Sky Blue Pete
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Oops sorry guys
The majority still seem to think Boris and his government are doing well.
Agreed, I honestly can’t work it out but in the eyes of many ‘whatever they do, they can do no wrong’Then they should be in the same lunatic asylum as the government, it’s been a total fiasco from the start.
Of course but it does form a line of defence so even if someone gets it after having the first shot then they shouldn’t get it as severe as without one.Not to put a downer on anything but the single vaccine strategy being pursued is high stakes
Single Covid vaccine dose in Israel 'less effective than we thought' | Israel | The Guardian
Surge in infections dampens optimism over country’s advanced immunisation programmeamp.theguardian.com
Lockdown necessary for a long time yet
Not to put a downer on anything but the single vaccine strategy being pursued is high stakes
Single Covid vaccine dose in Israel 'less effective than we thought' | Israel | The Guardian
Surge in infections dampens optimism over country’s advanced immunisation programmeamp.theguardian.com
Lockdown necessary for a long time yet
No other country is giving the 2nd shot 3 months later and tests haven’t been done to show whether it’s effective.Of course but it does form a line of defence so even if someone gets it after having the first shot then they shouldn’t get it as severe as without one.
They are also still administering the second shots aren’t they? But just delaying them till 12 weeks after the first.
We are only in trouble if the booster jab is negated by an extended gap since the prime one. What’s clearer than ever is that we are in a race to get double vaccinations finished
No other country is giving the 2nd shot 3 months later and tests haven’t been done to show whether it’s effective.
Fingers crossed they can bring more vaccination centres online before we get to the second doses.There's going to be a massive drop off in the rates of first time vaccinations when the second vaccinations are due.
The rate has already starting to drop off in the last few days. Hopefully they can overcome these issues.
There's going to be a massive drop off in the rates of first time vaccinations when the second vaccinations are due.
The rate has already starting to drop off in the last few days. Hopefully they can overcome these issues.
What’s the percentage of Biotech vaccines being done in the UK?Most other countries have hardly given a first shot yet to many - the biotech supposedly gives 90% on injection 1 doesn’t it?
Calculated risk. This is about saving livesWhat’s the percentage of Biotech vaccines being done in the UK?
Just because a lot of other countries haven’t done the first shot is irrelevant - ultimately they’re taking a risk with it.
We're the live trial then?Most other countries have hardly given a first shot yet to many - the biotech supposedly gives 90% on injection 1 doesn’t it?
What’s the percentage of Biotech vaccines being done in the UK?
Just because a lot of other countries haven’t done the first shot is irrelevant - ultimately they’re taking a risk with it.
Ok but it’s essentially a trial/study on the population. My concern is also the government’s track record in general is abysmal.Calculated risk. This is about saving lives
I agree, it makes me very nervous. It does actually seem driven by the medical advisors however, so ultimately have to trust them.Ok but it’s essentially a trial/study on the population. My concern is also the government’s track record in general is abysmal.
Fingers crossed they can bring more vaccination centres online before we get to the second doses.
My doctors are getting through 800 - 900 people a day and are already onto the over 70s group which they're booking in for this Friday and Saturday. No idea what the numbers are for each group but there's another 8 or 9 weeks before they'll need to be doing large numbers of second doses based on the 12 week gap.
Could they maybe get the rest of the first doeses for the top 9 priority groups done in that time or am I being wildly optimistic? Maybe someone actually thought it through and that's why it was changed to 12 weeks.
Hopefully we have the improved staffing and infrastructure by that point to be able to absorb both.
I agree, it makes me very nervous. It does actually seem driven by the medical advisors however, so ultimately have to trust them.
There is of course a risk, and ultimately the point of vaccinations is to damp down the risk of Covid, not to eliminate it. To diverge from the trials is... brave, however.There’s a risk to everything - a very small number of people have died taking the biotech vaccine
I think that’s fair enough. A lot of this is not political, I know the government will make it political but fundamentally we are good at using science to improve public health in the ukOk but it’s essentially a trial/study on the population. My concern is also the government’s track record on this.
Reading between the lines of Patels interview this morning (Another car crash) supply is the issue
Again, tbh I have no real problem if things move (relatively) slowly, as long as they're done right. Would rather no corners cut, tbh so, if supply is the issue, then so be it.Yeah I thought the same, what doesnt quite stack up is that there was apparently 20m doses in the UK last week. As BSB indicates though, maybe they are having to save back a large proportion of those for second doses (especially for those that have had AZ jab, which from memory has a lower first dose efficacy - I think !)
This isn't Johnson and Hancock just plucking an idea from thin air. Every scientist I've seen talk about this, has said it's the way to go. Like Brighton said, give more people a certain amount of protection, rather than less people more protection.Ok but it’s essentially a trial/study on the population. My concern is also the government’s track record in general is abysmal.
Again, tbh I have no real problem if things move (relatively) slowly, as long as they're done right. Would rather no corners cut, tbh so, if supply is the issue, then so be it.
Imagine being the person in 12 weeks who's told they have no second dose for you, after all!
If it works out for the best then it’ll be excellent, it’s going to mean extended lockdowns though and the right messaging to ensure that people don’t get the first short and then go and start mixing with others. My concern is the government’s incompetence so far.This isn't Johnson and Hancock just plucking an idea from thin air. Every scientist I've seen talk about this, has said it's the way to go. Like Brighton said, give more people a certain amount of protection, rather than less people more protection.
Father in law had his first jab and has been given a date for his second, around 10 weeks after his first. I presume everyone has been issued a second appointment.
For my wife it has been a massive comfort to know her dad has at least had the first jab and is more protected than before.
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it’s going to mean extended lockdowns though and the right messaging to ensure that people don’t get the first short and then go and start mixing with others.
Might be why we’ve gone for the first one for lots of people if there’s a supply issueThere is of course a risk, and ultimately the point of vaccinations is to damp down the risk of Covid, not to eliminate it. To diverge from the trials is... brave, however.
Ultimately we've no way of seeing if it's the right choice or not until later, but it's taking a risk with a risk.
If it works out for the best then it’ll be excellent, it’s going to mean extended lockdowns though and the right messaging to ensure that people don’t get the first short and then go and start mixing with others. My concern is the government’s incompetence so far.
Most normal people understand delivering a vaccine to the population won't happen quickly, anyway. We can look at the issues they had with the flu vaccine last autumn to see that... and frankly we're doing better with this one, than we did then.Honesty is the best policy with things like this, if things are slowing down just be open about the reasons. It’s a bigger weakness for them to continue pretending it’s all fine if it’s not.
We just have to hope people turn up for the second jab and also don’t think they are indestructible after having the first.
Researchers warn of another Covid spike if people mix after vaccine
Behavioural psychologist says many people mistakenly think they are safe as soon as they receive jabwww.theguardian.com
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