Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (36 Viewers)

Ring Of Steel · Mar 31, 2020

Looking likely that there will be over a million cases very soon.

The way this thing spreads is incredible:

70 days taken to get from 0 to 100,000 cases
12 days taken to get from 100,001 to 200,000 cases
3 days taken to get from 200,001 to 300,000 cases
2 days taken to get from 300,001 to 400,000 cases
2 days taken to get from 400,001 to 500,000 cases
2 days taken to get from 500,001 to 600,000 cases
1 day taken to get from 600,001 to 700,000 cases

Ring Of Steel · Mar 31, 2020

Public Health England today expended testing capacity from 1 to 12 dedicated laboratories. So thats good news. Then you look at some other countries.. Germany has 174, South Korea has 96.

Its hard to not believe there may be an element of truth to this, we can't be this stupid, inept and incompetent can we?

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Mar 31, 2020

I think we'll unfortunately continue to see an upward trend for a while because we've got new cases coming in but the old ones are still ongoing (there's very few 'cured' cases in the stats although I'm sure many have been moved from ICU onto general wards etc to recuperate once out of danger).

So the workload on the staff and need for the equipment is increasing while at the same time more staff themselves are getting sick from exposure and lack of PPE.

So I expect it will take even a bit longer than expected to see the effects of the lockdown measures not just due to lag time of the infection but also because of the ongoing natures of cases and how long it takes to resolve

Johnnythespider · Mar 31, 2020

David O'Day said:
But if you'd actually watched the press briefing yesterday she clarified she meant it could 3 to 6 months before we know if the restrictions worked as they hoped.

Piss poor article that only takes half of what she said.

That may be so, i was using the article to show that things won't be back to normal in a fortnight

David O'Day · Mar 31, 2020

Johnnythespider said:
That may be so, i was using the article to show that things won't be back to normal in a fortnight

That's not the point

cc84cov · Mar 31, 2020

it’s actually embarrassing how far behind we are...but people voted for this go government and then moan NHS Ben neglected for years

Grendel · Mar 31, 2020

cc84cov said:
it’s actually embarrassing how far behind we are...but people voted for this go government and then moan NHS Ben neglected for years

How far behind what?

SkyBlueDom26 · Mar 31, 2020

Big 2 weeks ahead then before the peak! We can beat this

However, he said that if the number of infections started to drop, then in the next few weeks the "hope" was that the number of hospitalisations would also begin to fall.

He said: "The good news here is that that line is not going up very steeply but we are not out of the woods. We need to keep our foot on the pedal."

17:29

NHS England medical director Professor Stephen Powis says the next week or two will be "critical"

17:28

Gove: There are some signs we may be able to flatten spread of coronavirus, but now is not the time to relax social distancing rules

Ring Of Steel · Mar 31, 2020

cc84cov said:
it’s actually embarrassing how far behind we are...but people voted for this go government and then moan NHS Ben neglected for years

And if you point it out you get told that you hate the country and that its much worse in other countries.

Facts are facts- the way this was handled all the way through must go down as the most catastrophic mismanagement seen in the country for many decades. From being briefed in advance and ignoring, herd immunity, the multiple U turns, the farcical mishandling of communication on what to do, failing to test, failing to equip the health workers, it has been a total disgrace from the start, and its still a disgrace.

... tick, tock...

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Mar 31, 2020

cc84cov said:
it’s actually embarrassing how far behind we are...but people voted for this go government and then moan NHS Ben neglected for years

Although this isn't the time for it it does seem like Johnson/Tories once again lucked out having the election just before this blew up in their face because they've got five years for this to be done and people to forget about it before they have to be answerable for it.

Had we got an election coming up at the time of the US elections for example you do wonder if the outcome may have been different as the value of the NHS and public services is really coming into the spotlight. Even some of the more radical stuff from Labour is becoming a distinct possibility in this crisis.

But that's for later.

Sick Boy · Mar 31, 2020

This government is a shambolic disgrace, anyone who things these lot are competent is off their head.

Ring Of Steel · Mar 31, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Big 2 weeks ahead then before the peak! We can beat this

However, he said that if the number of infections started to drop, then in the next few weeks the "hope" was that the number of hospitalisations would also begin to fall.

He said: "The good news here is that that line is not going up very steeply but we are not out of the woods. We need to keep our foot on the pedal."

17:29

NHS England medical director Professor Stephen Powis says the next week or two will be "critical"

17:28

Gove: There are some signs we may be able to flatten spread of coronavirus, but now is not the time to relax social distancing rules

"The next two weeks will be critical"
Every fucking day has been critical, what is that supposed to mean?

Ring Of Steel · Mar 31, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Although this isn't the time for it it does seem like Johnson/Tories once again lucked out having the election just before this blew up in their face because they've got five years for this to be done and people to forget about it before they have to be answerable for it.

Had we got an election coming up at the time of the US elections for example you do wonder if the outcome may have been different as the value of the NHS and public services is really coming into the spotlight. Even some of the more radical stuff from Labour is becoming a distinct possibility in this crisis.

But that's for later.

There are enough apologists & spin doctors for it to have turned into how they "brought the country together and proved once and for all we are a strong independent nation that can overcome any obstacle".

For Gove to stand there and bang on about us being independent when thousands of people have died and he'd just been shown up for the lies about the procurement scheme- just shows the character of these people.

SkyBlueDom26 · Mar 31, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
"The next two weeks will be critical"
Every fucking day has been critical, what is that supposed to mean?

I guess he means in regards to sticking to the social distancing because the peak is coming and we don't want the NHS being overrun?

SkyBlueDom26 · Mar 31, 2020

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Ring Of Steel · Mar 31, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
I guess he means in regards to sticking to the social distancing because the peak is coming and we don't want the NHS being overrun?

So can you explain to me how its more critical in the next two weeks than it was in the last two weeks?

CCFCSteve · Mar 31, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
And if you point it out you get told that you hate the country and that its much worse in other countries.

Facts are facts- the way this was handled all the way through must go down as the most catastrophic mismanagement seen in the country for many decades. From being briefed in advance and ignoring, herd immunity, the multiple U turns, the farcical mishandling of communication on what to do, failing to test, failing to equip the health workers, it has been a total disgrace from the start, and its still a disgrace.

... tick, tock...

Bit of an exaggeration ROS and a bit early to make sweeping statements

I’m not saying I disagree with some of the points you make and you might end up being proved right, but we won’t know for several weeks and months how the government has handled this overall (in particular in comparison with other countries - what I mean by this is that it’s a global pandemic so a majority of countries are underprepared/may not deal with this well)

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Mar 31, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
And if you point it out you get told that you hate the country and that its much worse in other countries.

Facts are facts- the way this was handled all the way through must go down as the most catastrophic mismanagement seen in the country for many decades. From being briefed in advance and ignoring, herd immunity, the multiple U turns, the farcical mishandling of communication on what to do, failing to test, failing to equip the health workers, it has been a total disgrace from the start, and its still a disgrace.

... tick, tock...

It's too early to see how our measures will stack up against other countries and even then they will be difficult to compare due to differing population densities, cultural differences in lifestyle etc.

There are questions to be answered. The communication was poor and not assertive enough. The information released on ventilators and equipment that has since been questioned with conflicting remarks suggesting the whole truth is not being told. Why were the warnings over years ignored that led to this lack of preparation? Why are we not testing as much as others when that is the only surefire method of accuracy we have?

Even then we'll never know if anyone else would've dealt with this crisis any better in the situation we found ourselves in.

cc84cov · Mar 31, 2020

Grendel said:
How far behind what?

Others countries in regards to testing basic PPE etc there is no excuse for it we haven’t made the NHS a priority for years now look.

cc84cov · Mar 31, 2020

Sick Boy said:
This government is a shambolic disgrace, anyone who things these lot are competent is off their head.

They need removing

fernandopartridge · Mar 31, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
Public Health England today expended testing capacity from 1 to 12 dedicated laboratories. So thats good news. Then you look at some other countries.. Germany has 174, South Korea has 96.

Its hard to not believe there may be an element of truth to this, we can't be this stupid, inept and incompetent can we?

TBF the NHS in England has moved towards having hub labs a few years ago, we used to have many more but it was seen as inefficient having pathology services on different hospital sites with different levels of capability, so a lot of them have merged into regional pathology services. Geographically this country is much much smaller than Germany as well.

The coventrian · Mar 31, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
And if you point it out you get told that you hate the country and that its much worse in other countries.

Facts are facts- the way this was handled all the way through must go down as the most catastrophic mismanagement seen in the country for many decades. From being briefed in advance and ignoring, herd immunity, the multiple U turns, the farcical mishandling of communication on what to do, failing to test, failing to equip the health workers, it has been a total disgrace from the start, and its still a disgrace.

... tick, tock...

False outrage as usual. I get the feeling you're actually enjoying this.

Ring Of Steel · Mar 31, 2020

CCFCSteve said:
Bit of an exaggeration ROS and a bit early to make sweeping statements

I’m not saying I disagree with some of the points you make and you might end up being proved right, but we won’t know for several weeks and months how the government has handled this overall (in particular in comparison with other countries)

Yes the stock response- "its not the right time to talk about this now."

The coventrian · Mar 31, 2020

Sick Boy said:
This government is a shambolic disgrace, anyone who things these lot are competent is off their head.

This government? You dont even live here. It just fits your agenda.

skybluetony176 · Mar 31, 2020

Sick Boy said:
This government is a shambolic disgrace, anyone who things these lot are competent is off their head.

Would you rather live in Italy? Oh wait...

The coventrian · Mar 31, 2020

cc84cov said:
They need removing

What's the alternative? The loony left labour party? Fucking hell yes the Tories arent the best Corbyn and co would be a fucking disaster.

shmmeee · Mar 31, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
Yep, what's going to do for me is the heart attack from worrying about it if I'm not careful (decided not to check this thread, foolishly broke it, relieved to at least have your post as the one it sent me to first! I can deal in reality, not in fear, panic and worry)

Hows this? Apparently your risk from dying from CV is the same as your risk from dying anyway over the next year. So you should be no more worried about CV than you would’ve been doing your normal life over the next year.

David O'Day · Mar 31, 2020

The coventrian said:
What's the alternative? The loony left labour party? Fucking hell yes the Tories arent the best Corbyn and co would be a fucking disaster.

Kier Starmer is going to be leader in about a week.

Also how would the person who was right about the need for properly equipped and funded public services be a disaster?

cc84cov · Mar 31, 2020

The coventrian said:
What's the alternative? The loony left labour party? Fucking hell yes the Tories arent the best Corbyn and co would be a fucking disaster.

The NHS is struggling as for years Tories have not now made it a priority I’m not shocked it’s on it’s knees with 10 years of tories

CCFCSteve · Mar 31, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
Yes the stock response- "its not the right time to talk about this now."

No, you can talk about it when you want and in particular raise the issues that are live now (PPE or if we were breaching ICU/ventilator capacity etc) but I’m just saying you can’t make sweeping statements on the governments overall performance when we don’t know the outcome. As I say you may be right but you also might be wrong, only time will tell

Sick Boy · Mar 31, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
Would you rather live in Italy? Oh wait...

Having seen the blue lagoon in Buxton, I must admit that I am jealous.

Sick Boy · Mar 31, 2020

The coventrian said:
This government? You dont even live here. It just fits your agenda.

Point proven, thanks.

shmmeee · Mar 31, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
Looking likely that there will be over a million cases very soon.

The way this thing spreads is incredible:

70 days taken to get from 0 to 100,000 cases
12 days taken to get from 100,001 to 200,000 cases
3 days taken to get from 200,001 to 300,000 cases
2 days taken to get from 300,001 to 400,000 cases
2 days taken to get from 400,001 to 500,000 cases
2 days taken to get from 500,001 to 600,000 cases
1 day taken to get from 600,001 to 700,000 cases

That’s exponential growth.

Question: I want you to mow my lawn every day for the next 31 days. Would you rather have £1m up front, or 1p today and I double it for the next 31 days (2p on day 2, 4p on day 3, etc)?

You might be surprised that you’d earn twenty times as much with the latter method.

Ring Of Steel · Mar 31, 2020

The coventrian said:
What's the alternative? The loony left labour party? Fucking hell yes the Tories arent the best Corbyn and co would be a fucking disaster.

Ah, I see you've chosen answer 2 from the repertoire of stock responses.

1. "Its not the right time to talk about it"
2. "Labour would have been worse"
3. "Would you rather live in Italy"
4. "Its all down to the Chinese immigrants"

I'm sure you're about to stun me with an eloquent response now...

skybluetony176 · Mar 31, 2020

The coventrian said:
What's the alternative? The loony left labour party? Fucking hell yes the Tories arent the best Corbyn and co would be a fucking disaster.

I hate to be the one to break it to you but Corbyn is about to be replaced. There is no Corbyn and Co, they’re an ex shadow government, they’ve expired, they are no more.

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