Astute
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Most of us have similar thoughts on them. That is why Wasps ended up with the Ricoh. So I can't fault him for his thoughts. He agreed with the comment that Ainsworth said. So do I. It doesn't mean that I made the comment.
I'm not too sure what point you are trying to prove?
He said it, he said it was his thoughts from dealing with sisu. It came out of his mouth.
It was in reference to ba, but he changed the words and said he knew it from his dealings with them.
One of the facts was:
Yet the ethics committee said there was nothing wrong?
Surely that is black or white.
He either did declare something, or he didn't?
It isn't something that can be debated such as "was this nasty or not"?
I'm not too sure what point you are trying to prove?
He said it, he said it was his thoughts from dealing with sisu. It came out of his mouth.
It was in reference to ba, but he changed the words and said he knew it from his dealings with them.
It looks like he made money out of it until 2012. When he stopped making money out of it he stopped declaring it. And from what I can gather most councils don't need you to declare an interest if you don't benefit financially but CCC does. So it looks like he was given the benefit of the doubt. But in legal terms he did what he had to. But he should have declared again in 2012.
It hasn't been shown once. The allegation has been shown. He didn't make the comment.
Have a day off FFS
It was pointed out that BA said they must prove they are not.
Where as Mr Mutton said that's what they are.
I am saying that's not really that important. Mr Mutton was basing his comments on what BA said. I would also believe that he interpreted BA as saying that's what they are. When I read BA's comment he is saying that's what you are and I challenge you to prove you are not.
Can you explain how him saying that he thought it was justified was him actually making the comment as is being said?
I am still not sure what your point is
Chief dave was pointing out the differences between what BA said and what Mr Mutton said.
As in BA wasn't actually saying they were it, just asking them to prove there not. Whereas Mr Muttton was saying they are it.
I think BA was saying they are it and Mr Mutton believed he was repeating what BA meant. He may have para phrased it wrong. However I don't think he is lying when he says he was repeating BA's opinion.
(I also believe it was Mr Mutton's opinion)
He wasn't just quoting though was he? Which is the point being made.
He used the words, then said it is absolutely true. Which was the point of it.
Don't get me wrong I think he shares the thoughts of BA.
However to suggest he was basing his comments on what BA said just inst right.
He clearly was he just didn't paraphrase it perfectly the same. I am saying you shouldn't make s big deal about that.
He is just repeating the gist of what BA said.
He was repeating it and saying it was true. Which was the whole point that Dave was making...
Dave's comment....
(He did indeed, he said “It’s absolutely true that Sisu is a predator with greed running through its DNA”. That's not being disputed. He's now saying he was only quoting Ainsworth but he (Ainsworth) didn't actually say SISU was a predator)
My point.......
I am pointing out that I Interpret BA as insinuating that they are and challenging them to prove they are not.
As oppose to him just challenging them and Mr Mutton as the only one suggesting they are.
Dave is saying BA didn't call them that only Mr Mutton did so he wasn't quoting BA.
(Which he was he just didn't paraphrase it word for word)
Been to Barnsley, has the smokin' gun been found yet ? :claping hands:
We have big problems with this team of ours based on last nights pathetic display.
It's not the councils fault look elsewhere !!
The team we have is in freefall and is simply not good enough.
Are you listening SISU ?
Nobody has ever said our players are the councils fault or there is a smoking gun.
Our team is more than good enough for this league.
He wasn't just quoting though, he was saying it was true also followed by the words.
I am still not sure what your point is, as well as Astume saying he didn't say anything.
No it's not anymore.
The first half last night was probably the most inept performance I have seen from any team in any league.
Told to play out every time (By Mowbray ?) and every time nearly nicked by their forwards.
The loanees and those out of contract this summer are already planning for the holidays.
I meant the players we have are more than good enough.
You would think so, but at the moment they are clueless.
One tactic and that's to play it from the back.
Only trouble is we don't seem to be able to string any passes together in their half.
Plan B is to kick it up to the big guys, who at the moment are beat to the header 'every' time.
As it's stands from last night getting in the play offs is going to be tough for this team.
You really think the Rugby club were saying they could go in 50/50?
Club went into admin because ACL were going to put them into admin.
He did make the comment. Christ.
He took the original one, changed it a bit and then said absolutely it is correct.
The words came out of his mouth. He then said why he thought that.
Exactly.
That's what I don't get.
He either should of declared it or he shouldn't.
He either did declare it or he didn't.
There is no middle ground.
It must have had to be declared as it was declared shortly after the complaint went in...
The only thing I have seen is when he was asked if he agreed with it. He said he did. Not seen where he made the quote himself though.
The links been posted to the document a few times, he said it...
The document was stating the allegation. The document stated all the allegations.
The links been posted to the document a few times, he said it...
No one has produced a transcript or recording of the radio interview. Frankly I can't see on what basis the accusation constitutes evidence without a transcript, recording or the statement of a neutral witness who was present when Mutton spoke to corroborate what he actually said. From the report transcript it reads as if the CWR presenter phrased the interview question in such a way that Mutton could fall into a trap, I think that is the conclusion the investigator reached, a faux pas during a media ambush, little more than that.
There was no media ambush was there?
Didn't he admit to saying it and said because of reasons from his experience working with them?
.Councillor Mutton expressed himself on a number of occasions invery strident terms, in particular his comments on 23 April 2012that, “When the fans were chanting “SISU out” I was on my feetsinging it with them.” The complainants also highlighted CouncillorMutton’s comments on 13 March 2013 that, “it is absolutely truethat SISU [is] a predator with greed running through its DNA.”
94.I understand that these comments were made in response toquestions rather than as part of planned media releases. CouncillorMutton clearly prides himself on being a straight talking man and believes no doubt correctly that the public respect him for that. Asthe Leader of the Council he will have been expected to speak forthe people of the city on an issue which many felt passionately about as he did. These comments need to be seen in that context.
The greed comments were made under parliamentary privilege by Bob Ainsworth in parliament. The question asked of me by Shane O’Connor (on BBC Coventry and Warwickshire) was would I have made those comments outside of parliamentary privilege?
I said I didn’t know, but if I was in Bob Ainsworth’s position I would have.
“it is absolutely truethat SISU [is] a predator with greed running through its DNA
Been to Barnsley, has the smokin' gun been found yet ? :claping hands:
We have big problems with this team of ours based on last nights pathetic display.
It's not the councils fault look elsewhere !!
The team we have is in freefall and is simply not good enough.
Are you listening SISU ?
Change the record, the puns might have been inventive the first few times, but the hundreth and onwards its boring. The joke just isnt funny, and if you are as pissed off as the rest of us at our continued inept displays you would give it a rest.
Lets face it the only person whoever posts about a smoking gun is you, so are you really that small minded?
No one has produced a transcript or recording of the radio interview.
Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
You really think the Rugby club were saying they could go in 50/50?
Club went into admin because ACL were going to put them into admin.
Not sure where the above comment came from in this thread but you do realise the club themselves were threatening to do that first don't you?
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