fernandopartridge
Well-Known Member
No. The right is separate from the lease. Hence why the council are having to use public money to pay off the charity.
No. The right is separate from the lease. Hence why the council are having to use public money to pay off the charity.That right was given up when CCFC moved out, broke the lease and liquidated I imagine. Still morally wrong though.
I imagine the answer is that Joy has stated she doesn't want to get involved. Remember, the only people who say they want the club to leave the Ricoh are the clubs owners.
It begs the question, why are you here then??
And spider_ricoh
Am I not allowed to oppose SISU and their desire to get the Ricoh? That's not childish, that's responsible.
It's not bullshit you cretin - or, if you think it is, explain why?
My view is predicated on the principle that the best outcome for the long-term revival of CCFC is for SISU to leave ASAP. And this deal makes this far more likely. Therefore worth supporting. You can't categorically prove that is bullshit - in fact, you are talking about of your arse.
Keep your worthless comments to yourself; adults are trying to have a serious discussion.
Eh??? When did I say I wanted us to leave the Ricoh? It's our home and I want us to stay. In fact, I would boycott any new ground just as I boycotted Sixfields.
Do you agree with he councils action? Sky blue John does.
CCFC/I won't spend too much time on a fruitless discussion with the SBT fundamentalist wing but if you look at all the Higgs case disclosures and the judge's summing up, the deal of £2m to Higgs, take on £14.4m loan, extend to 125-year lease & bring in AEG was the last one put forward. The big disagreement came when Sisu – after due diligence – deemed the Higgs' share worth £2m. That's where the deal breaks down.
Two years later, Higgs & CCC get £2.74m each, the £13.4m loan goes and the lease is 250-years.
Also in those two years we've had a ton of legal, PR & consultant costs – admins, JRs, "media war", "sell to Sisu when hell freezes over", appeals etc. The club played games in Northampton for just over a season. We had a year+ of no major concerts at the Ricoh.
If someone wants to argue that those two years were of any value to the businesses, council tax payers, fans of CCFC or anyone else apart from those highly-paid legal, PR & consultancy people, go for it. The crayons are over there and you can draw your opinions to your heart's content.
And now we've got a franchise club in the city that is going to swamp the one that has existed here since 1874 and it looks highly likely that the football club will have to build a new stadium elsewhere.
We stopped Sisu getting the Ricoh on the cheap by selling it to London Wasps on the even-cheaper.
Great deal all round really.
What exactly do you think will happen after Wasps get there hands on it? Not going to benefit the club is it?
Yes, but to hope another club get it is idiotic. Where do you think that will leave ccfc?
Eh??? When did I say I wanted us to leave the Ricoh? It's our home and I want us to stay. In fact, I would boycott any new ground just as I boycotted Sixfields.
I won't spend too much time on a fruitless discussion with the SBT fundamentalist wing but if you look at all the Higgs case disclosures and the judge's summing up, the deal of £2m to Higgs, take on £14.4m loan, extend to 125-year lease & bring in AEG was the last one put forward. The big disagreement came when Sisu – after due diligence – deemed the Higgs' share worth £2m. That's where the deal breaks down.
Two years later, Higgs & CCC get £2.74m each, the £13.4m loan goes and the lease is 250-years.
Also in those two years we've had a ton of legal, PR & consultant costs – admins, JRs, "media war", "sell to Sisu when hell freezes over", appeals etc. The club played games in Northampton for just over a season. We had a year+ of no major concerts at the Ricoh.
If someone wants to argue that those two years were of any value to the businesses, council tax payers, fans of CCFC or anyone else apart from those highly-paid legal, PR & consultancy people, go for it. The crayons are over there and you can draw your opinions to your heart's content.
And now we've got a franchise club in the city that is going to swamp the one that has existed here since 1874 and it looks highly likely that the football club will have to build a new stadium elsewhere.
We stopped Sisu getting the Ricoh on the cheap by selling it to London Wasps on the even-cheaper.
Great deal all round really.
No, but using his twisted logic it will harm SISU, which can only be good for CCFC. Unbelievable.
You want me to prove that this won't get rid of SISU. You're the one making these ridiculous statements. Surely you should be the one to prove that it WILL get rid of SISU. Moron, go and support someone else ffs.
Yet still support a franchise club? Hypocrite.
It's not unbelievable...SISU are the enemy and we absolutely have to get them out of CCFC
It's not unbelievable...SISU are the enemy and we absolutely have to get them out of CCFC
WHY, BECAUSE i WON'T WANT TO LICK TIM'S BALLS LIKE YOU?
WHY, BECAUSE i WON'T WANT TO LICK TIM'S BALLS LIKE YOU?
What exactly do you think will happen after Wasps get there hands on it? Not going to benefit the club is it?
Guessing ?
Obviously it would be in there interest to keep the club here to maximise their profits.
They would be stupid not to offer the club preferential terms that would make it worthwhile staying.
With both clubs here it effectively cuts costs and these should be passed on proportionally.
I would hope CCC seek these type of assurances now as this is the only time to do it.
Just wait for the details and you might be pleasantly surprised !!!!
I would hope CCC seek these type of assurances now as this is the only time to do it.
Just wait for the details and you might be pleasantly surprised !!!!
At what cost? Tearing down our Club? No thanks, I'd rather have Sisu then no Club at all.
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Guessing ?
Obviously it would be in there interest to keep the club here to maximise their profits.
They would be stupid not to offer the club preferential terms that would make it worthwhile staying.
With both clubs here it effectively cuts costs and these should be passed on proportionally.
I would hope CCC seek these type of assurances now as this is the only time to do it.
Just wait for the details and you might be pleasantly surprised !!!!
I admire your optimism Italia. I just cannot see how this is a good thing for CCFC. That's before we even go down the franchising of a rugby club argument.
We will be forever tenants if it goes through. Terms might be preferential but we will still be giving another business an extra wad of cash in the form of rent. The councillors and MP(s) who condemned relocating the club and now intend to do this to Wasps are doing so for the short sighted aim of bagging some easy cash.
The implications for rugby and football in the city will not be good.
We will always pay rent, even in Sisu's new stadium.
WASPS will be paying rent to CCC (via ACL) for the next 250 years.
WASPS will be paying rent to CCC (via ACL) for the next 250 years.
According to BBC Midlands news, the Wasps consortium are paying £1m for the 250 year lease. They'e taking on the £13.2M loan and paying the council and Higgs Trust around £6m.
You are beyond help.
No, because you like licking the councils arse.
At what cost? Tearing down our Club? No thanks, I'd rather have Sisu then no Club at all.
How will this make them leave??? Surely it will do the opposite??? Who in their right mind will want to buy a 3rd tier club with no assets on a poxy 2/4 year rental deal??
Just like CCFC with SISU in charge
What a splendidly grown-up comment
Disagree. We are predicting the future and my opinion of what will happen is different to yours. Who is right? We will see.
Nobody will want to buy it, but SISU will have to choose between selling for a quid and continuing to pump in millions with no hope of return. So they 'll take the former option.
We will always pay rent, even in Sisu's new stadium.
WASPS will be paying rent to CCC (via ACL) for the next 250 years.
Twenty years
Here's the question going through my mind
Why with this deal in the offing and all the associated furore would you invite the club back
When all you need to do is leave them where they took themselves off to and progress it with the fuss directed the other way
Something isn't straight forward around/about this
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