Confused by all of this (1 Viewer)

dongonzalos · Dec 2, 2013

First time tonight been able to have a look on the site. In all honesty there is too much to read to catch up.

Get the impression it has pretty much been confirmed that SISU have no interest in rent and want the Ricoh on the cheap. Not entirely sure how this has been confirmed.

What is confusing is that I thought pretty much everyone already knew this anyway?

That most disagreed agreed with the actions of SISU and a handful of people defend it?

Is it correct that it took a Guardian Journo to get to the crux of it.

If so why have the CET not been able to do this earlier.

Also has anyone yet discovered how building a new stadium is financially viable over a long term rent deal?

Also has anyone independently ascertained a value of the Ricoh?

Grendel · Dec 2, 2013

dongonzalos said:
First time tonight been able to have a look on the site. In all honesty there is too much to read to catch up.

Get the impression it has pretty much been confirmed that SISU have no interest in rent and want the Ricoh on the cheap. Not entirely sure how this has been confirmed.

What is confusing is that I thought pretty much everyone already knew this anyway?

That most disagreed agreed with the actions of SUSU and a handful of people defend it?

Is it correct that it took a Guardian Journo to get to the crux of it.

If so why have the CET not been able to do this earlier.

Also has anyone yet discovered how building a new stadium is financially viable over a long term rent deal.

Also has anyone independently ascertained a value of the Ricoh?

Love it this article is just assumed as fact

dongonzalos · Dec 2, 2013

Grendel said:
Love it this article is just assumed as fact

Is that all it is, or has there been agreed facts?

Grendel · Dec 2, 2013

dongonzalos said:
Is that all it is, or has there been agreed facts?

Certainly been agreed on here as fact.

dongonzalos · Dec 2, 2013

I presume you already thought SISU would like to buy the Ricoh at a cheap price and have no interest in securing a rent deal?

skybluetony176 · Dec 2, 2013

les read picked it up after being exposed by the guardian.

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/football-news/sisu-boss-joy-seppala-rejects-6363684

so it must be true. i'm just surprised he wasn't the one to break the story, he seems to know more details than the guardian. either he has a bat phone to joy and got the details or he already new the facts but hadn't bothered to print them, possibly.

kingharvest · Dec 2, 2013

Grendel said:
Certainly been agreed on here as fact.

Which bit are you disputing?

A journo like David Conn rarely goes to print without being sure. Too much detail in there surely, such as "An offer made via the football league"

Grendel · Dec 2, 2013

skybluetony176 said:
les read picked it up after being exposed by the guardian.

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/football-news/sisu-boss-joy-seppala-rejects-6363684

so it must be true. i'm just surprised he wasn't the one to break the story, he seems to know more details than the guardian. either he has a bat phone to joy and got the details or he already new the facts but hadn't bothered to print them, possibly.

That article suggests its the same offer made previously but weighted differently so its not really a news item.

shmmeee · Dec 2, 2013

Grendel said:
Certainly been agreed on here as fact.

It's got quotes from Seppala and Labovich, the latter certainly relating to the offer, of course it's fucking fact.

You'd argue the sky was pink if the Council said it was blue.

shmmeee · Dec 2, 2013

Grendel said:
That article suggests its the same offer made previously but weighted differently so its not really a news item.

No, the article suggests it's a new offer, for 3 years as an alternative to Northampton. And Sisu are quoted dismissing it out of hand. That's pretty much smoking gun territory.

Deleted member 5849 · Dec 2, 2013

kingharvest said:
Which bit are you disputing?

A journo like David Conn rarely goes to print without being sure. Too much detail in there surely, such as "An offer made via the football league"

Think we can be sure there's an offer, more whether the constraints of word limits if nothing else offer a detailed breakdown of said offer.

Just needs a spot of confirmation of the detail, that's all. Football league would no doubt readily give that confirmation if it was relayed via them (and undoubtedly that's why it was done that way!)

Grendel · Dec 2, 2013

shmmeee said:
It's got quotes from Seppala and Labovich, the latter certainly relating to the offer, of course it's fucking fact.

You'd argue the sky was pink if the Council said it was blue.

So whats the difference to the £400,000 offer?

skybluetony176 · Dec 2, 2013

Grendel said:
That article suggests its the same offer made previously but weighted differently so its not really a news item.

no it don't. it quite clear in the single line 2nd paragraph "The offer was made by council leader Ann Lucas during talks with Sisu boss Seppala"

that's a new offer by any definition. it offers a better financial short term solution than renting at sixfields but was still rejected.

why! is the only question anybody should be asking right now.

Grendel · Dec 2, 2013

skybluetony176 said:
no it don't. it quite clear in the single line 2nd paragraph "The offer was made by council leader Ann Lucas during talks with Sisu boss Seppala"

that's a new offer by any definition. it offers a better financial short term solution than renting at sixfields but was still rejected.

why! is the only question anybody should be asking right now.

The £400,000 offer was a better solution anyway so what has changed?

dongonzalos · Dec 2, 2013

skybluetony176 said:
les read picked it up after being exposed by the guardian.

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/football-news/sisu-boss-joy-seppala-rejects-6363684

so it must be true. i'm just surprised he wasn't the one to break the story, he seems to know more details than the guardian. either he has a bat phone to joy and got the details or he already new the facts but hadn't bothered to print them, possibly.

Is it me or does that link not work.

I don't understand why Les does not investigate the claims that building a new stadium is a better financial option than a long term rent deal for both SISU and CCFC.

Also if he is supportive that the council should sell to SISU
Why does the CET not get and independent sports stadium valuer to provide their estimated valuation.

Then the council can be questioned why they are looking for a far bigger price. Alternatively SISU can be questioned why they are not prepared to pay what it is worth.

Deleted member 5849 · Dec 2, 2013

dongonzalos said:
Is it me or does that link not work.

It's you

skybluetony176 · Dec 2, 2013

Grendel said:
The £400,000 offer was a better solution anyway so what has changed?

what is the problem grendull.

the club have been offered the ricoh rent for the remainder of the season and the following 2 seasons for £ 100k. you should be questioning sh1tsu for rejecting it, anything else is your personnel folly for attention.

either you want the club back in coventry or you dont.

if you do the offer should make you happy but all you have done is bitch about it.

dongonzalos · Dec 2, 2013

shmmeee said:
No, the article suggests it's a new offer, for 3 years as an alternative to Northampton. And Sisu are quoted dismissing it out of hand. That's pretty much smoking gun territory.

Wow, so they were offered a stadium in Coventry whilst they build their new stadium and said no?

Presumedly at no additional cost than it is costing them to be at Sixfields? Some 2-3 million a year apparently?

Are they still maintaining they are not trying to distress ACL?

dongonzalos · Dec 2, 2013

Deleted member 5849 said:
It's you

Damn
I don't suppose you could copy and paste the article for me I just can't get it to appear

Deleted member 5849 · Dec 2, 2013

dongonzalos said:
Damn
I don't suppose you could copy and paste the article for me I just can't get it to appear

http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threa...ouncil-offer-to-play-at-Ricoh-Arena-rent-free

Grendel · Dec 2, 2013

skybluetony176 said:
what is the problem grendull.

the club have been offered the ricoh rent for the remainder of the season and the following 2 seasons for £ 100k. you should be questioning sh1tsu for rejecting it, anything else is your personnel folly for attention.

either you want the club back in coventry or you dont.

if you do the offer should make you happy but all you have done is bitch about it.

the problem is it hasn't worked - they are not back in Coventry

skybluetony176 · Dec 2, 2013

Grendel said:
the problem is it hasn't worked - they are not back in Coventry

on that we agree.

so stop comparing it to any other deal and start shouting why. if we cant unite as fans on this point we really are fucked.

dongonzalos · Dec 2, 2013

Managed to read it now on another thread.
Grendel TBF it does seem to confirm SISU turned down an opportunity to play in Coventry, whilst building their new stadium at a cost less than what they are paying now.

I thought your stance was what is good for Coventry is most important not SISU, the Council or ACL.

I am surprised you are not attacking SISU over this one.

I would suggest SISU will only make financial decision not decisions based on personal grudges.
Financially a return to the Ricoh is better if you genuinely intend to build a new stadium.
It doesn't however if you one and only aim is distress ACL and buy the Ricoh in the cheap.

wingy · Dec 2, 2013

dongonzalos said:
Managed to read it now on another thread.
Grendel TBF it does seem to confirm SISU turned down an opportunity to play in Coventry, whilst building their new stadium at a cost less than what they are paying now.

I thought your stance was what is good for Coventry is most important not SISU, the Council or ACL.

I am surprised you are not attacking SISU over this one.

I would suggest SISU will only make financial decision not decisions based on personal grudges.
Financially a return to the Ricoh is better if you genuinely intend to build a new stadium.
It doesn't however if you one and only aim is distress ACL and buy the Ricoh in the cheap.

And If you can stamp all over the people that have shown such Temerity so much the better.

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