Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (176 Viewers)

Saddlebrains · Sep 28, 2021

Didnt think this would still be going. As it is, question.

Anyone eligible for jab 3, are you doing it?

As it stands for me, i wont. On the basis of

A) Its the same jab I've had 2 of. If it was this modified jab to protect more from the delta variant then maybe, but why do i need 3 of the same jab within 9 months? If I'm not protected enough by 2 then you've got to ask really whats the fucking point surely?

B) strangely, i know of 3 people who have been double jabbed and have recently been ill as fuck with COVID,not hospitalised but bedridden for a week. Yet the other 2 i know who caught it that hadnt been jabbed, had nothing more than a sniffle and snore throat for 2 or 3 days.

Im snookered as to what apparent benefit there is. Am i a moron?

hill83 · Sep 28, 2021

For me once I've had 2 I always fancy a couple more, so I'll be having the 3rd jab for certain.

Saddlebrains · Sep 28, 2021

hill83 said:
For me once I've had 2 I always fancy a couple more, so I'll be having the 3rd jab for certain.

Same go for wanks?

hill83 · Sep 28, 2021

Joking aside though it's luck of the draw how badly catching it affects you, and everything points towards getting jabbed increases that luck. So if they say get a third, might as well get a third.

Grendel · Sep 28, 2021

Saddlebrains said:
Didnt think this would still be going. As it is, question.

Anyone eligible for jab 3, are you doing it?

As it stands for me, i wont. On the basis of

A) Its the same jab I've had 2 of. If it was this modified jab to protect more from the delta variant then maybe, but why do i need 3 of the same jab within 9 months? If I'm not protected enough by 2 then you've got to ask really whats the fucking point surely?

B) strangely, i know of 3 people who have been double jabbed and have recently been ill as fuck with COVID,not hospitalised but bedridden for a week. Yet the other 2 i know who caught it that hadnt been jabbed, had nothing more than a sniffle and snore throat for 2 or 3 days.

Im snookered as to what apparent benefit there is. Am i a moron?

I will have a booster jab without question

Sky Blue Pete · Sep 28, 2021

Saddlebrains said:
Didnt think this would still be going. As it is, question.

Anyone eligible for jab 3, are you doing it?

As it stands for me, i wont. On the basis of

A) Its the same jab I've had 2 of. If it was this modified jab to protect more from the delta variant then maybe, but why do i need 3 of the same jab within 9 months? If I'm not protected enough by 2 then you've got to ask really whats the fucking point surely?

B) strangely, i know of 3 people who have been double jabbed and have recently been ill as fuck with COVID,not hospitalised but bedridden for a week. Yet the other 2 i know who caught it that hadnt been jabbed, had nothing more than a sniffle and snore throat for 2 or 3 days.

Im snookered as to what apparent benefit there is. Am i a moron?

Absolutely not!!! It’s called something in science where your personal experience is outside of the facts presented more widely. That’s not moronic. A moron decides based on 4 examples to ignore the facts and posts moronic posts claiming those public health experts who live their lives to improve public health have an ulterior motive

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 28, 2021

Saddlebrains said:
but why do i need 3 of the same jab within 9 months?

It's to top up your immune system. The vaccine will naturally wane in its effectiveness. That won't be instant, so if you don't hit up a third jab straight away, it won't be much of an issue, but there will be a time when it doesn't really have any effect.

Much like the flu jab, that's administered annually.

wingy · Sep 28, 2021

Deleted member 5849 said:
It's to top up your immune system. The vaccine will naturally wane in its effectiveness. That won't be instant, so if you don't hit up a third jab straight away, it won't be much of an issue, but there will be a time when it doesn't really have any effect.

Much like the flu jab, that's administered annually.

Yet the scientific who developed AZ and Pascal Soirot said that they thought it unnecessary after the antibody study.
Think there is some data suggesting mixing AZ and Pfizer.

skybluetony176 · Sep 28, 2021

Saddlebrains said:
Didnt think this would still be going. As it is, question.

Anyone eligible for jab 3, are you doing it?

As it stands for me, i wont. On the basis of

A) Its the same jab I've had 2 of. If it was this modified jab to protect more from the delta variant then maybe, but why do i need 3 of the same jab within 9 months? If I'm not protected enough by 2 then you've got to ask really whats the fucking point surely?

B) strangely, i know of 3 people who have been double jabbed and have recently been ill as fuck with COVID,not hospitalised but bedridden for a week. Yet the other 2 i know who caught it that hadnt been jabbed, had nothing more than a sniffle and snore throat for 2 or 3 days.

Im snookered as to what apparent benefit there is. Am i a moron?

I thought the booster is a different jab to what you had the first time? All the vaccines work slightly different from each other so it’s not just increasing the quantity of what you already have in your armoury it’s about increasing the amount of tools in your armoury.

I think we all know people who have caught it after being vaccinated, I actually know someone who just caught it for the second time having caught it right at the start and have since been double jabbed. Shit happens and like all vaccines none of them have guaranteed 100% efficacy and some people’s immune systems don’t hold on the cells from the vaccine as well as others. The latter being reason enough to get the booster.

There’s also the seatbelt analogy. Just because people are getting injured or killed while wearing a seatbelt in a car crash it doesn’t mean seatbelts don’t work. The fact is only about 10% of the population aren’t seatbelt compliant but the account for about a third of all RTA deaths. Same principle for the vaccine. The majority of the adult population is now vaccinated so it stands to reason that the majority of people catching it are vaccinated. I haven’t seen the data but I’d be willing to bet that the majority of people getting seriously ill or dying are unvaccinated.

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 28, 2021

wingy said:
Yet the scientific who developed AZ and Pascal Soirot said that they thought it unnecessary after the antibody study.
Think there is some data suggesting mixing AZ and Pfizer.

Well... AZ's position was they wanted to hold off, to gather data as to when and if, exactly, a booster would be needed, as we don't have any data on that as it hasn't been tested in the real world.

It's not unreasonable, tbf. Politically, that's a tough sell however, as whenever you get the data, by definition you're late!

Saddlebrains · Sep 28, 2021

Deleted member 5849 said:
It's to top up your immune system. The vaccine will naturally wane in its effectiveness. That won't be instant, so if you don't hit up a third jab straight away, it won't be much of an issue, but there will be a time when it doesn't really have any effect.

Much like the flu jab, that's administered annually.

Fair shout. Im due the flu jab, will take that one, earliest I'd be eligible for jab 3 would be end of Nov start of Dec so spose il see the lay of the land then and how we are

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 28, 2021

Saddlebrains said:
Fair shout. Im due the flu jab, will take that one, earliest I'd be eligible for jab 3 would be end of Nov start of Dec so spose il see the lay of the land then and how we are

I'm back in the position I was June time of being in limbo land where I've enough wrong with me to concern, but not enough to be on the list for a booster. Not worried this year tbh, as *my* vaccine will take me into spring easy enough, but I'd quite like to know what their long term plan is before it becomes an issue for me

LastGarrison · Sep 28, 2021

My Old Man got a phone call today and his booster jab is booked for Saturday afternoon. He had Pfizer previously as well back in Feb.

Randomly is happy to have this but won’t have the flu jab. Which is annoying.

jimmyhillsfanclub · Sep 29, 2021

wingy said:
Yet the scientific who developed AZ and Pascal Soirot said that they thought it unnecessary after the antibody study.
Think there is some data suggesting mixing AZ and Pfizer.

See now I've had 2 x AZ, but I'll be honest....I've currently got a few reservations about getting either of the RNA type vaccines purely cos they're a new technology.....

...think I'd prefer the choice of a 3rd AZ top up if deemed necessary & when the time comes......

EDIT: I should add that if the pfizer/moderna was the only option back before I'd had any jabs, I'd be rolling my sleeve up....

fernandopartridge · Sep 30, 2021

Had a conservation with a colleague today whose daughter (age My colleague was saying that she "couldn't hug" her daughter who was upset about the +ve test and was isolating her in a spare room, with the daughter eating separately etc.

Anyone else find this reaction rather over the top?

wingy · Sep 30, 2021

fernandopartridge said:
Had a conservation with a colleague today whose daughter (age My colleague was saying that she "couldn't hug" her daughter who was upset about the +ve test and was isolating her in a spare room, with the daughter eating separately etc.

Anyone else find this reaction rather over the top?

Not especially.

chiefdave · Sep 30, 2021

fernandopartridge said:
Had a conservation with a colleague today whose daughter (age My colleague was saying that she "couldn't hug" her daughter who was upset about the +ve test and was isolating her in a spare room, with the daughter eating separately etc.

Anyone else find this reaction rather over the top?

Isn't that what you're supposed to do?

Deleted member 9744 · Sep 30, 2021

fernandopartridge said:
Had a conservation with a colleague today whose daughter (age My colleague was saying that she "couldn't hug" her daughter who was upset about the +ve test and was isolating her in a spare room, with the daughter eating separately etc.

Anyone else find this reaction rather over the top?

Not at all

fernandopartridge · Sep 30, 2021

chiefdave said:
Isn't that what you're supposed to do?

No, it isn't normal to isolate a child within your own household. There is no law that tells you to lock them away in a bedroom.

fernandopartridge · Sep 30, 2021

If one of my children was ill with covid I wouldn't lock them away in a spare room making them eat separately and treating them like a leper whilst I was fully vaccinated and a full time home worker.

Grendel · Sep 30, 2021

fernandopartridge said:
If one of my children was ill with covid I wouldn't lock them away in a spare room making them eat separately and treating them like a leper whilst I was fully vaccinated and a full time home worker.

Nor would any normal parent

Deleted member 9744 · Sep 30, 2021

fernandopartridge said:
If one of my children was ill with covid I wouldn't lock them away in a spare room making them eat separately and treating them like a leper whilst I was fully vaccinated and a full time home worker.

I thought the daughter was your age from what you had written!

Nick · Sep 30, 2021

How old is the kid?

Mine is 12 and no, I wouldn't lock her away.

fernandopartridge · Sep 30, 2021

Deleted member 9744 said:
I thought the daughter was your age from what you had written!

Not sure what happened there but it was supposed to say age <10 but somehow came out as 'My'.

shmmeee · Sep 30, 2021

My ex quarantined our 11 year old in her room. The 11 year old loved it. I wasn’t sure but I never an with my ex. Luckily I’ve not had to make the choice as whenever she’s been isolating with me I have been too.

Deleted member 5849 · Oct 1, 2021

Lockdowns not all bad news then:

Pub chain Wetherspoon reports record loss

The pub chain saw its sites closed for about 19 weeks under coronavirus-related restrictions.

www.bbc.co.uk

Deleted member 5849 · Oct 1, 2021

Meanwhile... antivirals on their way!

*This* is the path to true freedom.

jimmyhillsfanclub · Oct 1, 2021

Pills were always gonna save the world man....

1st time I did it for the hell of it, stuck it on the back of my tongue & then swallowed it...

chiefdave · Oct 1, 2021

Deleted member 5849 said:
Meanwhile... antivirals on their way!

*This* is the path to true freedom.

Read earlier in the week that there's 3 different anti-virals in trial in the US, assume this is one of them. Brilliant news if those sort of results hold up. With this sort of thing on top of vaccination we are getting to a point where this will be manageable long term.

fernandopartridge · Oct 1, 2021

Deleted member 5849 said:
Meanwhile... antivirals on their way!

*This* is the path to true freedom.

It isn't really, vaccines are. These are the path to reducing deaths but without wide vaccine coverage there is still a risk of significant burden on health systems.

Deleted member 5849 · Oct 1, 2021

fernandopartridge said:
It isn't really, vaccines are. These are the path to reducing deaths but without wide vaccine coverage there is still a risk of significant burden on health systems.

It's the path to a genuine normality and, dare I say it, treating it like flu. Vunerable get vaccinated every year, and there are drugs that mean catching Covid is far less likely to have an effect on others, and will allow for treating it as we do other viruses.

Deleted member 9744 · Oct 1, 2021

Deleted member 5849 said:
Meanwhile... antivirals on their way!

*This* is the path to true freedom.

This looks really promising

wingy · Oct 1, 2021

Meanwhile the passport effect, maybe?
I see a couple of Scottish clubs are not operating the system tomorrow.

UK Covid infection rate is one of the worst in the world, data reveals

As cases rise in the UK, new infections per 100,000 population are running far ahead of the rest of western Europe

www.standard.co.uk

Wyken Sky Blue · Oct 3, 2021

Heartbreaking, and shows that not everyone is invincible to this horrible virus!

Portsmouth girl, 15, dies of Covid on day she was due jab

Jorja Halliday, from Portsmouth, was due to have her coronavirus vaccination on the day she died.

www.bbc.com

Deleted member 5849 · Oct 4, 2021

Proper lunatics in this world.

I understand worries over vaccinating children, but spreading bullshit is not the way.

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