Sky Blue Pete
Well-Known Member
Been having conversations with my brothers and sisters about my mum who is 79 with copd. They think she should do what she thinks best id prefer to tell her that’s not a great idea but what do I know eh
No government has across the globe has it?
Fake news Ian only 5% would ever take out such indemnity anyway
Not sure it’s a U turn Sick Boy. We knew these types of measures were going to come in, it was just when and to what extent. Every country is updating and ramping up their responses (pretty much on a daily basis) dependent on their own data, requirements etc
What I was shocked at is the encouragement to avoid any unnecessary social contact (avoiding bars, restaurants etc) with immediate effect. I was hoping this could be avoided with the exception of elderly and those with pre- existing conditions. The impact of this is huge !
Didn’t we used to be a world leader in innovation? Sounds pretty innovative to me.
If not that approach... I think the approach of Italy and France to suspend all utility bills and mortgages is a good alternative.
It was always going to come, the data was telling us clearly we were on the same track as other European countries.
I wish there was more transparency around what the trigger points for adding and removing certain measures were. It’s not like there’s an enemy watching and we’re all adults. You could tell from the press questions after the briefing that people want some idea to help plan and support and the government don’t seem to want to commit. I get that historically or in a localised issue, but we can all see and hear in real time the situation around the world and frankly it’s getting a little patronising that they seem to be letting people believe we might not have to do similar measures.
I expect school closures for children of non-essential staff like the Netherlands have just done I think. Probably within a week. We should just say “we are waiting for the data to hit X” before we consider that, we shouldn’t need to but the history of the administration, the febrile political atmosphere around Brexit, and the fact we have allowed the narrative that we are going our own way to develop have removed that luxury. We need trust and right now that means transparency.
It was always going to come, the data was telling us clearly we were on the same track as other European countries.
I wish there was more transparency around what the trigger points for adding and removing certain measures were. It’s not like there’s an enemy watching and we’re all adults. You could tell from the press questions after the briefing that people want some idea to help plan and support and the government don’t seem to want to commit. I get that historically or in a localised issue, but we can all see and hear in real time the situation around the world and frankly it’s getting a little patronising that they seem to be letting people believe we might not have to do similar measures.
I expect school closures for children of non-essential staff like the Netherlands have just done I think. Probably within a week. We should just say “we are waiting for the data to hit X” before we consider that, we shouldn’t need to but the history of the administration, the febrile political atmosphere around Brexit, and the fact we have allowed the narrative that we are going our own way to develop have removed that luxury. We need trust and right now that means transparency.
Can’t disagree with a majority of that mate.
This could get a lot worse though and it’s a fine balance between telling people everything and managing the general population. I think it’s happened a week quicker than anticipated from what one of the science guys was saying at the press conference
Seems like it, so what data were they looking at and what made them think that we would be any different?
Great idea
But how will that work in practise, Wingy?
Seems like it, so what data were they looking at and what made them think that we would be any different?
Just like being young again.But how will that work in practise, Wingy?
Like for my dad, I would have to go with him. That then opens it up for people to cheat the system. Don't you think loads of people are going to say they have to go with their dad, or mum, or that they are their carer etc?
Good idea, but surely open to abuse.
Their data set was small, so it was prone to a higher degree of error.
“so would you rather be in Italy?”
There comes a point where you’ve got to admit it looks like a fuck up and all signs point to fuck up.
There comes a point where you’ve got to admit it looks like a fuck up and all signs point to fuck up.
“so would you rather be in Italy?”
It's almost like you want this disease to wipe out millions in order to prove a point
They were working with several hundred pieces of data. We now have over 1,500. The only mistake they made was to attempt to extrapolate from the first two points of the curve.
It's almost like you want this disease to wipe out millions in order to prove a point
“Why don’t you believe in Britain?”
“It’s almost like you want us to get a shit trade deal”
Come on mate, you’re better than that.
It's how he comes across. Like pretty much any other discussion on this site he tries to take the moral high ground and spends more time on that than substantive discussion
I wouldn’t be talking about moral high ground when you’re accusing people of “wanting millions to die”.
He was having a substantive discussion, expressing a view, and you asked a stupid, unanswerable question to try and make him look stupid & close him down. Who gave you the authority to tell him not to be worried?
Heard so many experts being highly critical of the government, Steve.Look, this is a global pandemic. Apart from full lock downs it appears that no country can properly deal with this.
The government, rightly or wrongly, has followed scientific/medical advice (backed up by modelling) and were hoping to implement a strategy that minimised/shortened the impact on people’s lives/livelihoods. The numbers have been remodelled and they know this can’t work without now causing excessive fatalities so have accelerated some of the more drastic decisions/measures.
The strategy every country is taking (which are far more dramatic across the board than they were a week ago) are probably going to cause a global recession and costs millions of jobs and that’s obviously in addition to the projected high number of fatalities from the disease.
If someone was saying, if only the government had done this, everything would be fine, then fair enough, but I can’t see anyone saying that.
Let’s hope as a country we can all pull together, take a selfless approach to the situation (like Pete’s offer earlier) and help those most in need.
Night all, it’s been a rather stressful day, we will get through this though x
Heard so many experts being highly critical of the government, Steve.
We just need to now make sure we ARE on the right path.
They won't even requisition private hospitals, they're in thrall to the market at the cost of everybodyThis is where the government need to intervene. Is the notion of an universal basic income that ludicrous in such unprecedented times?
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