If people love franchising, they won't moan if CCFC gets moved to somewhere else and pulls in bigger crowds than it currently is then?
Other than they recognise the benefits of having two major sports teams at the siteWhatever comments Mr Fisher makes regarding potential part ownership of the Ricoh are irrelevant. Wasps have no current or future plans to have a partner at the Ricoh.
Whatever comments Mr Fisher makes regarding potential part ownership of the Ricoh are irrelevant. Wasps have no current or future plans to have a partner at the Ricoh.
I’ve put a few thoughts about this on the Wasps bit of the forum. I admire your principled stand, but think it’s more complicated than you believe. Tell me where Wasps should really be playing now - on the other sub-forum of course
This is the only forum I visit where the admin spends most of his time WUMing.
Sorry - the question is easy to answer. If CCFC were moved elsewhere I'd be furious because they absolutely belong in Coventry.
With Wasps it's different - do they belong in Wycombe where they built up a bigger fan base after being moved out of London many years ago ("franchised" if you insist on that vague term)? Or would you help them out by putting them back where you think they belong in London? The obvious answer is that it's ridiculous for us to tell them what to do. It's up to them to decide, and their fans seem pretty happy with Coventry to me.
It is. It is not just black and white. I am against franchising and was against Wasps coming here, but their situation and history has been tangled, not straightforward and rather muddied.
I think you can be totally against franchising but understand why Wasps moved here from Wycombe.
Let's face it, they should never have been in Wycombe in the first place. Anyway, this is all old ground, but as with most things, it is not just black and white.
That's my view as well.
London Wasps were wrong to move from London to Wycombe.
How does a London team moving around outside of London make any difference to that?
So if we had moved an extra 40 miles from Coventry while we were at Northampton it would have been ok?
If people love franchising, they won't moan if CCFC gets moved to somewhere else and pulls in bigger crowds than it currently is then?
So if we had moved an extra 40 miles from Coventry while we were at Northampton it would have been ok?
Presumably that's a question aimed at Suxfield attendees as the vast majority of our fan base never stepped foot in the dump and never would.
For those that were boycotting it wouldn't have made a difference.
Those going to Sixfields, the principle of it wouldn't have changed either. Only the distance, so the reasons for them to be against it would be all about convenience.
oh look a thread where sisu's true colors are shown again and once again we have Grendel and Nick rushing to take the discussion as far away as possible. Havn't we already discussed the moral aspects of moving wasps to death, it's completely irrelevant to this thread though whether you think franchising is always unacceptable or that it can sometimes be necessary even though it sucks.
Well it would have wouldn't it, it would have no longer been a temporary move which would have made a lot of difference. The principle would have changed a fair bit.
But surely if your against something on principal it doesn't matter if its temporary or permanent? After all there was no evidence to suggest Ccfc would ever come back.
Or, as I believe, doesn't this show that the Wasps/Northampton situations are completely different and its wrong to try and compare them?
I am not trying to take it anywhere, I was replying to other posts.
You are right though, us moving away was in the past so we shouldn't talk about it any more. That is how it works right?
Glad to see the usual sisu sympathisers are turning this thread into another bash at wasps.
Basically look at the facts. When Cov moved to sixfields attendances dropped to 1,500. Look at that compared to wasps. Attendances from 4,000 to 23,000.
What does that tell you?
OK, so I will wait for you to have a go at Norman who I was replying to?
Is this information from Tim Fisher, the bloke who couldn't lie straight in bed or Tim Fisher the bloke who only speaks the truth by the way?
So what you mean is it is fine for everybody else but Coventry to do it?
People are fighting their hardest to defend Wasps moving and justify it, simply because "we can't tell them what to do" but if the same thing happened to CCFC then they would be furious?
Temporary or Permanent makes a lot of difference doesn't it? I have said plenty of times I'd never have gone to watch Coventry City 30 miles away if it was a permanent move, while it was temporary I would if I could but the moment it changed to "we are here for life" then that would have been the cut off point.
Surely if you are against something on principal that follows through in general to it happening to other people / teams too rather than just yourself?
Do you watch Solihull Blaze(Barons) at the "Sky Dome" Nick?Temporary or Permanent makes a lot of difference doesn't it? I have said plenty of times I'd never have gone to watch Coventry City 30 miles away if it was a permanent move, while it was temporary I would if I could but the moment it changed to "we are here for life" then that would have been the cut off point. Surely if you are against something on principal that follows through in general to it happening to other people / teams too rather than just yourself?
Normans post wasn't trying to cause an argument, You know full well what happens to a thread when you post what you did because you've done it so many times.
Oh that one again, we should play bullshit bingo, Tim Fisher is always completely untrustworthy, So your view is because Fisher lies alot, instead of discussing his comments we should argue about franchising again?.
You should take a look at how you post because you really have become a Wum, it's nothing to do with people just having different views to you, thats completely legitimate.
Stu and nick jump straight on it lol.
It tells me and most neutral people that wasps seen a gap in the market and pounced on it. Sign of a good business man. Sisu on the other hand moved a club 40 miles away to distress ACL and hardly anyone agreed hence the low low crowds.
When Wasps moved to Wycombe did they have any plans to move back to London?
What was the OP about again?So because I replied with a different opinion in direct reply to his post people don't like it?
No, my view is that if people say "Tim Fisher always speaks bullshit, tim fisher is a lying bastard" they shouldn't then suddenly believe certain things and use them as hardcore evidence to make them look bad.
So it is a WUM to basically take people's arguments for Wasps and turn them round and ask how it would be if it was CCFC? Not sure how that is wumming to be honest. If me asking "would that be ok if it was CCFC" really upsets people then maybe that says it all.
What was the OP about again?
Nick. Attempting to expose a hypocrisy that isn't really there in order to justify his Sixfields attendance since Dec 2014....
That Coventry is the home of the bandwagon?
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Stu and nick jump straight on it lol.
It tells me and most neutral people that wasps seen a gap in the market and pounced on it. Sign of a good business man. Sisu on the other hand moved a club 40 miles away to distress ACL and hardly anyone agreed hence the low low crowds.
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