I maintain that ours wage bill will be one of the highest in this league. Certainly higher than Lincoln,Mansfield, Exeter and Wycombe who are all above us. You telling me Doyle, Kelly, McDonald, Davies, Willis, mcnuly, Vincenti, Stokes, Jones to name but a few aren't up there with some of the highest paid in the league.I am expecting us to have a more competitive budget in League 2 than we did in League 1 yes. Mainly because the average budgets are lower in League 2. I'd also hazard a guess our budget wasn't bottom 4 last year.
It's all well and good saying "Nick is never wrong" but make your actual point, you don't like it when anybody questions a manager because to you it's as simple as their "hands are tied" so they can do what they want.
Only from what has usually come from Fishers own mouth Nick.Those two figures are attributable to him, although I'm buggered If I'm doing a trawl to find them.Wasn't trying to pull it apart, more see how you worked it out to get the player only percentage from turnover to try and then see how it compared. (Obviously all rough estimates rather than 100% bang on figures before somebody says that!)
Only from what has usually come from Fishers own mouth Nick.Those two figures are attributable to him, although I'm buggered If I'm doing a trawl to find them.
He did say rock bottom at the last Fans forum he did.I am expecting us to have a more competitive budget in League 2 than we did in League 1 yes. Mainly because the average budgets are lower in League 2. I'd also hazard a guess our budget wasn't bottom 4 last year.
It's all well and good saying "Nick is never wrong" but make your actual point, you don't like it when anybody questions a manager because to you it's as simple as their "hands are tied" so they can do what they want.
He did say rock bottom at the last Fans forum he did.
I said this in the first few months after they came in...that they would deconstruct then reconstruct to make the club run soundly in finance terms. Struth - I had no idea they would go as far as they have to achieve it..!
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Surely if there's no difference between accrued and paid, why doesn't he just tell Visa he has paid it and be done with it?
ask him what it was that was paying the Wages, direct costs and administrative overheads then ?
You have to allocate the fans pound across all the costs in much the same way as the Council tax summaries you get. It is illogical to allocate it all to one type of cost because that doesn't actually represent the reality. all income goes in to one pot that pays out all costs
The reason ARVO does not draw the interest is because there is not enough cash from all sources left to be able to do so. The fans £1 has been used to pay other costs not interest
He is also seemingly pushing every bit of debt will be paid back some how, pretty sure even there was a fire sale of every player, ccfc sign, bib from ryton and football it wouldn't get anywhere close.
good luck with that idea............ only way that happens is if ARVO/SBS&L/Otium win the court cases for JR2
I am expecting us to have a more competitive budget in League 2 than we did in League 1 yes. Mainly because the average budgets are lower in League 2. I'd also hazard a guess our budget wasn't bottom 4 last year.
It's all well and good saying "Nick is never wrong" but make your actual point, you don't like it when anybody questions a manager because to you it's as simple as their "hands are tied" so they can do what they want.
Our form under Mowbray and Robins wasn’t bottom four either. IIRC it would have been about on budget especially under Robins. It was the Venus/Slade period where we underachieved in terms of budget and that period sealed our relegation.
The budget certainly wasn’t a top half or top 8 budget. Something I took abuse for certainly up until Xmas for pointing that out. Funnily enough it’s the same posters pretty much who dismissed me when saying it now think we’re underachieving compared to what they now assume the budget to be. Hence asking why we (that’s the royal we) keep believing what certain parties let or encourage us believe the budget is putting undue pressure on a manager who is already doing a difficult job well in difficult and uncertain circumstances. It’s the same faces every season who buy it.
No for this year, enabling us to either reduce player salaries or be a big fish I guess.He said our budget was rock bottom of league 1 when we went down?
No for this year, enabling us to either reduce player salaries or be a big fish I guess.
Fisher should spin it that for every £1 they get from fans they spend £4 on running the club (haven't currently got the actual numbers, so whatever it works out as).He is expressing it as if the interest in its entirety is part of every £1 a fan pays over. Its a useless statistic and confuses the issue. Every £ a fan spends is being spent by the club on keeping the operation going. The Interest is not being paid and being rolled up for a hoped for payment sometime in the future and that payment will not be directly linked to a fans £ spent in season 2016/17, it will come from other future funds
He said our budget was rock bottom of league 1 when we went down?
Fisher should spin it that for every £1 they get from fans they spend £4 on running the club (haven't currently got the actual numbers, so whatever it works out as).
Trying to be realistic other than finding a billionaire that doesn't mind throwing millions at the club what is the fix here? We're trying to be self sustaining, hard to argue against from a business perspective, in a field where a large number of our competitors are happy to rack up huge losses year in year out.Since the administration the reality is that SISU have only put money in if it was absolutely necessary in order to keep Otium trading - their strategy would appear to be turn the finance tap off and let the club find its own level. Hardly any great business acumen, the club had to adopt "live within means" or cease to exist.
Doesn't that mean that the interest would be paid off in one year despite having been accrued over 10 years?He is expressing it as if the interest in its entirety is part of every £1 a fan pays over. Its a useless statistic and confuses the issue.
Do football clubs have restricted an unrestricted income? I cant see any mention of it in the accounts so I suspect not but if someone was willing to put £1M into Otium only to be used for buying players and paying salaries surely the club would have to consider that and would only be able to recover certain costs into unrestricted pots for other costs.ask him what it was that was paying the Wages, direct costs and administrative overheads then ?
You have to allocate the fans pound across all the costs in much the same way as the Council tax summaries you get. It is illogical to allocate it all to one type of cost because that doesn't actually represent the reality. all income goes in to one pot that pays out all costs
The reason ARVO does not draw the interest is because there is not enough cash from all sources left to be able to do so. The fans £1 has been used to pay other costs not interest
He is still going for it, not sure why he would want to spin it so much one way? Nobody is debating the interest accrued or saying that £1.85m wasn't added to the debt.
I think he's who the BBC use for their annual calculations. Shame as its going to be taken as fact now that you're giving sisu money.Yeah, he's the goto for this sort of thing in the media which is the worrying bit and I assume why the club felt the need to correct him quickly.
It is a fact that SISU & ARVO charged Sky Blue Sport & Leisure £1.85 million in interest last season, equivalent to 76 pence for every £1 put into the club through the turnstiles. SISU & ARVO could wipe out the debt by converting it into shares, & no more interest would be due.
I think he's who the BBC use for their annual calculations. Shame as its going to be taken as fact now that you're giving sisu money.
You’re doing it yourself. You talk about tactics as if he has unlimited resources to sign unlimited players to cover an unlimited number of tactics and possibilities. He can only sign a limited number of players based on a limited budget and that only gives you a limited number ways to set a team up utilising their skills.Really? Can you go through the match threads then and see anybody who critisises Robins tactics or the way he sets us up and see where they are "falling" for this budget stuff? Maybe they are just judging it on what they see at matches week in, week out?
People will just the players on manager on what they see it games, trying to justify the Wycombe game as some sort of tactical masterclass to prove a point is a bit random too.
Under Mowbray last season we drew 6 and lost 4. Not the best form either.
You’re doing it yourself. You talk about tactics as if he has unlimited resources to sign unlimited players to cover an unlimited number of tactics and possibilities. He can only sign a limited number of players based on a limited budget and that only gives you a limited number ways to set a team up utilising their skills.
He is still going for it, not sure why he would want to spin it so much one way? Nobody is debating the interest accrued or saying that £1.85m wasn't added to the debt.
History tells us that the budget is never as good as a large section allow themselves (usually with help from one individual in the club) to believe. This happens season after season and the same section are also usually disappointed when we don’t reach their misplaced expectations. This isn’t knowing better, it’s just paying attention to our history and not making presumptions to the contrary.Some on here (one person in particular) are obviously missing the irony of telling others they know better about the managers budget, when they have as little knowledge of it as everyone else.
Until anyone has the budget sheet in front of them in black and white, they cant decry others opinions as they know as much, which is nothing just pure supposition.
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