Confused from Coventry (2 Viewers)

GaryJones · Feb 4, 2016

Errr - I am confused - are we in the market for more loan signings or not - Two News stories today from CET & BBC CW seem to contradict each other - Err I think!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35466968

Chris Anderson says CCFC will NOT be signing any more loan players:

Managing director Chris Anderson says it is "highly unlikely" that Coventry City will sign any more players on loan after adding more than their full complement at the Ricoh Arena.Rules state that clubs can have only five loan players in a match-day squad, and Tony Mowbray's side now have six following a busy transfer deadline day."I think it's highly unlikely we'll bring in more loans," said Anderson.

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sp...news/coventry-city-boss-tony-mowbray-10830976

Tony Mowbray however says:
The Sky Blues boss has targeted more hot striking talent from the Premier League and intends to draft in two more to his squad when the emergency loan window opens on Tuesday.
“I have had one or two conversations and I would be pretty hopeful that we’ll have one or two more additions in the next few weeks when the (Loan) window opens again,” confirmed Mowbray, who is also looking at the possibility of free agents who might be available.

Chipfat · Feb 4, 2016

TM must be very frustrated at the minute, seems like Anderson is planning the squad and TM is being asked to cope with what is going to happen. Im not sure this is what TM signed up for and can't see him lasting if he has no control of the squad. Anderson is very quickly turning into Ken and Waggot combined, think the power has gone to his head a little and would do well just saying nothing and hanging around in the back ground, instead of pretending he knows how to build and generate a squad to compete.

chiefdave · Feb 4, 2016

IMO having Mowbray and Venus in control of all things football related has been a big plus this year and has let to success. It seems odd, hopefully just coincidental, that within a few days of Anderson turning up things started going downhill and now he seems to be getting involved in the football side and directly contradicting what Mowbray is saying.

usskyblue · Feb 4, 2016

Anderson's comments don't rule out the possible signing of free agents, and the Mowbray article states that TM is looking in to signing free agents.

Captain Dart · Feb 4, 2016

Which loans expire soon? Errmm none I think.. Kent, Turner gone.

Maddison - end of season
Cargill - end of season
Stephens - end of season
Bigirimana - end of season
Armstrong - end of season
Murphy - end of season

There's no limit on the number on loan players you can have at any one time in the Football League but maximum 5 on any team sheet.

Cole, Hunt, Rose, Lorenzen - not loans

usskyblue · Feb 4, 2016

Aren't loan wages usually subsidized or fully paid by the parent club? If that's the case, loans are cheaper than players under contract....and therefore easier to justify leaving out of the squad. I imagine, the only issue would be, if there are playing time clauses, juggling enough playing time for each loanee.

DazzleTommyDazzle · Feb 4, 2016

usskyblue said:
Anderson's comments don't rule out the possible signing of free agents, and the Mowbray article states that TM is looking in to signing free agents.

There's a danger that we try to read too much into press comments, but TM's (reported) remarks seem to suggest that his main interest is/was in loans.

“I have had one or two conversations and I would be pretty hopeful that we’ll have one or two more additions in the next few weeks when the (Loan) window opens again,” confirmed Mowbray, who is also looking at the possibility of free agents who might be available.

chiefdave · Feb 4, 2016

He also was quoted about it causing problems with having to leave players out as we are at the limit which would indicate he was talking about loans.

Realistically we're looking for a goalscorer. I can't imagine there's many good strikers sat around unable to find a club.

Samo · Feb 4, 2016

You would think they might have got their stories straight. The feeling I have is that things have not gone to plan and a bit of panic has set in

GaryJones · Feb 4, 2016

Samo said:
You would think they might have got their stories straight. The feeling I have is that things have not gone to plan and a bit of panic has set in

Agree Samo - I think we will end up signing another loan player - dont think too many free agents knocking around the Premier League and TM directly alludes to picking up PL players - still confused though!

Brylowes · Feb 4, 2016

usskyblue said:
Aren't loan wages usually subsidized or fully paid by the parent club? If that's the case, loans are cheaper than players under contract....and therefore easier to justify leaving out of the squad. I imagine, the only issue would be, if there are playing time clauses, juggling enough playing time for each loanee.

In these circumstances it's very unlikely the parent club would be impressed
if their player were not even making the match day squad.
Whoever they loan them to,the main objective is for them to get game time.

usskyblue · Feb 4, 2016

Brylowes said:
In these circumstances it's very unlikely the parent club would be impressed
if their player were not even making the match day squad.
Whoever they loan them to,the main objective is for them to get game time.

Like I said: If it is the case, honoring the parent club's specified playing time would probably be the only issue ..

ceetee · Feb 4, 2016

If we coul cancel one loan before we took on another then we could be said to have not taken on "another" loan

stevefloyd · Feb 4, 2016

If loans get us out of this league so be it loan away... if some players miss out on a match day squad so be it they aint good enough ...if they are good enough they will play...Murphy beware get yer act together lol

italiahorse · Feb 4, 2016

usskyblue said:
Anderson's comments don't rule out the possible signing of free agents, and the Mowbray article states that TM is looking in to signing free agents.

Free agents are players without a club so are unlikely to hit the ground running.
Seems a mess up that the Maddison money which could be used to buy players was too late to use.

So in this 2 year project what players do we take forward to next year ? :thinking about:

GaryJones · Feb 4, 2016

Yes this is all well and good but the main money man (Anderson) says no more loans and the main football man (Mowbray) says maybe 2 loans - something has got to give here.

Samo · Feb 4, 2016

italiahorse said:
Free agents are players without a club so are unlikely to hit the ground running.
Seems a mess up that the Maddison money which could be used to buy players was too late to use.

So in this 2 year project what players do we take forward to next year ? :thinking about:

Or a convenience.

Gazolba · Feb 4, 2016

If you have more than five loanees that may be a good thing because they know only five can play so that should give them an incentive to play well and get chosen. If there are only five and they all know they are in the squad, where is the incentive?

Gazolba · Feb 4, 2016

GaryJones said:
<snip> the main money man (Anderson) says no more loans and the main football man (Mowbray) says maybe 2 loans - something has got to give here.

0+2/2 = 1 loan

GaryJones · Feb 4, 2016

Is that a council loan? - Coventry City Council t/a Bargain Loans R Us (No questions asked)

Buster · Feb 5, 2016

If you "loan" yourself out of a division, what do you do the next year ? Loan yourself to stay up ?

ClarkeZ · Feb 5, 2016

Buster said:
If you "loan" yourself out of a division, what do you do the next year ? Loan yourself to stay up ?

Thats part of it yes.
By getting promotion theres a significant financial windfall too. Meaning wage budgets increase, more money can be spent on a few key players (hopefully) and better loanees come in also.

Only well established premier league clubs tend to operate without loanees at all, so there will always be an element of that in the team.

shmmeee · Feb 5, 2016

Buster said:
If you "loan" yourself out of a division, what do you do the next year ? Loan yourself to stay up ?

It's not a big deal. The fact is even if we owned all our players we'd probably have to rebuild to stay up anyway. With loans you get better quality and less ongoing cost if players can't make the step-up.

Samo · Feb 5, 2016

shmmeee said:
It's not a big deal. The fact is even if we owned all our players we'd probably have to rebuild to stay up anyway. With loans you get better quality and less ongoing cost if players can't make the step-up.

Yep, and as I have pointed out before, it means we will not have a bunch of contracted L1 players who won't hack it and we can't get rid of.

smouch1975 · Feb 5, 2016

Totally agree if eyes are still on promotion. A group of league one players on long term contracts will require substantial compensation to leave .

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Hobo · Feb 5, 2016

The market. Is awash with players looking for contracts. Short term deals are the way of league 1 and 2.

Championship and you may need a longer term team building strategy...but then the life expectancy of managers at 18 months perhaps not?

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