is best at, play balls to feet.

Hard disagree on MvE. He’s a much better fullback with a winger in front than a wingback and far better defensively than going forwards.

olderskyblue · Jan 19, 2025

shmmeee said:
Hard disagree on MvE. He’s a much better fullback with a winger in front than a wingback and far better defensively than going forwards.

He still looks good in a race to get back, but his defending hasn’t actually been that good this season.

shmmeee · Jan 19, 2025

olderskyblue said:
He still looks good in a race to get back, but his defending hasn’t actually been that good this season.

Nothing he’s done has been great this season tbh. He’s stopped going past his man and his final ball hasn’t been great either. But on his game he’s a good defender and works best going forwards with a winger IMO.

Mucca Mad Boys · Jan 19, 2025

shmmeee said:
Hard disagree on MvE. He’s a much better fullback with a winger in front than a wingback and far better defensively than going forwards.

Hard disagree on Bidwell too. The only fullback we have who looks better as a WB is JDS.

stevefloyd · Jan 20, 2025

fatso said:
Watching Eccles try it when he came on was a shit show. I guess there's a time and a place.

To be fair Eccles wants plenty of time on the ball so he can pick a pass that drops us in it the most

stevefloyd · Jan 20, 2025

shmmeee said:
Hard disagree on MvE. He’s a much better fullback with a winger in front than a wingback and far better defensively than going forwards.

My main criticism of Milan is his lazy attempts to get back when we are under pressure especially after he's just given the ball away, done it at least twice on Saturday almost as if his head has been turned!

shmmeee · Jan 20, 2025

stevefloyd said:
My main criticism of Milan is his lazy attempts to get back when we are under pressure especially after he's just given the ball away, done it at least twice on Saturday almost as if his head has been turned!

I think it almost certainly has.

KenilworthSkyBlue · Jan 20, 2025

stevefloyd said:
My main criticism of Milan is his lazy attempts to get back when we are under pressure especially after he's just given the ball away, done it at least twice on Saturday almost as if his head has been turned!

MVE's performances this season remind me a lot of Christie's final season at the club.

Sky Blue Pete · Jan 20, 2025

KenilworthSkyBlue said:
MVE's performances this season remind me a lot of Christie's final season at the club.

He still the only guy who gets back and saves us time and time again when another team hits the ball long
I don’t think you or others appreciate the excellent aspects of his play and only focus on what isn’t so good

Fancy anyone wanting him to play champions league if he’s so shit

KenilworthSkyBlue · Jan 20, 2025

Sky Blue Pete said:
He still the only guy who gets back and saves us time and time again when another team hits the ball long
I don’t think you or others appreciate the excellent aspects of his play and only focus on what isn’t so good

Fancy anyone wanting him to play champions league if he’s so shit

That's probably because there's been more bad aspects than good this season. Hard to celebrate one good thing when he makes several poor decisions per game.

He's a talented player, but on the whole he's been pretty disappointing so far in 24/25.

SkyBlueSteve81 · Jan 20, 2025

Several goals this year have come from Milan being up field, us losing the ball (not Milan himself I stress) and him not being able to get back.

That being said there have also been plenty of times that he has worked his socks off to get back and either made a good challenge or delayed the opposition player long enough for us to get back into shape.

SBT · Jan 21, 2025

Not sure where else to put this, but a really interesting (long) quote from Norwich's manager about teams who insist on playing out from the back:

Thorup's impassioned defence of playing out from the back

Johannes Hoff Thorup has launched an impassioned defence of Norwich City’s strategy of playing out from the back - and has refused to change even…

www.pinkun.com

shmmeee · Jan 21, 2025

SBT said:
Not sure where else to put this, but a really interesting (long) quote from Norwich's manager about teams who insist on playing out from the back:

Thorup's impassioned defence of playing out from the back

Johannes Hoff Thorup has launched an impassioned defence of Norwich City’s strategy of playing out from the back - and has refused to change even…

www.pinkun.com

Think this quote in interesting just because I reckon fans do want to see duels.

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