Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (110 Viewers)

Deleted member 5849 · Jul 17, 2021

CCFCSteve said:
Yeah, not saying death but to date all I’ve seen is the risk of the impact of covid for kids is less than the risk of kids having the vaccine. Might change but I think that’s the current view here

The logic all through this has been, really, the only reason some of this board would be vaccinated would be to reduce transmission, and therefore also risk to other people.

tbf, I'd feel a bit uncomfortable vaccinating children if vaccine takeup was good, which it has been. But, if you want to reduce transmission and suppress it as much as possible, that's why.

What we do need to do, though, is keep a strong eye on what the longer term effects of Covid on children are, of course.

Sick Boy · Jul 17, 2021

Grendel said:
Mmmmm they said no vaccines for over 60 did a u turn, it’s quasi effective which made an already sceptical continent worse and did a I turn, engaged in vaccine wars with suppliers and did a turn and no offence but the what Steve is saying is the vaccine risk statistically is more than having long term Covid effects - no one even denies that

The USA is vaccinating children and hasn’t even approved AZ, yet you have never mentioned this…it’s almost like it’s political

Grendel · Jul 17, 2021

Deleted member 5849 said:
The logic all through this has been, really, the only reason some of this board would be vaccinated would be to reduce transmission, and therefore also risk to other people.

tbf, I'd feel a bit uncomfortable vaccinating children if vaccine takeup was good, which it has been. But, if you want to reduce transmission and suppress it as much as possible, that's why.

What we do need to do, though, is keep a strong eye on what the longer term effects of Covid on children are, of course.

You have to cynically think though the Eu machine is vaccinating children due to lower uptake amongst vulnerable age groups. I don’t really see it as a viable aftertaste boosters will also be needed to keep it effective

CCFCSteve · Jul 17, 2021

Deleted member 5849 said:
The logic all through this has been, really, the only reason some of this board would be vaccinated would be to reduce transmission, and therefore also risk to other people.

tbf, I'd feel a bit uncomfortable vaccinating children if vaccine takeup was good, which it has been. But, if you want to reduce transmission and suppress it as much as possible, that's why.

What we do need to do, though, is keep a strong eye on what the longer term effects of Covid on children are, of course.

Yeah, it’s such a fine balance between personal benefit and greater good. My point was that I don’t think countries are currently giving vaccines to kids to protect them, which doesn’t sit comfortably with me. As I’ve said I’d personally rather risk getting covid (after being jabbed) than make kids have a vaccine when it doesn’t appear to necessarily be of benefit to them

Appreciate everyone’s different though and it might well be that in time the benefit of the vaccine for kids outweighs the risks, I just don’t think we’re there yet

skybluetony176 · Jul 17, 2021

Deleted member 5849 said:
The logic all through this has been, really, the only reason some of this board would be vaccinated would be to reduce transmission, and therefore also risk to other people.

tbf, I'd feel a bit uncomfortable vaccinating children if vaccine takeup was good, which it has been. But, if you want to reduce transmission and suppress it as much as possible, that's why.

What we do need to do, though, is keep a strong eye on what the longer term effects of Covid on children are, of course.

It needs almost 100% take up of over 18 year olds to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity though. Thanks to anti-vaxers and those who just can’t be arsed because I’m alright Jack vaccinating under 18’s might be the only way to achieve herd immunity.

shmmeee · Jul 17, 2021

FULL LOCKDOWN NOW!!

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Jul 17, 2021

So, I just arrived in Amsterdam last night. I spent a couple of days in Barcelona and then took a train to Paris, switched and took another train to Amsterdam via Brussels.

Despite crossing three borders, not only was my passport and travel documentation not checked at any point, but my covid paperwork and negative test certificate weren't either.

I just crossed halfway through Europe completely unchecked.

Sick Boy · Jul 17, 2021

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
So, I just arrived in Amsterdam last night. I spent a couple of days in Barcelona and then took a train to Paris, switched and took another train to Amsterdam via Brussels.

Despite crossing three borders, not only was my passport and travel documentation not checked at any point, but my covid paperwork and negative test certificate weren't either.

I just crossed halfway through Europe completely unchecked.

You’re in the Schengen area, what did were you expecting?

skybluetony176 · Jul 17, 2021

shmmeee said:
FULL LOCKDOWN NOW!!

You joke but the people making the decisions are mostly men with bigger egos than manhood so…

COV · Jul 17, 2021

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
So, I just arrived in Amsterdam last night. I spent a couple of days in Barcelona and then took a train to Paris, switched and took another train to Amsterdam via Brussels.

Despite crossing three borders, not only was my passport and travel documentation not checked at any point, but my covid paperwork and negative test certificate weren't either.

I just crossed halfway through Europe completely unchecked.

Those countries are in the European travel area, of course you weren’t checked?

You make it sound like you’re Kate Adie heading into a rubble-strewn warzone

covmark · Jul 17, 2021

skybluetony176 said:
It needs almost 100% take up of over 18 year olds to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity though. Thanks to anti-vaxers and those who just can’t be arsed because I’m alright Jack vaccinating under 18’s might be the only way to achieve herd immunity.

Not sure you're correct here. Surely you're not taking into account the fact that the unvaccinated that have had covid, have a certain level of immunity. There's no way we'd need 100% of vaccination take up in over 18s to achieve herd immunity.

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shmmeee · Jul 17, 2021

Do we know anything about reinfection rates? How long are people immune after infection vs vaccination and can they pass it on?

COV · Jul 17, 2021

shmmeee said:
Do we know anything about reinfection rates? How long are people immune after infection vs vaccination and can they pass it on?

Yep, if I find out I’ll pass it on m8

hill83 · Jul 17, 2021

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
So, I just arrived in Amsterdam last night. I spent a couple of days in Barcelona and then took a train to Paris, switched and took another train to Amsterdam via Brussels.

Despite crossing three borders, not only was my passport and travel documentation not checked at any point, but my covid paperwork and negative test certificate weren't either.

I just crossed halfway through Europe completely unchecked.

And nowhere would accept your francs or guilders either

skybluetony176 · Jul 17, 2021

covmark said:
Not sure you're correct here. Surely you're not taking into account the fact that the unvaccinated that have had covid, have a certain level of immunity. There's no way we'd need 100% of vaccination take up in over 18s to achieve herd immunity.

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From a vaccination point of view we do. The predictions are 70-76% of the entire population to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity, just over 21% of the population is under 18. That’s a real narrow window of people either unvaccinated or without anti bodies. Most people who catch Covid only hold onto the antibodies for 5-7 months after also so it is nowhere near as effective as the vaccine plus they then still need a vaccine anyway. The I’ve had it so I’m immune card is also overplayed. Anyone who hasn’t had it this year and has not been vaccinated are probably as susceptible to catching it again as anyone who hasn’t had it ever and not been vaccinated. Then there’s the issue of new variants. The flu vaccine for example changes every year due to the nature of viruses, we’ve already seen numerous variants of covid 19, the latest of which has downgraded the effectiveness of current vaccines. We’ll be getting boosters most years if not every year moving forward based on the latest variants much as we do with the flu vaccine, coupled with the bodies ability to hold onto the antibodies from the current vaccines.

wingy · Jul 17, 2021

Regards the quasi effective argument there are article's questioning the antibody levels of the older generation .
Re kid's without being alarmist barely anyone seems to take into account the potential of a mutation that does become life threatening to them.
Rather a blind spot in the equation I think.

SBT · Jul 17, 2021

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
So, I just arrived in Amsterdam last night. I spent a couple of days in Barcelona and then took a train to Paris, switched and took another train to Amsterdam via Brussels.

Despite crossing three borders, not only was my passport and travel documentation not checked at any point, but my covid paperwork and negative test certificate weren't either.

I just crossed halfway through Europe completely unchecked.

Post of the month right here

wingy · Jul 17, 2021

shmmeee said:
Do we know anything about reinfection rates? How long are people immune after infection vs vaccination and can they pass it on?

This would be desirable, I know the figures out of Israel were impressive.

skybluetony176 · Jul 17, 2021

wingy said:
Regards the quasi effective argument there are article's questioning the antibody levels of the older generation .
Re kid's without being alarmist barely anyone seems to take into account the potential of a mutation that does become life threatening to them.
Rather a blind spot in the equation I think.

Already seeing it in the younger generations with the delta variant.

Deleted member 5849 · Jul 17, 2021

Didn't realise the new Health Secretary was putting himself forward as a trial.

COVID-19: Ministers wait to learn if they face quarantine after Sajid Javid tests positive for coronavirus

Sajid Javid's positive lateral flow test result has been confirmed by a PCR test - suggesting Boris Johnson and other senior cabinet colleagues may also have to self-isolate.

news.sky.com

LastGarrison · Jul 17, 2021

I know we’ll never know but I do wonder how many people have been asymptotic and have never known that they have had it.

Is there a discussion about antibody testing the U18’s?

Sky Blue Pete · Jul 17, 2021

Skybluefaz · Jul 17, 2021

Little girls bubble has a positive case. Ruined the end of year 2 for her. Absolutely fed up of it ruining stuff for kids.

Skybluefaz · Jul 17, 2021

baldy said:
Chris Whitty,that bundle of joy who‘s not even been elected by anybody,coming out & saying England to be locked down again potentially in 5 weeks - why? Death rates are flatlined…wouldn’t surprise me at all if Boris u-turns before Monday….View attachment 21003

Course he's not elected you fucking roaster. He's doing his job.

skybluetony176 · Jul 17, 2021

Skybluefaz said:
Little girls bubble has a positive case. Ruined the end of year 2 for her. Absolutely fed up of it ruining stuff for kids.

Had this argument with a mate. He was expecting me to go to the pub to watch the football. When I said no he said what’s the issue, you’ve had both your jabs. I pointed out that the problem is not everyone in the pub has and I can still get it, if I get it my kids miss more school as they will have to self isolate too. Both his kids have left school and he hasn’t even considered that angle.

Ian1779 · Jul 17, 2021

Deleted member 5849 said:
Didn't realise the new Health Secretary was putting himself forward as a trial.

COVID-19: Ministers wait to learn if they face quarantine after Sajid Javid tests positive for coronavirus

Sajid Javid's positive lateral flow test result has been confirmed by a PCR test - suggesting Boris Johnson and other senior cabinet colleagues may also have to self-isolate.

news.sky.com

No irony in him self-isolating on ‘Freedom Day’ at all…

Skybluefaz · Jul 17, 2021

skybluetony176 said:
Had this argument with a mate. He was expecting me to go to the pub to watch the football. When I said no he said what’s the issue, you’ve had both your jabs. I pointed out that the problem is not everyone in the pub has and I can still get it, if I get it my kids miss more school as they will have to self isolate too. Both his kids have left school and he hasn’t even considered that angle.

She loves school and seeing her friends there. That's her done until September now. Just a shitter for them.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Jul 17, 2021

Sick Boy said:
You’re in the Schengen area, what did were you expecting?

hill83 said:
And nowhere would accept your francs or guilders either

SBT said:
Post of the month right here

COV said:
Those countries are in the European travel area, of course you weren’t checked?

You make it sound like you’re Kate Adie heading into a rubble-strewn warzone

Too many of you trying to be too clever.

The point is not whether it is a 'common travel area'. There is a pandemic on and there are rules between the different countries. These include mandatory negative tests and quarantine otherwise you will get refused entry.

The fact you can willy nilly get away without having to follow any procedures is not really very good.

shmmeee · Jul 17, 2021

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Too many of you trying to be too clever.

The point is not whether it is a 'common travel area'. There is a pandemic on and there are rules between the different countries. These include mandatory negative tests and quarantine otherwise you will get refused entry.

The fact you can willy nilly get away without having to follow any procedures is not really very good.

Do you expect them to erect borders?

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Jul 17, 2021

shmmeee said:
Do you expect them to erect borders?

It doesn't matter what I do or do not expect. It's funny that people are trying to lecture me on travel. I speak 5 languages, have lived in 3 different countries, and travel regularly. I just made the point that it is easy to break the rules on the continent if you wanted to. Considering that some were concerned they couldn't travel to see family members for a long time, I'm surprised that my post attracted people trying to point score rather than certain interest about how things are currently enforced.

Deleted member 5849 · Jul 17, 2021

LNER said:
Hi Northern Wisdom,

As you may be aware, following the UK government’s recent announcement, guidance for England on social distancing and the wearing of face coverings will be changing from 19 July. We’re getting in touch to let you know what this means for your journeys with us and how it affects the measures we currently have in place.

Social distancing

As UK government guidance for England on social distancing is changing, you may be seated next to another passenger when travelling after 19 July. If you booked a ticket before 13 July, for travel with LNER from 19 July onwards, we’re keeping your seat socially distanced. However, customers with flexible tickets may take seats around yours if there is limited space onboard.

*Whilst social distancing guidance remains in place in Scotland, we have reached an agreement with Transport Scotland that LNER will operate under English guidance. This will ensure a consistent experience for customers on our cross-border services. However, face coverings remain mandatory in Scotland for the time being.

Face coverings

From 19 July, please continue to wear a face covering on our trains, in our stations and our Travel Centres. Thank you for being considerate of other customers and our colleagues. We understand if you are unable to wear a face covering due to medical reasons.

If you're travelling in Scotland, please note it is still a legal requirement to wear a face covering, unless exempt.

Seat reservations

We highly recommend that you reserve a seat to travel on an LNER service. Most seats on our trains require a reservation. Reserving a seat is quick and simple and can be done up to five minutes before departure on our website or on the LNER app. There will be a number of unreserved seats in the Standard and First Class areas of each of our trains.

Enhanced cleaning

We are continuing with increased cleaning on our trains and in our stations. To help protect others, you can do your part by regularly washing your hands. We have toilets available at stations and onboard to help with this.

You can find out more on the UK government’s latest announcement and what that means when travelling with LNER here.

We look forward to welcoming you back onboard.

Seems train companies can waive Scottish guidance on social distance too...

Sick Boy · Jul 17, 2021

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Too many of you trying to be too clever.

The point is not whether it is a 'common travel area'. There is a pandemic on and there are rules between the different countries. These include mandatory negative tests and quarantine otherwise you will get refused entry.

The fact you can willy nilly get away without having to follow any procedures is not really very good.

What restrictions are in place between the countries you were travelling within?

Deleted member 5849 · Jul 17, 2021

CCFCSteve said:
Yeah, it’s such a fine balance between personal benefit and greater good. My point was that I don’t think countries are currently giving vaccines to kids to protect them, which doesn’t sit comfortably with me. As I’ve said I’d personally rather risk getting covid (after being jabbed) than make kids have a vaccine when it doesn’t appear to necessarily be of benefit to them

Appreciate everyone’s different though and it might well be that in time the benefit of the vaccine for kids outweighs the risks, I just don’t think we’re there yet

As an aside, this lot seem to think adolescents should be vaccinated.

Mass infection is not an option: we must do more to protect our young

As the third wave of the pandemic takes hold across England, the UK Government plans to further re-open the nation. Implicit in this decision is the acceptance that infections will surge, but that this does not matter because vaccines have “broken the link between infection and mortality”.1 On...

www.thelancet.com

Grendel · Jul 17, 2021

Sky Blue Pete said:
View attachment 21007

What is the point of this?

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Jul 17, 2021

Sick Boy said:
What restrictions are in place between the countries you were travelling within?

'Non-vaccinated travellers arriving from Spain, Portugal, Cyprus, the Netherlands and Greece must present upon boarding a negative PCR or antigenic test taken less than 24 hours before departure.'

Those are the rules for the first border crossing I did yesterday. It wasn't enforced.

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