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They have said themselves they have influence on things multiple times. He's being desperate to get away from the council having any blame for some reason
They have said themselves they have influence on things multiple times. He's being desperate to get away from the council having any blame for some reasonAh so the council DO have impact then.....
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My thoughts exactly mate doesn’t look great does it...Any ideas of what's gonna happen next?
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It's in Eastwoods interview with CWR.Just a question, Why won't wasps agree a rental deal with Sisu? Before aswering please bear in mind that Sisu aren't taking wasps to court.
But so is political hay making so why has no one from the council come out to whistleblow and take a stand. There’s clearly a constituency for it, and ultimately there’s always an opposition for anything in politics. So where is it? Why haven’t we got even one councillor making a stink about it?
I have no idea. Why would Wasps do anything they don’t want to? Especially if it’s at detriment to their bottom line as is claimed. If the council tried to blackmail them, they could just go to the courts.
No they can’t. Literally. If they don’t have a reason to reject you can appeal to the Secretary of State, especially for a project of this size.
Fine, fair point, but then owning that land can tie up funds needed to buy the *real* land. Even a hedge fund has finite resources to commit.Also land isn’t a bad investment, you aren’t likely to be out much by buying some, or even putting an outline in before you buy. We haven’t done that. In how many years now since the artists impression?
This is the Butts thing you wanted to see.1. Can of worms right there. Can we afford the Ricoh? What about Sisu saying they didn’t want it? Could Sisu be trusted? Put a pin in that for a second. I can be convinced on it but it can’t be changed now.
2. No they can’t. Literally. If they don’t have a reason to reject you can appeal to the Secretary of State, especially for a project of this size. Also land isn’t a bad investment, you aren’t likely to be out much by buying some, or even putting an outline in before you buy. We haven’t done that. In how many years now since the artists impression?
There is no new stadium dude. As much as we need one.
And you think they got the best price for us tax payers?...Because its the sensible thing to do to get the best price for the tax payer! Thats why.
What's the going rate for a piece of land at Whitely JLR are possibly pulling out from? Is that Warwick council owned?
I’m always wary of a knee jerk reaction, or gut instinct. You’re more guaranteed of a correct answer if you take your time.I think most of us did, but with very little thought. :smuggrin:
Fisher should be all over that then with his gang of experts.Not sure who the land is now owned by as it was private farmland beforehand. The Gateway North/Whitley South scheme did mention Coventry Coty Council as an interested party along with Roxhill developers (owned by Sir Peter Rigby). The land falls under Warwick District Council jurisdiction in terms of planning.
They can't. Planning can be refused for good reasons only and if the applicant doea not accept the refusal they can ultimately appeal to the secretary of state.The Coventry City Council can block planning permission for a stadium?
It’s pretty obvious that it’s not only Sisu that’s preventing this hypothetical stadium being built.
Obviously not.And you think they got the best price for us tax payers?...
They can make things very difficult can't they?They can't. Planning can be refused for good reasons only and if the applicant doea not accept the refusal they can ultimately appeal to the secretary of state.
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Should perhaps have sent chair of planning committee as an observer.Here's a crazy idea. He could have gone to both meetings.
All this irrelevant shit about Aldi. FFS. the Deflector shields are on.Looking at what aldi employees say, it suggests an average Aldi store has nowhere near 40 employees, more like 10...maybe 15 max.
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Not sure if you saw the documentary about them as employers, treat their staff like shit, make them do unpaid work, etc albeit they pay well.
What is it like to work at Aldi? Employees reveal long hours, poor work-life balance...but good pay
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Yeah they really are. Its quite funny, getting desperate now it seems.All this irrelevant shit about Aldi. FFS. the Deflector shields are on.
So for example the council wouldn't turn down an application to build a budget hotel in Binley because they wanted one at the Ricoh?My understanding of the planning procedure is that planning cannot be refused unless there is reason to do so based on the decision by the local authority. Therefore in most cases planning will be granted unless the local authority/ third party (neighbouring property ) act to thwart it. Therefore the default for planning is usually to approve.
Depends which world you’re living in, the real one or the council Deniars one.So for example the council wouldn't turn down an application to build a budget hotel in Binley because they wanted one at the Ricoh?
They probably think the Ricoh is in Binley.So for example the council wouldn't turn down an application to build a budget hotel in Binley because they wanted one at the Ricoh?
Well, let's follow Pete's suggestion of emailing him and demonstrate otherwise.
You are right, not sure why it was brought up, I only posted in response to it to put into context.All this irrelevant shit about Aldi. FFS. the Deflector shields are on.
OK, so apologies that this is dashed off, Masterchef takes priority!
Fair point, I agree. Said the other day, it's unprecedented for *everybody* to be in favour. I'#d like to know why there wasn't One. Single. Objector.
It's not about blackmail. It's about recognising what SISU didn't until too late, maybe, that you need CCC on side as they can open doors for you, and make life easier elsewhere. Much as CRFC weren't going to go against the clauses CCC wanted inserted, neither would Wasps go out on a limb. In terms of partnerships, Wasps need CCC more than CCFC, so better to keep them on board.
Well... on ther absolute level yep. But appeals take time, are expensive, distress a company while going through the legal process - we all know this ends up a distraction and expense - isn't that what the upset at SISU's court action focusses on, after all? And of course CCC can't absolutely block things, but they can help facilitate. On the margins of decisions that can go either way, it's helpful if the council is likely to approve rather than not. As we know, there's the law... and the interpretation of the law. A more lax attitude to planning, just at the margins, can help. In addition to that, there are things CCC can help with to help push things through - put provision in the local plan, agree to build access roads rather than expect CCFC to foot the bill for them, etc.
Fine, fair point, but then owning that land can tie up funds needed to buy the *real* land. Even a hedge fund has finite resources to commit.
As an aside, we're back in 2013/2014, aren't we!
You started the sodding conversation! Just because I respond doesn't mean I think there's going to be a stadium, and to think that it does means it's not me who's the fucking moron. Go and find the fucking post in the fucking SISU thread where I say the opposite!Yes we are mate.
Look if you genuinely think Sisu are desperate to build a ground and the mean old council are stopping them, I can’t help you. That’s your call. I mean for me all the evidence is that this is a massive distraction created to keep the fans arguing and not a serious plan at all, but you do you.
Similarly if you think Wasps are somehow holding out to show off to the council and not because the legal action hurts them too.
I mean I find both ridiculous positions that I’ve no evidence and about a million more likely explanations.
The council can help with planning, so can a planning consultant, have we hired one? Have we even brought it up at all before the other day? Why the hell have we hired an architect before we’ve sourced land?
I work with developers all day. I find land for house builders and care home builders and student flat builders. They spend ages doing surveys, investigating planning in that area, going through the local plan, etc before they buy somewhere so they know it’s worth buying. It’s standard to have a conversation about your plans for a site to see if it’s viable before you buy. WE HAVENT DONE THIS. STEP ONE OF BUING LAND AND WE HAVENT DONE IT IN FIVE FUCKING YEARS!!
I’m sorry. If you believe there’s a stadium at this point you’re a fucking moron. It’s sad. We need a stadium. But we aren’t getting one. Our owner thinks they can distress a public body to get a ground we can’t afford to live in. That’s where we are. That’s the master plan.
And I’m supposed to be getting angry because the local authority won’t waste yet more time in a pointless meeting that is designed for optics and time wasting and they know it.
Yes we are mate.
Look if you genuinely think Sisu are desperate to build a ground and the mean old council are stopping them, I can’t help you. That’s your call. I mean for me all the evidence is that this is a massive distraction created to keep the fans arguing and not a serious plan at all, but you do you.
Similarly if you think Wasps are somehow holding out to show off to the council and not because the legal action hurts them too.
I mean I find both ridiculous positions that I’ve no evidence and about a million more likely explanations.
The council can help with planning, so can a planning consultant, have we hired one? Have we even brought it up at all before the other day? Why the hell have we hired an architect before we’ve sourced land?
I work with developers all day. I find land for house builders and care home builders and student flat builders. They spend ages doing surveys, investigating planning in that area, going through the local plan, etc before they buy somewhere so they know it’s worth buying. It’s standard to have a conversation about your plans for a site to see if it’s viable before you buy. WE HAVENT DONE THIS. STEP ONE OF BUING LAND AND WE HAVENT DONE IT IN FIVE FUCKING YEARS!!
I’m sorry. If you believe there’s a stadium at this point you’re a fucking moron. It’s sad. We need a stadium. But we aren’t getting one. Our owner thinks they can distress a public body to get a ground we can’t afford to live in. That’s where we are. That’s the master plan.
And I’m supposed to be getting angry because the local authority won’t waste yet more time in a pointless meeting that is designed for optics and time wasting and they know it.
The Council can say that, and in fact if they want to try and block it they can with a whole host of excuses. However , any savvy developer or building consultant working on behalf of the applicant would know if the Council was deliberately trying to block planning and could go straight to the secretary of state for appeal. Remember though, however an application goes, , there is a whole rainforest of paperwork that ensues. If SISU have at any time enquired about land, for purchase and/or development, there would be a written dialogue ..that is of course unless they just phoned up with some half-baked enquiry.It must have been a dream, but I was sure CCC said on a number of occasions that they would not grant planning permission to SISU on any land in the city. In my dream, I think CCC also said they would do everything they could to stop them building a stadium anywhere. And then I woke up and read this thread. But then I still didn't know whether I had really woken up and read this thread, or whether I was still still asleep.
I'll thin I'll just have to look here first thing in the morning and see if I can find out which it was.
You are right, not sure why it was brought up, I only posted in response to it to put into context.
The bottom line is, everyone bar the council sent senior decision making officers to the meeting. That's not good enough.
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Most seem to think the stadium talk is to go into negotiations using it as a negotiation tool don't they?
What was the land company that was hired originally around the same time as the "mockups"?
Not many people are really arguing any more, there's a few who are desperate to defend the council for everything and anything but most now seem to think they should all stop fucking about and get it sorted in one way or another.
So now you are justifying the council leader not bothering to turn up? Ha
Yes we are mate.
The council can help with planning, so can a planning consultant, have we hired one? Have we even brought it up at all before the other day? Why the hell have we hired an architect before we’ve sourced land?
I work with developers all day. I find land for house builders and care home builders and student flat builders. They spend ages doing surveys, investigating planning in that area, going through the local plan, etc before they buy somewhere so they know it’s worth buying. It’s standard to have a conversation about your plans for a site to see if it’s viable before you buy. WE HAVENT DONE THIS. STEP ONE OF BUING LAND AND WE HAVENT DONE IT IN FIVE FUCKING YEARS!
So why do we talk about anyone but the fucking owners?
I can read, is that the latest standard reply?Seriously. Learn to fucking read. Ive said it’s poor optics and bad politics.
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