Scandinavia isn’t suffering from the vaccine hesitancy we do, already had a higher percentage of work from home because it has a work life balance culture and doesn’t have mask wearing hesitancy we have. Scandinavian countries were always better placed to live with it than us simply because of their culture. We need a culture change to live with it, you’ve already said you aren’t going to do that.Yes but they wont go mandatory again if yiu haven't realised countrys around the world are finally learning to just deal with it, I. E. Scandinavia aswell as many other countrys,
So would you have compulsory vaccinations?
Looks like we are failing to learn again and won't take action until it is too late.Haven't the Scandinavian countries only removed restrictions recently having got their numbers for hospitalisations and deaths down to a fraction of what ours currently are?
Living with it doesn't mean just letting the numbers continually increase and doing absolutely nothing to mitigate the increase. There seems to be this really odd lockdown or zero mitigations binary choice presented in this country when the reality is the vast majority of countries are keeping basic mitigations in place, vaccine checks and mask wearing, in an attempt to stop numbers rising.
We've got expert after expert talking about how bad its going to get this winter yet we're doing nothing. We've been down this road before and it hasn't ended well.
Boring, just man up get vaccinated and get on with your life.Denmark ended restrictions on 10th September, Norway 26th September and Sweden 29th September. Compare their numbers on those dates to 'freedom day', 19th July. They have removed their restrictions when they have things under control to a much greater extent than we did and if and when their hospitalisations and deaths rise significantly they will have to decide what, if any, measures return.
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Nobody is saying go back into lockdown, cancel weddings, not go to the pub, not visit family, games back BCD or anything like that. It is just being suggested that we bring in basic mitigations before its too late, these are things that were going to be in place on 'freedom day' until for some reason, yet to be explained afaik, they were scrapped at the last minute.
As Faz said we're literally a week on from a report saying we took action too late and ignored the experts and if we're not careful we'll do the same again.
Covid: Bring back rules amid rising cases, urge NHS chiefs
But the business secretary says it is not time for "Plan B" and he wants to avoid further lockdowns.www.bbc.co.uk
Oh fuck off you absolutely selfish Peovocative callous twat.NHS wont be struggling we will just wait and see, if you want to hide in your house you do that
NHS wont be struggling we will just wait and see, if you want to hide in your house you do that
Boring, just man up get vaccinated and get on with your life.
We've had enough of experts.Presumably you have access to more information than this guy then!
Covid: Bring back rules amid rising cases, urge NHS chiefs
But the business secretary says it is not time for "Plan B" and he wants to avoid further lockdowns.www.bbc.com
England’s top doctor has warned the health service will face an “exceptionally difficult” winter as demand pressures on the NHS add up.
Speaking to the Royal College of GPs annual conference in Liverpool today, England’s chief medical officer Chris Whitty spelled out “the tall order” facing the NHS in the coming months.
He said it was an “impossible dream” to go through winter without any Covid pressures on the NHS and he warned the country was not far off a really serious situation.
Boris Johnson should “go hard and go early” with coronavirus restrictions this winter if there is a surge in cases, the chief scientific adviser has said.
Sir Patrick Vallance said that the UK was at a “pivot” and warned that ministers would need to change course rapidly if cases rose quickly this winter.
Charlotte Summers, professor of intensive care medicine at the University of Cambridge, has told the BBC that the current situation in NHS intensive care units is “incredibly serious”.
One in five intensive care beds in the UK are currently occupied with Covid patients.
As Covid patients tend to stay in hospital for longer, Prof Summers says that “for every Covid patient that comes to join us, we can do fewer cases of elective surgery”.
Everyone loves a national covid comparison on here don't they?
Yeah....course you do....
Heres one for excess deaths.....arguably this forums accepted most accurate measure......
Tracking covid-19 excess deaths across countries
In many parts of the world, official death tolls undercount the total number of fatalitieswww.economist.com
Nobody is saying go back into lockdown, cancel weddings, not go to the pub, not visit family, games back BCD or anything like that.
It might not, but I guess the point is it's low level imposition, to potentially head off larger level imposition. And if it doesn't work, nobody's lost much by trying the low level, have they.I agree that it might be worth bringing back some of the minor protection/restriction stuff (mask wearing in certain surroundings for example). I’m just not convinced it alone will make much difference though
What the hell happened in Portugal earlier this year?!?Everyone loves a national covid comparison on here don't they?
Yeah....course you do....
Heres one for excess deaths.....arguably this forums accepted most accurate measure......
Tracking covid-19 excess deaths across countries
In many parts of the world, official death tolls undercount the total number of fatalitieswww.economist.com
Not surprised by Spain. There is no way their Covid figures have looked correct to me for a long time
Presume that's not people saying they won't get it and more the fact they haven't been offered it yet. My parents come into that category and are just waiting for the call.What’s a far bigger issue is I heard earlier that out of something like 2m of over 80s who are eligible for a booster only 1m have had the jab
Yep....and I'm not defending the Govt. here cos they're response has been shite, but it certainly puts to bed (so far) the "worse death rate in Europe/world" type statements that many on here are keen on......looking at that table, I count 13 EU nations with a worse excess death rate than UK.
I don't think we need another lockdown... yet. The trend currently suggests if we sit on our hands we're more likely to, however.I personally wouldn't advocate for another lockdown but we have to try something.
I don't think we need another lockdown... yet. The trend currently suggests if we sit on our hands we're more likely to, however.
Maybe that's wrong, but I'd rather not test it if possible.
Sounds like Covid passports for events, masks indoors and get vaccinatedBut at the moment we are going quite badly in the wrong direction and they seem to be sitting on their hands, (though maybe Javids press conference later will come up with some potential solutions).
I personally wouldn't advocate for another lockdown but we have to try something.
Oh fuck off you absolutely selfish Peovocative callous twat.
I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.
It might not, but I guess the point is it's low level imposition, to potentially head off larger level imposition. And if it doesn't work, nobody's lost much by trying the low level, have they.
What measures would be re-introdued I wonder. Surely not a full lockdown again? Happy to wear masks in public areas but disappointed if anything more if I'm being honest
If I can get double jabbed why can't others?
Its baffling why people keep talking about lockdowns, not being able to see family & friends, events being cancelled etc. All that's being spoken about is mask wearing in public, vaccine checks for venues & events and working from home where possible. The same things that are being done in countries around the world with out much in the way of problems.The government's already laid out what they'll do if more restrictions have to come in, and they're nothing close to another lockdown. Not sure why everyone's so het up on this
I guess though, that everyone has their own idea of 'low level'. If it were simply 'everyone has to mask up' I'm OK with that.
It probably also means vaccine passports - something that practically will be difficult to enforce and develops a two tier system
I could tolerate that.
We won’t do that, it makes far too much sense
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