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Course invaders at today's Grand National. (1 Viewer)

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  • Start date Apr 15, 2023
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oscillatewildly

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  • Apr 15, 2023
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Have they got a valid point? I stopped going to the dogs years ago (only ever an occasional visitor on social occasions) when I learned about the shocking mistreatment of the dogs that just weren't up to it.
Or are they just once a year attention seekers at the biggest racing event of the year?
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 15, 2023
  • #2
Shame they couldn’t get it abandoned - would have been hilarious
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 15, 2023
  • #3
Lots of damaged horses so far. Looked like one wasn’t getting up at the first fence

bit sick really
 

ovduk78

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  • Apr 15, 2023
  • #4
Sky Blue Pete said:
Lots of damaged horses so far. Looked like one wasn’t getting up at the first fence

bit sick really
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But the Jockey club claim that the welfare of the horses is the most important part of horseracing. It is definitely not for the benefit of the betting companies or the local economy in this case. It's not just jumping these fences that is cruel as races like the Derby are also cruel for young horses.
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 15, 2023
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one dead reported and another earlier in the week and one at Leicester

Race Horse Death Watch

www.horsedeathwatch.com
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 15, 2023
  • #6
oscillatewildly said:
Have they got a valid point? I stopped going to the dogs years ago (only ever an occasional visitor on social occasions) when I learned about the shocking mistreatment of the dogs that just weren't up to it.
Or are they just once a year attention seekers at the biggest racing event of the year?
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Well given that another horse has been killed for the sake of people's entertainment I'd say it was justified. As G says a pity they couldn't get it cancelled
 
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SBT

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  • Apr 15, 2023
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oscillatewildly said:
Have they got a valid point? I stopped going to the dogs years ago (only ever an occasional visitor on social occasions) when I learned about the shocking mistreatment of the dogs that just weren't up to it.
Or are they just once a year attention seekers at the biggest racing event of the year?
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The answer to both of your questions is yes.
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 15, 2023
  • #8
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Well given that another horse has been killed for the sake of people's entertainment I'd say it was justified. As G says a pity they couldn't get it cancelled
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It seems so archaic as a sport now somehow
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 15, 2023
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Grendel said:
It seems so archaic as a sport now somehow
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As does polo yet weirdly I don't often hear about horses being killed after a match
 
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oscillatewildly

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  • Apr 15, 2023
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It is without question the most spectacular (equestrian) sporting event although the height of those fences separates it (ethically) from other jump meetings. I know that in recent years calls for a reduction in the height of the fences has been met, begrudgingly I think, with a paltry response of a couple of centimetres, and I don't think that applied to all of the fences.
For those bemoaning the ravages of PC and H&S, I don't think the National will be topping your list.
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 15, 2023
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oscillatewildly said:
It is without question the most spectacular (equestrian) sporting event although the height of those fences separates it (ethically) from other jump meetings. I know that in recent years calls for a reduction in the height of the fences has been met, begrudgingly I think, with a paltry response of a couple of centimetres, and I don't think that applied to all of the fences.
For those bemoaning the ravages of PC and H&S, I don't think the National will be topping your list.
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cheltenham is worse
 
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oscillatewildly

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  • Apr 15, 2023
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Grendel said:
cheltenham is worse
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Is it? Strangely enough I went there for the first time last month. I wouldn't have put it on a par with the Aintree festival.
 

stay_up_skyblues

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  • Apr 15, 2023
  • #13
Never been particulalrly into racing but usually have a go on Cheltenham and the National. Found myself drawn to the falls and inevitable injuries this year rather than the actual race.

All told I think it’s time to do away with it all together now.
 
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stay_up_skyblues

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  • Apr 15, 2023
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I was particularly uneasy with the justification from the toffs during the delay. I.e. the horses a treated like royalty etc. during training. Well done for looking after your animals properly.

Presumably they’d trade living to a ripe old age for dying at 20 as a millionaire.
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 15, 2023
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oscillatewildly said:
Is it? Strangely enough I went there for the first time last month. I wouldn't have put it on a par with the Aintree festival.
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3 every year on average due at the “Festival”
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 15, 2023
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stay_up_skyblues said:
I was particularly uneasy with the justification from the toffs during the delay. I.e. the horses a treated like royalty etc. during training. Well done for looking after your animals properly.

Presumably they’d trade living to a ripe old age for dying at 20 as a millionaire.
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The horses are imprisoned 23 hours a day and treated like shite then when useless to the owner shot dead
 
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stay_up_skyblues

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  • Apr 15, 2023
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Grendel said:
The horses are imprisoned 23 hours a day and treated like shite then when useless to the owner shot dead
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It doesn’t surprise me. And realistically I presume if you have a goldmine of a horse that you “treat like royalty” and spend all that money on the last race you’d put it in is the National. I suspect 80% of the animals run today are the race horse equivalent of cannon fodder. The more I think about it the more it needs knocking on the head.
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 16, 2023
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It seems the horse experts that own these imprisoned animals now blame the protestors for the death on fence one. Well that makes total sense.

Good to see though our underpaid and over stretched police force are able to arrest 118 people - of which it seems only 26 actually at the event - for trying to stop this obscenity
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Apr 16, 2023
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Didn’t someone on here claim horses love horse racing?
 
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clint van damme

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  • Apr 16, 2023
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I actually find it quite cathartic to find out a horse that's lost me money has been destroyed. I'd like to extend it to others that let my bets down like football teams and Boxers.
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 16, 2023
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Sick Boy said:
Didn’t someone on here claim horses love horse racing?
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Grendel

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  • Apr 16, 2023
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The racing mob aren’t happy at all and coming out with all the usual cliches
 

Evo1883

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  • Apr 16, 2023
  • #23
It's a real shame , I can't think of anything other than "sport" where so many deaths of participating animals is considered fine
 
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clint van damme

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  • Apr 16, 2023
  • #24
Read this article on the train on the way down to London yesterday.

Grand National: 'The day I realised everything about horse racing was wrong'

Grand National: 'The day I realised everything about horse racing was wrong'
news.sky.com
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 16, 2023
  • #25
It’s the first year also I think no one has started a thread on here about the race and whose going to win. Hopefully some form of reality is settling in.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Apr 16, 2023
  • #26
Has never sat right with me. I couldn't go to something like that knowing what I was supporting, but as usual the ignorant masses stand there drinking booze and clapping like seals.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Apr 16, 2023
  • #27
What goes massively underreported is the deaths during training. Mainly from pulmonary embolisms. They basically train them within an inch of their lives to sort out the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. A hell of a lot of horses don’t make it to the race track, they either die from the training or get sent to the knackers yard for dog meat when it becomes clear that they won’t come near to being competitive.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Apr 16, 2023
  • #28
I think they have
 

ccfctommy

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  • Apr 16, 2023
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Grendel said:
The horses are imprisoned 23 hours a day and treated like shite then when useless to the owner shot dead
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No they are not. You're talking shite
 

ccfctommy

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  • Apr 16, 2023
  • #30
Horse racing goes on every single day of the year bar Xmas day. Where's the outrage on those days?
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 16, 2023
  • #31
ccfctommy said:
No they are not. You're talking shite
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Yes they are. They are stabled to avoid injury and never can graze freely with other horses in fields - which is all they want in reality
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 16, 2023
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ccfctommy said:
Horse racing goes on every single day of the year bar Xmas day. Where's the outrage on those days?
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I have consistently said I want it banned and I’m glad that awareness is growing regarding this activity
 
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  • Apr 16, 2023
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Grendel said:
It’s the first year also I think no one has started a thread on here about the race and whose going to win. Hopefully some form of reality is settling in.
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It is fair to say this thread is quite a shift from previous years.
 
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Boosh

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  • Apr 17, 2023
  • #34
The sad reality is if a horse falls to their death and a punter had backed them. Said punter is more concerned with their bet than the life of a gorgeous creature created by God.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Apr 17, 2023
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Boosh said:
The sad reality is if a horse falls to their death and a punter had backed them. Said punter is more concerned with their bet than the life of a gorgeous creature created by God.
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While I agree about the thought process I think the gorgeous creature is created by two other horses.
 
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